FL in the news again- felony charge for teen over sex photo

[EVT1]

www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/teen-girl-arrested-for-child-porn-675432

     JULY 2--A 15-year-old Florida girl was arrested yesterday on a child pornography charge for allegedly showing several classmates a photo on her iPhone depicting “two juveniles engaged in oral sex,”

     The girl admitted to “taking the pornographic photo,” according to a complaint affidavit filed by the Pasco County Sheriff’s Office. The document, sworn by a detective, does not identify the juveniles in the photo, though a sheriff’s spokesperson said that the teen herself is one of the minors depicted


Once again the great state of FL sets out to ruin the life of some HS kid that had some sex.  Going straight for the felony. 

[mmhmm]

This article in the Tampa Bay Times seems to have more detail on this incident, evt:

Times Article

[EVT1]

That makes a little more sense why- except for the felony charge/life stigma as a sex offender.  I wonder if they plan on finding out which kids were in the photo and charging them with sexual battery- or is it only in cases when one turns 18 or pisses off the parents like the other case.

FL laws need some work.

[cme1201]

Jul 8, 2013 0:49:53 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Both are minors in the photo, no sexual battery charges.

The other case was shown both sides and neither one was about "pissed off the parents like the other case."

You defend a girl who violated her friends Trust because she was mad at them, and bash our laws that defend the ones in the picture of having themselves displayed, why?

[fairlycrazy23]

Jul 7, 2013 21:29:16 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/teen-girl-arrested-for-child-porn-675432

     JULY 2--A 15-year-old Florida girl was arrested yesterday on a child pornography charge for allegedly showing several classmates a photo on her iPhone depicting “two juveniles engaged in oral sex,”

     The girl admitted to “taking the pornographic photo,” according to a complaint affidavit filed by the Pasco County Sheriff’s Office. The document, sworn by a detective, does not identify the juveniles in the photo, though a sheriff’s spokesperson said that the teen herself is one of the minors depicted


Once again the great state of FL sets out to ruin the life of some HS kid that had some sex.  Going straight for the felony. 

Bunch of prudes!

[zibazinski]

Someone really has it in for Florida.  So glad he doesn't live there, makes it easier to bash it.

[EVT1]

They were responsible for Bush

No their laws are effed- and it seems every time I read about some wacky case it is in FL.- and it is a felony for minors under 16 to have sex in FL BTW- same law in the other case.

I just don't get charging a HS kid with a felony and sticking them on the sex offender registry for stupid HS shit.  Everyone involved was stupid- not defending their actions at all.


I am in FL a lot though- going to be sure I am armed too- never can tell when I might piss off someone in line for a pizza and get shot at.

usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/19/16026752-florida-man-invokes-stand-your-ground-law-over-pizza-argument-shooting?lite

Bunch of nuts down there.  Governor, legislature, judicial system- all populated by nut bars.  America's wang- need I say more. 

[cme1201]

evt1 said: .- and it is a felony for minors under 16 to have sex in FL BTW- same law in the other case.

Where do you find that? It was a felony for an 18yo to have sex with a 14yo, the 14yo wasn't charged.

You say a lot of BS but, this takes the cake. I posted the law multiple times, because you choose not to read them doesn't mean you can make them say what you want.

This case is about Sexting and Child pornography, possession of pictures of children under 18 is a felony especially if you are going to use them as revenge to get back at your ex-friends. 

[zibazinski]

He likes to just bash Florida. Frankly, a girl brought up so poorly has bigger issues than dirty phone pictures.

[EVT1]

Jul 9, 2013 12:16:35 GMT -5 cme1201 said:

evt1 said: .- and it is a felony for minors under 16 to have sex in FL BTW- same law in the other case.

Where do you find that? It was a felony for an 18yo to have sex with a 14yo, the 14yo wasn't charged.

You say a lot of BS but, this takes the cake. I posted the law multiple times, because you choose not to read them doesn't mean you can make them say what you want.

This case is about Sexting and Child pornography, possession of pictures of children under 18 is a felony especially if you are going to use them as revenge to get back at your ex-friends. 

Respectfully, you are wrong.

800.04

(4) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY.—A person who:
(a) Engages in sexual activity with a person 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age....
commits lewd or lascivious battery, a felony of the second degree

Questions?

By FL law a 15yo couple can both be charged with felonies if caught having sex with each other- the law was meant to go after older creeps but there is no qualifier for age.  As I said- FL law is effed.

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She was showing this picture with the intent to cause harm to her "friends". I'd say the law is applied well in this case. She was exploiting the other kids. The first article said she was one of the people in the picture. The second article said it was 2 other kids. She was passing out a porn picture she took of 2 other kids to cause them humiliation and embarrassment. That warrants the charges as far as I'm concerned.

[zibazinski]

Ooh, but you can't be on the BASH FLORIDA club if you feel that way!

[billisonboard]

Jul 10, 2013 7:48:16 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

... She was passing out a porn picture she took of 2 other kids to cause them humiliation and embarrassment. ...

Was it porn?

Pornography, or porn, refers to sexually explicit material intended to sexually arouse. www.psychologytoday.com/basics/pornography‎

If it was distributed for the purpose of humiliation and embarrassment, then it wasn't porn.

Concerning the couple pictured, giving/receiving oral sex with a third person present to take a picture indicates a fairly high bar for being humiliated and embarrassed. 

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Concerning the couple pictured, giving/receiving oral sex with a third person present to take a picture indicates a fairly high bar for being humiliated and embarrassed.

Ya, I thought about that too. But the articles were pretty clear that showing the pics around was an act of vengance so it fits. Seriously, this girl strikes me as the predatory type, taking advantage of kids that aren't too bright and then distributing the photos. It doesn't bother me at all that she will be on the registry. There are times the laws seem to be misused, but I don't think this is one of them.

[Deleted]

Was it porn?
Pornography, or porn, refers to sexually explicit material intended to sexually arouse. www.psychologytoday.com/basics/pornography‎

If it was distributed for the purpose of humiliation and embarrassment, then it wasn't porn.

One does not preclude the other.

[billisonboard]

Jul 10, 2013 9:25:00 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

... showing the pics around was an act of vengance so it fits. ...

So the proper punishment for acts of vengeance is to find the person guilty of a sexual felony and to place the person on the sex offender list for life?

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Jul 10, 2013 9:49:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 10, 2013 9:25:00 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

... showing the pics around was an act of vengance so it fits. ...

So the proper punishment for acts of vengeance is to find the person guilty of a sexual felony and to place the person on the sex offender list for life?

In this case I would say yes. If the act of vengance was to attempt to kill them they would be convicted and have a record, beating them up would be assault. If they stole property they would have a record as a thief. We don't have a criminal category "act of vengance". We always punish the form it takes.

[zibazinski]

Acts of vengeance have consequences. Years ago, someone hit my car. Gave out fake info but was dumb enough to actually give me his DL to look at. I have a very good memory, something he didn't count on. He then refused to pay for the damage so bunch of us went to his home, cut his phone lines, and big time damaged his home. To the tune of a lot more than what he damaged my car. We had exchanged phone numbers, he wasn't smart enough to lie about that because I had called him several times about paying up. Of course he called the cops on me and the cops made a lot of threats including arrest but they had no proof either so it dropped. But it could have easily gone the other way and I could have been guilty of something that would have damaged me forever.

[EVT1]

Jul 10, 2013 9:55:21 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

Jul 10, 2013 9:49:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

So the proper punishment for acts of vengeance is to find the person guilty of a sexual felony and to place the person on the sex offender list for life?

In this case I would say yes. If the act of vengance was to attempt to kill them they would be convicted and have a record, beating them up would be assault. If they stole property they would have a record as a thief. We don't have a criminal category "act of vengance". We always punish the form it takes.

Spoken like a FL legislator.  She will have great company with the child molesters.  Guess we can roll out the welfare too since no one is ever going to hire her.  Life ruined, no one in FL cares.

Hopefully they will let her plead to a misdemeanor and avoid the registry- but judging by what that shitbag prosecutor did in the other case I'm not going to hold my breath.

[billisonboard]

Jul 10, 2013 9:55:43 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Acts of vengeance have consequences. ... they had no proof either so it dropped. But it could have easily gone the other way and I could have been guilty of something that would have damaged me forever.

So the consequence for your act of vengeance was ...?

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evt

what sexual crimes by minors do you consider serious?

just because they are a teenager, they get a slap on the wrist?

or what would you consider to be FAIR punishment for her crime....or do you think she committed a crime?

[zibazinski]

Not thinking about how much trouble I could have gotten in. He could have had a gun. He lived in the boonies and usually those that do have protection. I could have gotten charged if they'd have had any evidence and it would have ruined any career thoughts I might have had. I haven't just thought about that forty years later. I thought about it when the cops showed up to my dorm room. That was fun. 

[billisonboard]

Jul 10, 2013 14:05:36 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Not thinking about how much trouble I could have gotten in. He could have had a gun. He lived in the boonies and usually those that do have protection. I could have gotten charged if they'd have had any evidence and it would have ruined any career thoughts I might have had. I haven't just thought about that forty years later. I thought about it when the cops showed up to my dorm room. That was fun. 

Is this the answer to my question of what was the consequence of your act of vengeance - "not thinking about home much trouble (you) could have gotten into"? Maybe the 15 year old should have the same consequence. Or is your consequence "could have". Maybe that is the proper consequence for this gal.

Or is reality that sometimes acts of vengeance have consequences and sometimes they actually don't have them?

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Jul 10, 2013 14:18:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Is this the answer to my question of what was the consequence of your act of vengeance - "not thinking about home much trouble (you) could have gotten into"? Maybe the 15 year old should have the same consequence. Or is your consequence "could have". Maybe that is the proper consequence for this gal.

Or is reality that sometimes acts of vengeance have consequences and sometimes they actually don't have them?

There's a big difference in situations here: In zib's case....the police had no "PROOF". In this case....there is "PROOF".

Suspecting something and knowing for a fact are two completely different things.

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I keep getting stuck on the fact that they were preforming oral sex in front of her, let alone letting her take a picture of them. HUGE ick factor. They all creep me out to be honest with you.

[zibazinski]

  So true. But kids don't seem to have any sense of long term consequences or even short term ones.

[zibazinski]

If they were two, I'd get it but they are old enough to know better and still act like idiots. 

[Tennesseer]

Jul 10, 2013 15:49:45 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

  So true. But kids don't seem to have any sense of long term consequences or even short term ones.

In the minds of teens, oral sex isn't really sex.  You can't get pregnant from oral sex.

[billisonboard]

Jul 10, 2013 14:36:07 GMT -5 @financialtexan said:

Jul 10, 2013 14:18:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Is this the answer to my question of what was the consequence of your act of vengeance - "not thinking about home much trouble (you) could have gotten into"? Maybe the 15 year old should have the same consequence. Or is your consequence "could have". Maybe that is the proper consequence for this gal. Or is reality that sometimes acts of vengeance have consequences and sometimes they actually don't have them?

There's a big difference in situations here: In zib's case....the police had no "PROOF". In this case....there is "PROOF".Suspecting something and knowing for a fact are two completely different things.

In Reply #17,Zib declared that "(a)cts of vengeance have consequences."  Zib then goes on to tell a story about an act of vengeance which appears to not have resulted in a consequence.  I was just pointing out that simple discrepancy between the declaration and the rest of the paragraph.  Reality is that consequence does not follow act of vengeance in all cases.  Besides, there are certainly plenty of consequences which are not legal consequences. The young lady in the OP very easily could face some of those without the need to bring the legal system into play. 
and btw, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOUT THAT IT IS "PROOF".

[zibazinski]

But there was no proof in my case which is why I was VERY lucky and got away with it. There is proof in her case and she isn't going to get away with it. I hope the parents of the kids sue her butt as well. Parents of all of these kids need to get a grip on their kids. Yes, I know that oral sex isn't considered sex by these kids. Cripe, it isn't just the kids who think that. Our illustrious former president and husband of a future candidate thinks the same way.