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Post by movingforward on Aug 15, 2013 14:38:34 GMT -5
I think she meant the new position would be union, so she'd start at the bottom of their scale pay and time off wise, and there isn't much room to negotiate on most union contracts. Which is why unions suck! I can't imagine starting at the bottom of anything just because I changed employers. True. Every time I have left a job it was for something better. Not to start at the bottom. wrongside - have you thought about moving out of academia? I bet you have a lot to offer in the private sector.
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Post by imawino on Aug 15, 2013 15:18:20 GMT -5
I think she meant the new position would be union, so she'd start at the bottom of their scale pay and time off wise, and there isn't much room to negotiate on most union contracts. Which is why unions suck! I can't imagine starting at the bottom of anything just because I changed employers. This really seems to have more to do with the fact that her employer restructured and lowered the pay for all jobs than a broad-stroke "unions suck". I know plenty of people that are union and have changed employers for more money or otherwised improved circumstances. I'm sure some unions DO suck, and so do some non-union employers. I'm going to be a negative Nelly for a second here and say that a flexible part-time job that pays well, with a pension and free college for the kids is probably a pretty tough gig to beat! I do wish you very good luck in your search, but if you think you can change your perspective and suck it up I might advise continuing to do so. Obviously not if it is really becoming damaging to you, but if you are the kind of person who can leave work at work and still be happy at home it might be worth it.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 15, 2013 15:22:34 GMT -5
Which is why unions suck! I can't imagine starting at the bottom of anything just because I changed employers. This really seems to have more to do with the fact that her employer restructured and lowered the pay for all jobs than a broad-stroke "unions suck". I know plenty of people that are union and have changed employers for more money or otherwised improved circumstances. I'm sure some unions DO suck, and so do some non-union employers. I'm going to be a negative Nelly for a second here and say that a flexible part-time job that pays well, with a pension and free college for the kids is probably a pretty tough gig to beat! I do wish you very good luck in your search, but if you think you can change your perspective and suck it up I might advise continuing to do so. Obviously not if it is really becoming damaging to you, but if you are the kind of person who can leave work at work and still be happy at home it might be worth it. I'm going by what dark said and she "yeah that" to it. According to that post, if she takes another job that is union, she starts at the bottom of pay and time off....if that is true, I stand by my "unions suck"..i
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 16, 2013 20:12:44 GMT -5
You work at a university. Can you not transfer departments and get a similar job ?
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 16, 2013 20:25:20 GMT -5
Well, I'm probably a very eclectic person, but in the past three years, we ( I ) had to settle two persons down who were either trying to ruin us or me. One was the Evil Nut Bag that kept suing us, and the other was the coder at my work who used to known as Bitch Pudding. Both were trying their damnest to get rid of or kill our way of life ( as in keeping my sanity on my job ).
Without getting into too much detail, we had to take steps that were outside regular prayer and whatnot, somewhat along the lines of what lonewolf suggested. Both are now settled, and believe me, it took a lot of settling, and some $$, but things are going pretty well now. Sometimes, a very strong person who has been in the habit of intimidating people psychologically can pretty hard to "lay" ( as in a spirit ), and measures have to be repeated. But, it can be done.
Both are still alive and kicking, but are going in a different direction ( as in away ) from us, now.
There is always more than one way to skin a cat.
You can PM me if you want any further info. However, it might be rather unconventional. But, we're both sleeping at night, no one is serving us subpoenas and summons on holidays anymore ( vicious nutbag was doing that ), we are not losing thousands of dollars to defend us against bogus lawsuits, and I still have my job, and am enjoying most of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 20:42:45 GMT -5
NINE years she's been the same (bad) and hasn't improved at all?! Well, sorry to hear that. Doesn't sound like there's much of a possibility of things improving where you are. Unless you can convince her it's time she got a promotion and maybe she'll move on? She knows how good she's got it. She can come in and watch hulu all day if she wants. She'll be here until she dies. I guess you've answered your own question... definitively.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 20:43:54 GMT -5
I am wondering the same as Nazgurl.. Can you just transfer from one department to another?
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 16, 2013 20:44:22 GMT -5
Can you negotiate for better time off at one of the union jobs? Is your Dh making more money now that he's graduated?
The kids free tuition would be a huge plus for me (and one I really, really hope Dh can pull off if he goes into teaching at a community college). So that said, if your finances can swing it I think I'd try for one of the union jobs and hopefully negotiate better time off. But I know very little about unions so maybe that doesn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 20:51:51 GMT -5
Document every lie and theft. Record all calls from her to your home. Make a log of past calls, if possible.
Documentation can be very... expeditious.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 16, 2013 21:02:53 GMT -5
If she gets ugly about the texts, just tell her that you're sorry, but you were out and accidently left your phone at home. Or, that you had put your phone down somewhere and couldn't find it for a couple of days. She'll get the idea eventually.
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Post by resolution on Aug 16, 2013 22:58:32 GMT -5
When my dad used to get calls from the dept of corrections on his day off, he would tell them that he would have loved to come in, but unfortunately he had just had a couple of beers.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 17, 2013 8:11:07 GMT -5
Can you negotiate for better time off at one of the union jobs? Is your Dh making more money now that he's graduated? The kids free tuition would be a huge plus for me (and one I really, really hope Dh can pull off if he goes into teaching at a community college). So that said, if your finances can swing it I think I'd try for one of the union jobs and hopefully negotiate better time off. But I know very little about unions so maybe that doesn't work. There is absolutely no negotiating and zero wiggle room with the union jobs. Everything is set in stone. Dh is making a lot more money now that he has graduated. But that doesn't mean that I want to start working for less. And the limited amount of paid time off would kill me. I've been here for 9 years and I get 5 weeks vacation, 2 weeks sick time, and 2 weeks off at Christmas. It would kill me to start all over and accrue time off at an extremely slow speed. This is my second job that I have been at for almost a decade. I don't want to start from scratch again. I get that and I wouldn't want to walk away from those perks either. Only thing I can think of is figure out every job that is a lateral move and buddy up with them. Let them know that you'd be interested if they ever have an opening, so they are thinking of you before a posting opens up. And I'd definitely ignore her calls and texts on your days off. If she needs an excuse tell her that your phone is off during homeschooling hours.
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Post by kilroy on Aug 17, 2013 8:23:24 GMT -5
I don't have any brilliant advice, but just wanted to say I get it about the benefits, especially the time off. At my old job I had been there longer than anyone in my department & I had 8 weeks PTO, which allowed DH and I to take some great trips and do other things we wanted to do. Then my whole department got downsized & I ended up in a freelance position with no benefits or PTO So I would try to hang on if you possibly can.
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Post by kjto1 on Aug 17, 2013 8:53:22 GMT -5
She was too lazy to look in the obvious place, bothers you on your time off for non-emergency situation, and doesn't like your tone? Good luck on the other position!
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 17, 2013 9:08:38 GMT -5
I retired from a job I liked except for my dept head and the principal. I could deal with that bitch, everyone hated her but her one suck p teacher who never worked anyway but my dept head was ALWAYS there. 6 months later principal from hell was told to retire and dept head was forced to another school. I was an idiot.
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Post by swamp on Aug 17, 2013 9:10:28 GMT -5
Texting has a tone?
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 17, 2013 9:14:38 GMT -5
You bet it does. Especially if you're looking for one.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 17, 2013 9:36:17 GMT -5
I'm going to apply for that one particular job I mentioned at the beginning of the thread and see if that goes anywhere, but other than that I'll just try and hang on. I was on a camping trip last week and she kept texting me asking me non urgent, commonsense stuff that she should know and I think that's what really set me off. Our last text during my trip went something like: Her: Do you know where x item is? Me: If I were there, I would check in the cabinet where it belongs. I'm assuming you checked and it wasn't there? Her: It was there. I don't appreciate your tone. You can imagine what else I wanted to text back, but I left it at that. From now on, I will not reply to any of her texts. She can wait to speak to me on the days that I work. Can you file a complaint with the hr dept about working off the clock, which is technically what that is? It seems like they would have some sort of rules or guidelines for that sort of thing.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 17, 2013 10:22:07 GMT -5
See, this is difference between men and women according to that other thread. A woman will keep working for the shitty boss, and not really look for another position because she needs family friendly hours, while a man would tell the boss to go fuck him/herself, quit, and open a hot dog stand. Men are risk takers like that. Are you suggesting that women are more responsible?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 17, 2013 10:31:55 GMT -5
See, this is difference between men and women according to that other thread. A woman will keep working for the shitty boss, and not really look for another position because she needs family friendly hours, while a man would tell the boss to go fuck him/herself, quit, and open a hot dog stand. Men are risk takers like that. ((Looks down to see if I have a penis)) I won't out up with a complete asshole. One female partner at my old firm was a bitch in wheels. She couldn't criticize my work so she found other ways to pick. One day she came to a client and screamed at me so loudly that the client came running over to see what happened...my major offense was that I set her up at a spot at the table that she didn't like....I quit the next morning. Managing partner called me up and promised me that if I stayed I would never work for her again. I stayed and he held true to his word. See, I don't get that. I've had some shitty bosses, had one screaming at me and all that good stuff - I just never cared enough to be bothered by it. I've never left a job bc of a person, only bc of the job itself. I just can't give one person that much power over me.....especially since they are nobody to me.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 17, 2013 10:33:34 GMT -5
If she gets ugly about the texts, just tell her that you're sorry, but you were out and accidently left your phone at home. Or, that you had put your phone down somewhere and couldn't find it for a couple of days. She'll get the idea eventually. Yes, bc lying always solves all the problems
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 11:06:46 GMT -5
Yes. A guy would have never texted that. A guy would text back "in the cabinet." If they were good friends the text would say "in the cabinet dumbass.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 17, 2013 11:43:35 GMT -5
((Looks down to see if I have a penis)) I won't out up with a complete asshole. One female partner at my old firm was a bitch in wheels. She couldn't criticize my work so she found other ways to pick. One day she came to a client and screamed at me so loudly that the client came running over to see what happened...my major offense was that I set her up at a spot at the table that she didn't like....I quit the next morning. Managing partner called me up and promised me that if I stayed I would never work for her again. I stayed and he held true to his word. See, I don't get that. I've had some shitty bosses, had one screaming at me and all that good stuff - I just never cared enough to be bothered by it. I've never left a job bc of a person, only bc of the job itself. I just can't give one person that much power over me.....especially since they are nobody to me. I refuse to be treated so disrespectfully. I refuse to go to a job knowing that I am going to dread every minute of the day. It is part of my personality, I guess. I will not be bullied. If I screw something, that is one thing. But to just scream at me is not acceptable. Don't get me wrong, if I ever actually needed to work I would never just walk out. I've been fortunate that I've never been in a position where I had to take shit and put up with it.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 17, 2013 12:12:34 GMT -5
I guess if I don't respect you, I really don't give a shit how you feel about me or treat me? It just doesn't seem to matter....
I don't want to get way OT on this thread, but it all comes back to my point that I just can't spend my life paying attention to what people (who don't matter to me) say to me.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 17, 2013 12:31:01 GMT -5
If she gets ugly about the texts, just tell her that you're sorry, but you were out and accidently left your phone at home. Or, that you had put your phone down somewhere and couldn't find it for a couple of days. She'll get the idea eventually. Yes, bc lying always solves all the problems Whoisjohngalt, there are myriads of ways to handle any given situation. Since her boss is a bitch on wheels, being direct with her obviously doesn't work. Lack of response to the texts, plus just giving her a non-direct answer about why the texts weren't answered, will school her boss into realizing that Wrongside is just not interested in engaging in off-hours anymore. Are you so naive' ( which I don' believe ) that you think that misdirection is really a "lie" ? Are you really that much of a Girl Scout ? If you are, I wish you well in your endeavors.
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Post by milee on Aug 17, 2013 12:59:22 GMT -5
No need to lie about the texting off hours.
If someone at work asks why you didn't text or call them back on your day off, just keep a level tone, shrug and say, "Oh, I don't monitor my cell phone on my days off." If possible, just move smoothly on to the next subject at that point.
Hard to argue with for a boss unless your job requires 24 hour response time and you also avoid the issue of having to lie or arguing about it; you're simply stating a fact about how you choose to live on your off time.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 17, 2013 13:50:02 GMT -5
I guess if I don't respect you, I really don't give a shit how you feel about me or treat me? It just doesn't seem to matter.... I don't want to get way OT on this thread, but it all comes back to my point that I just can't spend my life paying attention to what people (who don't matter to me) say to me. I don't have your personality. I will never be ok with someone treating me like shit. I will walk before I out up with that.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 17, 2013 14:46:00 GMT -5
I guess if I don't respect you, I really don't give a shit how you feel about me or treat me? It just doesn't seem to matter.... I don't want to get way OT on this thread, but it all comes back to my point that I just can't spend my life paying attention to what people (who don't matter to me) say to me. I don't have your personality. I will never be ok with someone treating me like shit. I will walk before I out up with that. I think there is a difference between being OK with it and simply not carrying about it. Anyway, I don't know....it just never bothered me how people were at work.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 17, 2013 14:52:09 GMT -5
I don't have your personality. I will never be ok with someone treating me like shit. I will walk before I out up with that. I agree, although I put up with more than I should at times. Someone yelling at you in a work context is just ridiculous. I think it's a bit fatuous to think that just ignoring them is anything less than "taking it". Particularly if someone is senior to you, or your boss - that behavior needs to be stopped. And if you are in a subordinate role, it may be that leaving is your only option. Staying and "taking it" is weak, imo. Being a doormat or whipping boy for others is never a good thing. We aren't talking about idle gossip or peripheral attitudes here - but someone yelling at you. I find it disturbing that anyone would think allowing that to happen and doing nothing about it is a virtue. I think this is the first time in my life that it was said or implied that I am weak. Oh well. Anyone can look at it any way they want it. I never lost any sleep bc my boss was yelling at me. Now, if my DH raised his voice - that would be completely different. Also, I find it interesting that "walking away" is considered good/strong, whatever. If you REALLY don't put up with something, you don't walk away. You stay, address it, change it. Walking out of a job bc someone yelled at you doesn't teach them anything and doesn't make it better for you, in my opinion
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 17, 2013 14:56:00 GMT -5
Yes, bc lying always solves all the problems Whoisjohngalt, there are myriads of ways to handle any given situation. Since her boss is a bitch on wheels, being direct with her obviously doesn't work. Lack of response to the texts, plus just giving her a non-direct answer about why the texts weren't answered, will school her boss into realizing that Wrongside is just not interested in engaging in off-hours anymore. Are you so naive' ( which I don' believe ) that you think that misdirection is really a "lie" ? Are you really that much of a Girl Scout ? If you are, I wish you well in your endeavors. Oh please. What is this? 5th grade and dog ate my homework? Why can't people who are grown ups behave like one? If your job does not require you to be on-call, why can't you say - my job description does not require me to answer texts on Sat. Seriously?? Why do you have to "come up" with an answer? You HAVE an answer and a legitimate one at that. So much drama.....
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