FL bus. owner amasses arsenal, targets family, Obama

[EVT1]

Just another responsible gun owner

     Employees said they saw a large amount of guns, ammunition and bomb-making materials in Simione's house, including threaded galvanized metal pipes, threaded pipe caps, nails, gun powder, propane cylinders, wire and batteries, Hurley said.  Simione had .50-caliber sniper rifles, automatic rifles and illegal ammunition including armor-piercing rounds, Hurley said.

     According to the Broward Sheriff's Office, 68 rifles, shotguns and handguns were found in Simione's house, along with between 60,000-70,000 rounds of ammunition.

     He described Simione – who lives in Dania Beach and is the owner of Bulldog Tactical Equipment in Fort Lauderdale – as a survivalist who stores food in case there's a natural disaster or the U.S. government collapses.

     “He’s made statements to me and his employees about how unhappy he is with government policy, specifically the president," said Libman, of BSO's Violent Crimes Unit.

     "The employees said you repeatedly have threatened the President of the United States, saying that he should be murdered," Hurley said

     Workers fortified Simione's home "in lieu of a SWAT or a law enforcement assault," Libman said. He described one room as "a last stand room."

     The back of the door was a silhouette of an average-sized person that would be on the outside of the door with X’s marked where to shoot at to make sure to hit a vital organ. He basically set up kill zones in his house for an assault," Libman said. "The walls were refortified, the windows were barred. It would be a nightmarish tactical situation if anybody had to actually go in there."

No way this guy should get bail

www.nbcmiami.com/news/South-Florida-Business-Owner-Accused-of-Trying-to-Have-Family-Killed-Threatening-President-Ordered-Held-on-5-Million-Bond-219438711.html

[Shooby]

  I am a gun owner and there are lots of gun owners in my area.  I think owning guns should be absolutely protected.  But, i also know a few who are obsessed with guns and have tons of guns.  I mean, how many can you really use?

[billisonboard]

I think that the "fortunate" thing in this situation is that this man who is apparently losing touch with sanity attempted to solicit someone to kill rather than to just use the weapons that he apparently had within reach thus giving the opportunity for action by authorities.  I do find it interesting, from a psychological perspective, that he chose to do that.

[workpublic]

i think we should take all the guns away from everyone except the govt. cause they'll protect us and look out for us. and it's ignorant or insane to think otherwise.

[EVT1]

I think it is fortunate as well he tried to hire a hit-man- a 'job creator' to the end.    Could have been much worse.

[zibazinski]

Yeah, like he might have succeeded. 

[billisonboard]

Aug 14, 2013 17:28:35 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Yeah, like he might have succeeded. 

Like he might have succeeded doing what?

[zibazinski]

Since the premise was that he was after Obama, that he would have succeeded. If you are willing to die to take someone out, there are times when you might be successful.

[billisonboard]

Aug 14, 2013 18:52:09 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Since the premise was that he was after Obama, that he would have succeeded. If you are willing to die to take someone out, there are times when you might be successful.

One piece of the situation involved the President. You post wasn't clear that it was that one piece you were addressing.

A South Florida business owner accused of trying to hire a hitman to kill family members including his wife and young child, stockpiling guns and bomb-making materials and threatening the life of President Barack Obama was ordered held on $5 million bond Tuesday. (from the link in the OP)

[zibazinski]

Sorry.

[billisonboard]

Aug 14, 2013 17:28:35 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Yeah, like he might have succeeded. 

Aug 14, 2013 18:52:09 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Since the premise was that he was after Obama, that he would have succeeded. If you are willing to die to take someone out, there are times when you might be successful.

Some things are still a mystery to me while others are much too clear.

Jimmy Buffett

[zibazinski]

I read the article to think he was after Obama which is why others got involved. 

[EVT1]

I was more worried about his family and the police- and anyone else he knows or lives around.  A domestic terrorist in the making.

[zibazinski]

Well, other than barricading her house, my 78 year old aunt does the same thing.

[billisonboard]

Aug 14, 2013 19:33:41 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Well, other than barricading her house, my 78 year old aunt does the same thing.

... “inquire(s) to have a person come up from El Salvador, specifically a MS-13 gang member, and offer(s) to pay up to $150,000 to dispose of (her) wife, mother-in-law and brother-in-law, and child, if (she does)not receive custody of the child," ... (from the link in the OP)

That is one senile old lady you got for an aunt.

[zibazinski]

She's a bit worried about the zombie eclipse, I think.

[AGB]

Aug 14, 2013 8:31:35 GMT -5 Shooby said:

  I am a gun owner and there are lots of gun owners in my area.  I think owning guns should be absolutely protected.  But, i also know a few who are obsessed with guns and have tons of guns.  I mean, how many can you really use?

I would not be upset if that was my basement...

Calling this guy "just another responsible gun owner" is about as accurate as calling him just another responsible father.

[zibazinski]

Holy crap! That's amazing.

[Sum Dum Gai]

Sweet, he's got a flamethrower!!!  Always wanted to use one of those.

[Virgil Showlion]

Reminds me of 'Tremors'.

[Sum Dum Gai]

That's an even more impressive collection than the survivalists from Tremors, which is saying something.

Although I don't see an elephant gun in there.  He should get one of those.

[Virgil Showlion]

irony [ahy-ruh-nee] (n.) - a man in possession of 70,000 rounds of ammunition and more weapons than the combined population of Switzerland soliciting a hit man to execute his family.

[zibazinski]

  

[zibazinski]

Btw, my aunt isn't senile in the least but I think she worries a bit too much about something going very wrong. Maybe she is right and I am wrong. Only time will tell.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 14, 2013 7:29:06 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Just another responsible gun owner

     Employees said they saw a large amount of guns, ammunition and bomb-making materials in Simione's house, including threaded galvanized metal pipes, threaded pipe caps, nails, gun powder, propane cylinders, wire and batteries, Hurley said.  Simione had .50-caliber sniper rifles, automatic rifles and illegal ammunition including armor-piercing rounds, Hurley said.

     According to the Broward Sheriff's Office, 68 rifles, shotguns and handguns were found in Simione's house, along with between 60,000-70,000 rounds of ammunition.

     He described Simione – who lives in Dania Beach and is the owner of Bulldog Tactical Equipment in Fort Lauderdale – as a survivalist who stores food in case there's a natural disaster or the U.S. government collapses.

     “He’s made statements to me and his employees about how unhappy he is with government policy, specifically the president," said Libman, of BSO's Violent Crimes Unit.

     "The employees said you repeatedly have threatened the President of the United States, saying that he should be murdered," Hurley said

     Workers fortified Simione's home "in lieu of a SWAT or a law enforcement assault," Libman said. He described one room as "a last stand room."

     The back of the door was a silhouette of an average-sized person that would be on the outside of the door with X’s marked where to shoot at to make sure to hit a vital organ. He basically set up kill zones in his house for an assault," Libman said. "The walls were refortified, the windows were barred. It would be a nightmarish tactical situation if anybody had to actually go in there."

No way this guy should get bail

www.nbcmiami.com/news/South-Florida-Business-Owner-Accused-of-Trying-to-Have-Family-Killed-Threatening-President-Ordered-Held-on-5-Million-Bond-219438711.html

Oh, my! One guy might cause trouble, so let's give guns to Mexican drug cartels and ban them for all Americans!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 14, 2013 20:07:45 GMT -5 AGB said:

Aug 14, 2013 8:31:35 GMT -5 Shooby said:

  I am a gun owner and there are lots of gun owners in my area.  I think owning guns should be absolutely protected.  But, i also know a few who are obsessed with guns and have tons of guns.  I mean, how many can you really use?

I would not be upset if that was my basement...

Calling this guy "just another responsible gun owner" is about as accurate as calling him just another responsible father.

This is spectacular.  I love it.  

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 14, 2013 8:40:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think that the "fortunate" thing in this situation is that this man who is apparently losing touch with sanity attempted to solicit someone to kill rather than to just use the weapons that he apparently had within reach thus giving the opportunity for action by authorities.  I do find it interesting, from a psychological perspective, that he chose to do that.

Well, the fact that he didn't use his own guns, and that we only have accusations of what he solicited others to do, and/or what he may have said is at least one reason to be skeptical of at least some of the charges- or aspects of the charges.  

[mmhmm]

Aug 15, 2013 12:22:26 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 14, 2013 7:29:06 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Just another responsible gun owner

     Employees said they saw a large amount of guns, ammunition and bomb-making materials in Simione's house, including threaded galvanized metal pipes, threaded pipe caps, nails, gun powder, propane cylinders, wire and batteries, Hurley said.  Simione had .50-caliber sniper rifles, automatic rifles and illegal ammunition including armor-piercing rounds, Hurley said.

     According to the Broward Sheriff's Office, 68 rifles, shotguns and handguns were found in Simione's house, along with between 60,000-70,000 rounds of ammunition.

     He described Simione – who lives in Dania Beach and is the owner of Bulldog Tactical Equipment in Fort Lauderdale – as a survivalist who stores food in case there's a natural disaster or the U.S. government collapses.

     “He’s made statements to me and his employees about how unhappy he is with government policy, specifically the president," said Libman, of BSO's Violent Crimes Unit.

     "The employees said you repeatedly have threatened the President of the United States, saying that he should be murdered," Hurley said

     Workers fortified Simione's home "in lieu of a SWAT or a law enforcement assault," Libman said. He described one room as "a last stand room."

     The back of the door was a silhouette of an average-sized person that would be on the outside of the door with X’s marked where to shoot at to make sure to hit a vital organ. He basically set up kill zones in his house for an assault," Libman said. "The walls were refortified, the windows were barred. It would be a nightmarish tactical situation if anybody had to actually go in there."

No way this guy should get bail

www.nbcmiami.com/news/South-Florida-Business-Owner-Accused-of-Trying-to-Have-Family-Killed-Threatening-President-Ordered-Held-on-5-Million-Bond-219438711.html

Oh, my! One guy might cause trouble, so let's give guns to Mexican drug cartels and ban them for all Americans!

Umm, paul ... who has advocated giving guns to Mexican drug cartels?   That's right - nobody has!  Your points would be much better made without the hyperbole.  Trust me on that.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 15, 2013 12:37:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Aug 15, 2013 12:22:26 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oh, my! One guy might cause trouble, so let's give guns to Mexican drug cartels and ban them for all Americans!

Umm, paul ... who has advocated giving guns to Mexican drug cartels?   That's right - nobody has!  Your points would be much better made without the hyperbole.  Trust me on that.

Obama & Eric Holder- only you're right.  They didn't "advocate" for it- they just did it.  And hundreds of people are dead as a result- many of them school children.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/15/more-fast-furious-guns-found-mexico-crime-scenes/

Three more weapons that were part of the Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious have been discovered at crime sites in Mexico, federal documents confirm.
Fox News reported that the guns were tracked down and recovered. Justice Department documents described the weapons as WASR-10 .762 caliber Romanian rifles. The three weapons were tracked back to a gun store located in Glendale, Ariz., Fox News said.

[mmhmm]

Aug 15, 2013 12:40:51 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 15, 2013 12:37:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Umm, paul ... who has advocated giving guns to Mexican drug cartels?   That's right - nobody has!  Your points would be much better made without the hyperbole.  Trust me on that.

Obama & Eric Holder- only you're right.  They didn't "advocate" for it- they just did it.  And hundreds of people are dead as a result- many of them school children.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/15/more-fast-furious-guns-found-mexico-crime-scenes/

Three more weapons that were part of the Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious have been discovered at crime sites in Mexico, federal documents confirm.
Fox News reported that the guns were tracked down and recovered. Justice Department documents described the weapons as WASR-10 .762 caliber Romanian rifles. The three weapons were tracked back to a gun store located in Glendale, Ariz., Fox News said.

What does that have to do with the quote of a poster here you used in your post, paul?  What does it have to do with anyone here?  Nothing, that's what.