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Post by busymom on Aug 15, 2013 11:39:14 GMT -5
If full time won't work with your homeschool, keep looking. Good luck! I've left a couple of jobs I enjoyed because of totally unreasonable bosses. My Dad used to say it isn't just the cream that rises to the top. So does scum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 11:54:48 GMT -5
Have you tried asking if that position can be part time?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 11:59:43 GMT -5
Well it wouldn't hurt because you are not wanting full time anyway. Maybe they would prefer a PT employee but think they can't find someone that is ok with PT. In any case, I hope it works out for you and you can get away from the evil boss
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 15, 2013 12:03:15 GMT -5
What do other people think of your boss? What does her boss think of her?
The reason I'm asking is I had a really shitty boss once, and I started putting out resumes to try to find another job. I figured if he was good at his job, he would get promoted quickly and I'd get a new boss, but since he sucked at his job, he'd be there forever, and I didn't want to deal with him.
Turns out everyone else hated him, too. So did the other department heads. HR kept getting complaints about him. The final straw was when his had a shrieking fit on his admin person, and she filed a complaint with HR. HR came in and interviewed everyone else that worked with him, and decided what he needed was an 8 week intensive training course in how not to be a dick.
Also, they removed him from his management position and replaced him. When he got back from douche canoe school (which had no affect on him whatsoever) they kept him around for a while in an advisory position, but he wasn't supervising anyone, and when they had a round of downsizing, he was gone in the first pass.
So before I could find another boss, I didn't have to. Is it possible your boss might also be on thin ice?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 15, 2013 12:11:49 GMT -5
See, this is difference between men and women according to that other thread. A woman will keep working for the shitty boss, and not really look for another position because she needs family friendly hours, while a man would tell the boss to go fuck him/herself, quit, and open a hot dog stand. Men are risk takers like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 12:13:33 GMT -5
What do other people think of your boss? What does her boss think of her? The reason I'm asking is I had a really shitty boss once, and I started putting out resumes to try to find another job. I figured if he was good at his job, he would get promoted quickly and I'd get a new boss, but since he sucked at his job, he'd be there forever, and I didn't want to deal with him. Turns out everyone else hated him, too. So did the other department heads. HR kept getting complaints about him. The final straw was when his had a shrieking fit on his admin person, and she filed a complaint with HR. HR came in and interviewed everyone else that worked with him, and decided what he needed was an 8 week intensive training course in how not to be a dick. Also, they removed him from his management position and replaced him. When he got back from douche canoe school (which had no affect on him whatsoever) they kept him around for a while in an advisory position, but he wasn't supervising anyone, and when they had a round of downsizing, he was gone in the first pass. So before I could find another boss, I didn't have to. Is it possible your boss might also be on thin ice? Nope. Our department has complete autonomy. As long as she's not standing out in the hallway holding a human head, she'll get away with whatever she wants. Can you somehow trick her into holding a human head while in the hallway?
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 15, 2013 12:14:44 GMT -5
::Can you somehow trick her into holding a human head while in the hallway?::
Brush up on your photoshop.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 15, 2013 12:16:09 GMT -5
See, this is difference between men and women according to that other thread. A woman will keep working for the shitty boss, and not really look for another position because she needs family friendly hours, while a man would tell the boss to go fuck him/herself, quit, and open a hot dog stand toy store. Men are risk takers like that. Fixed.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 15, 2013 12:31:30 GMT -5
Sorry, should have put a smiley on the end of that. I was joking because it tied in so well with what is being discussed on the other thread.
As to feeling guilty, it's just a job. The business won't be impacted if you leave. They'll put another cog in your place and they'll get along just fine. The people at the top who make the big decisions for the company probably don't even know your name or that you work there. They'd feel guilty for maybe 5 seconds if they had to lay you off, assuming they even knew that you personally were affected by the layoff. It's a mutually beneficial relationship where you trade labor for cash. Either party is free to break it off at any time. They'll find somebody else willing to do the work for the cash.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 15, 2013 12:32:33 GMT -5
See, this is difference between men and women according to that other thread. A woman will keep working for the shitty boss, and not really look for another position because she needs family friendly hours, while a man would tell the boss to go fuck him/herself, quit, and open a hot dog stand. Men are risk takers like that. Yeah, I guess. I even feel guilty for considering leaving an otherwise great job all because of one person. Yes but that one person can make your life a misery. Life is too short to deal with a shitty boss. Keep looking. There's another good job out there that doesn't involve a crappy boss.
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Post by Jaguar on Aug 15, 2013 12:40:46 GMT -5
The mental and spiritual sacrifice that your making will reverberate back onto you in major health issues. Seriously how will that not affect your family ?
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 15, 2013 12:42:04 GMT -5
::I feel guilty for the ramifications it will have on my family. I don't care about the company.
I"m paid well, will receive a pension, kids can go to college for free, flexible schedule. It feels petty to leave because I don't like my boss.::
Think of it this way. You can not like your boss and still be very happy at work (for example, maybe your boss is a complete asshole that you hate, but who seldomly interacts with you). You don't want to leave because you dont' like your boss, that WOULD be kind of petty. You want to leave because you are unhappy at your job. That's not petty.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 15, 2013 12:47:42 GMT -5
If the perks are worth keeping, you might want to consider learning to like the boss, or at least manipulate him/her into being easier to deal with. Hold your nose and become friends with them outside the workplace. A few trips to the bar, maybe a double dinner date with the spouses, and then the boss starts thinking of you as a friend and treating you better at work, or at least less worse. You might spend the whole time thinking they're a total reptile in your head, but if it fixes or greatly reduces the one thing you don't like about your job, it could be worth the effort. Supervisors are human like anyone else, they're bound to treat their friends differently than they treat other employees, even if they consciously try not to.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 15, 2013 12:54:58 GMT -5
While it does sound like you have good benefits with your current job, if it is affecting your health (either mental, physical, or both) I'd continue to work on the exit plan. My concern is how do you know you won't end up with the same thing (or worse) at a new job? Hard to tell when you're interviewing because everyone is on their best behavior. It's a gamble, that's for sure.
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Post by gooddecisions on Aug 15, 2013 12:58:25 GMT -5
I bet you anything you can find good (maybe not the same) perks at a new job without the same stresses of a bad boss. Employees site horrible bosses as one of the top 3 reasons they are dissatisfied and leave jobs. Anyone in a management position should be aware of it and work on their issues to not be part of the problem.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 15, 2013 12:58:34 GMT -5
NINE years she's been the same (bad) and hasn't improved at all?! Well, sorry to hear that. Doesn't sound like there's much of a possibility of things improving where you are. Unless you can convince her it's time she got a promotion and maybe she'll move on?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 15, 2013 13:07:59 GMT -5
One of the only pieces of good advice I ever got from my biological father is this; everyone likes to have their ass kissed, but everyone likes it done in a different way. An employees job is to figure out how their particular boss likes to have his ass kissed, and then do it better than everyone else he works with. Some bosses like the obvious ass kissing, the yes men, the sycophants, etc. Some like super efficient employees that are good at getting all their work done with minimal supervision and taking the occasional thing off the bosses plate. Some like the best friend approach, and what you do outside of work counts for more than what happens at work. Employees have their preference of which type of boss they'd rather work for, but the system doesn't work that way. You're stuck with the boss you have, so you have to be a chameleon, learn to ferret out how your particular boss likes to have his ass kissed and start doing that.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Aug 15, 2013 13:12:23 GMT -5
LOL at "Unless she is holding a human head..." Screw photo shopping. Time to go visit the morgue! Those are some great perks you have. Are you always this miserable or are you just having a really bad day? Because those will happen any where you go. If it's all the time and it's stressing you out or making you miserable it's time to have a chat with her or may you can go above her head while looking elsewhere. If nothing changes that will give you the incentive to get out of there. Sorry you are dealing with an ass. Nothing ruins a situation quicker than an ass especially when you are stuck in an office environment for hours with said ass.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 15, 2013 13:13:18 GMT -5
NINE years she's been the same (bad) and hasn't improved at all?! Well, sorry to hear that. Doesn't sound like there's much of a possibility of things improving where you are. Unless you can convince her it's time she got a promotion and maybe she'll move on? She knows how good she's got it. She can come in and watch hulu all day if she wants. She'll be here until she dies. Ah, gotcha. That's exactly what DH was dealing with at his job. He knew he'd never get anywhere because his boss had it made and she wasn't budging! Some people can just deal with it and myabe use some of the suggestions dark mentioned, but others cannot and that's ok, too. DH was in a soul-sucking place, took an early retirement and has a part-time job in a completely different field. Most people were shocked and couldn't believe what he gave up by retiring early, but as you now know personally, they can't possibly understand what a negative place you're stuck in. Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 13:22:13 GMT -5
Why do you think your pay will automatically go down if you move? If people are courting you, they might work with you.
In teaching, for instance, the pay scale moves up steps and across educational levels predictably, but I knew teachers say with 6 years of experience, whose prior income was higher than the new I strict step 7, so they negotiate to start at step 9...
Also to consider... What does it do to your family to have you unhappy?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 15, 2013 13:22:23 GMT -5
See, this is difference between men and women according to that other thread. A woman will keep working for the shitty boss, and not really look for another position because she needs family friendly hours, while a man would tell the boss to go fuck him/herself, quit, and open a hot dog stand. Men are risk takers like that. ((Looks down to see if I have a penis)) I won't out up with a complete asshole. One female partner at my old firm was a bitch in wheels. She couldn't criticize my work so she found other ways to pick. One day she came to a client and screamed at me so loudly that the client came running over to see what happened...my major offense was that I set her up at a spot at the table that she didn't like....I quit the next morning. Managing partner called me up and promised me that if I stayed I would never work for her again. I stayed and he held true to his word.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 13:29:19 GMT -5
The nonunion jobs pay more than the union jobs there?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 15, 2013 13:47:11 GMT -5
Why do you think your pay will automatically go down if you move? If people are courting you, they might work with you. In teaching, for instance, the pay scale moves up steps and across educational levels predictably, but I knew teachers say with 6 years of experience, whose prior income was higher than the new I strict step 7, so they negotiate to start at step 9... Also to consider... What does it do to your family to have you unhappy? Most of the jobs here are union jobs and there is no wiggle room at all. I would lose all of my seniority and my pay would be cut. My current position is non union and those are rare here. If you are non-union, what does seniority have to do with anything?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 13:48:57 GMT -5
It does make sense. Do you know for sure that you would have to start as a new hire? There is no way to enter at a higher step?
i mean, the teaching jobs I was talking about were union too... There was no wiggle room in how you progressed through the steps, but if you could negotiate where you were brought in at o some degree.
I just wanted to be sure you researched, and weren't just assuming.
If it is so, then the sooner you switch the better, I guess....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 14:01:11 GMT -5
See, this is difference between men and women according to that other thread. A woman will keep working for the shitty boss, and not really look for another position because she needs family friendly hours, while a man would tell the boss to go fuck him/herself, quit, and open a hot dog stand. Men are risk takers like that. ((Looks down to see if I have a penis)) I won't out up with a complete asshole. One female partner at my old firm was a bitch in wheels. She couldn't criticize my work so she found other ways to pick. One day she came to a client and screamed at me so loudly that the client came running over to see what happened...my major offense was that I set her up at a spot at the table that she didn't like....I quit the next morning. Managing partner called me up and promised me that if I stayed I would never work for her again. I stayed and he held true to his word. you don't have to look down, you know you have one
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 15, 2013 14:25:41 GMT -5
If you are non-union, what does seniority have to do with anything? That determines the amount of paid time off. That is negotiable for a non-union position. I was offered my current job but the vacation days were way below what I was getting. I negotiated up to where I was.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 15, 2013 14:27:08 GMT -5
I think she meant the new position would be union, so she'd start at the bottom of their scale pay and time off wise, and there isn't much room to negotiate on most union contracts.
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Post by Bob Ross on Aug 15, 2013 14:28:17 GMT -5
Do you want the woman answer or the man answer? Woman answer: Finagle a way to quit and become a SAH-whatever, putting all of the financial responsibility on DH. Man answer: Suck it up until retirement or death, whichever comes first.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 15, 2013 14:35:23 GMT -5
I think she meant the new position would be union, so she'd start at the bottom of their scale pay and time off wise, and there isn't much room to negotiate on most union contracts. Which is why unions suck! I can't imagine starting at the bottom of anything just because I changed employers.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 15, 2013 14:36:48 GMT -5
Word!
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