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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:12:28 GMT -5
Serious question........... How do gangbangers dress?
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:13:37 GMT -5
All the teens here dress like thugs, even though they're white.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:15:07 GMT -5
Serious question........... How do gangbangers dress? Saggy ass pants, hoodies, and ball caps.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:15:37 GMT -5
Pants sagging, oversized plain white T-shirt, nice sneakers (Jordans?)... Possibly a baseball cap with unbent brim.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:15:59 GMT -5
If the defense could prove his case that he was in danger. Considering he didn't have a mark on him and Zimmerman was beat to a pulp, that might be hard to prove. Then again, OJ and Casey Anthony were both found not guilty so anything can happen Zimmerman got hit, but I don't know about "to a pulp" it looks like Martin got in 1 or 2 good shots when he had Zimmerman pinned. He got his nose broke, and the cut on his head is pretty common when you get hit when you're down. For all we know, Martin was about to let him up. Maybe he was going fir more. We just don't know That is the point...we will never know, yet a large majority of people have convicted Zimmerman. Maybe he was profiling, maybe not. We will never know. I do find it funny that one minority is accused of profiling another minority.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:18:04 GMT -5
All the teens here dress like thugs, even though they're white. And I would be just as suspicious of the white gangbangers. I don't stereotype based in race. I stereotype based in how a person looks. Like I have said, we have had an increase in gang activity and I'm sick of it and think all citizens in my area should band together and take our neighborhoods back. I can see where Zimmerman is coming from.
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Post by atlast30 on Jul 14, 2013 9:18:11 GMT -5
Pink, I'm with Jenny...I have the same fear, as well.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:24:14 GMT -5
All the teens here dress like thugs, even though they're white. And I would be just as suspicious of the white gangbangers. I don't stereotype based in race. I stereotype based in how a person looks. Like I have said, we have had an increase in gang activity and I'm sick of it and think all citizens in my area should band together and take our neighborhoods back. I can see where Zimmerman is coming from. I can see where he's coming from too. But just because I want to do something doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:26:45 GMT -5
That statement says to me that Martin deserved to get shot because he was walking at night in a hoodie. I guess the same point that you deserve to get raped when wearing a short skirt. It sucks that all I have to tell my white kid is that sagging his pants makes him look like an idiot. But my friends with black kids have to teach them that sagging thei pants could get them shot and killed. I never said he deserved to get shot. But I can understand why Zimmerman thought he was suspicious looking. It wasn't just that he had on a hoodie. He wasn't from the neighborhood, he was walking in the rain and acting suspicious....this in a neighborhood that has bad an increase in burglaries. And I tell my white daughter all the time that she can't wear hoochie momma clothes because people do judge based on what you were and how you act. And that pretty young girls should have enough self esteem that they shouldn't have to dress like ho's to attract attention. I won't buy her whorish clothes, just like I would never buy my son (if I had one) gangbanger clothes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:27:05 GMT -5
Something looks suspicious: you call the COPS!
Let them handle it. If he witness the kid doing something illegal I would understand trying to be a hero; but he was just walking...not causing a scene, not fighting, not stealing, not doing anything illegal.
If that is suspicious to you, call the COPS.
And it was 5 white women and 1 Hispanic women that was on that jury.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:27:22 GMT -5
How Trayvon dressed got him followed. How he acted when confronted got him killed. Two completely separate things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:29:18 GMT -5
Something looks suspicious: you call the COPS! Let them handle it. If he witness the kid doing something illegal I would understand trying to be a hero; but he was just walking...not causing a scene, not fighting, not stealing, not doing anything illegal. If that is suspicious to you, call the COPS. And it was 5 white women and 1 Hispanic women that was on that jury. That is not a priority call for the cops. By the time a cop would have arrived, Trayvon would have either left the neighborhood or raped 12 white women.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:29:46 GMT -5
And I would be just as suspicious of the white gangbangers. I don't stereotype based in race. I stereotype based in how a person looks. Like I have said, we have had an increase in gang activity and I'm sick of it and think all citizens in my area should band together and take our neighborhoods back. I can see where Zimmerman is coming from. I can see where he's coming from too. But just because I want to do something doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. I agree...but what do you do when the police can't stop the infiltration? We would never do what Zimmerman did and so far the gangbangers are just killing each other or the dregs who buy from them. As long as they eliminate each other, I'm ok with that. But my biggest fear is that it will spill out I the good towns....in which case I have no problem with the zimmermans of the world banding together to keep our town safe. I don't know if TM was really up to know good or not. I wasn't there.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:29:54 GMT -5
How Trayvon dressed got him followed. How he acted when confronted got him killed. Two completely separate things. Why did he need to be confronted? How was he supposed to respond to Zimmerman when he was confronted?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:30:32 GMT -5
Something looks suspicious: you call the COPS! Let them handle it. If he witness the kid doing something illegal I would understand trying to be a hero; but he was just walking...not causing a scene, not fighting, not stealing, not doing anything illegal. If that is suspicious to you, call the COPS. And it was 5 white women and 1 Hispanic women that was on that jury. That is not a priority call for the cops. By the time a cop would have arrived, Trayvon would have either left the neighborhood or raped 12 white women. That is how it is in our area. Our cops are understaffed and the criminals are winning.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:30:36 GMT -5
Pants sagging, oversized plain white T-shirt, nice sneakers (Jordans?)... Possibly a baseball cap with unbent brim. I see swamp basically said the same thing. It's funny, they don't have a dress code down here. And the saggy ass pants are on the way out and baseball caps aren't common. The only thing that raises my "thug-o-meter" is a group with jeans and white tees on (no longer oversized), and flags. Hell, I wear jeans and white tees. And hoodies. Must be the thug in me.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:31:33 GMT -5
That is not a priority call for the cops. By the time a cop would have arrived, Trayvon would have either left the neighborhood or raped 12 white women. You're an ass. I wasn't agreeing on the raping 12 women part. Just that locally this would have not been a quick response... If they responded at all
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:32:17 GMT -5
I can see where he's coming from too. But just because I want to do something doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. I agree...but what do you do when the police can't stop the infiltration? We would never do what Zimmerman did and so far the gangbangers are just killing each other or the dregs who buy from them. As long as they eliminate each other, I'm ok with that. But my biggest fear is that it will spill out I the good towns....in which case I have no problem with the zimmermans of the world banding together to keep our town safe. I don't know if TM was really up to know good or not. I wasn't there. I wait until he commits a crime to shoot him. We have a huge gang problem here too. It's an open market for drug sales and they're here to set up shop. But as of now, they aren't threatening anyone.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:34:03 GMT -5
I wasn't agreeing on the raping 12 women part. Just that locally this would have not been a quick response... If they responded at all Raping the white women is why I called him an ass that was completely uncalled for.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:36:24 GMT -5
I wasn't agreeing on the raping 12 women part. Just that locally this would have not been a quick response... If they responded at all Raping the white women is why I called him an ass that was completely uncalled for. I'm surprised your sharp legal mind couldn't recognize hyperbole.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:38:31 GMT -5
Raping the white women is why I called him an ass that was completely uncalled for. I'm surprised your sharp legal mind couldn't recognize hyperbole. I recognize it. It was still inappropriate.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:39:12 GMT -5
I agree...but what do you do when the police can't stop the infiltration? We would never do what Zimmerman did and so far the gangbangers are just killing each other or the dregs who buy from them. As long as they eliminate each other, I'm ok with that. But my biggest fear is that it will spill out I the good towns....in which case I have no problem with the zimmermans of the world banding together to keep our town safe. I don't know if TM was really up to know good or not. I wasn't there. I wait until he commits a crime to shoot him. We have a huge gang problem here too. It's an open market for drug sales and they're here to set up shop. But as of now, they aren't threatening anyone. I agree...or until I felt my life was in danger, which is what Zimmerman did
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:39:55 GMT -5
How Trayvon dressed got him followed. How he acted when confronted got him killed. Two completely separate things. Why did he need to be confronted? How was he supposed to respond to Zimmerman when he was confronted? Why did he need to be asked what he was doing around here? That seems like a fine request to make. We do that in this neighborhood when we see kids we don't know. We do that in this neighborhood when we see adults we don't know.
If Trayvon remains calm, he lives. I'm not saying he acted out because he is black - I think many 17 year old males would act tough in that situation.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:40:45 GMT -5
I wait until he commits a crime to shoot him. We have a huge gang problem here too. It's an open market for drug sales and they're here to set up shop. But as of now, they aren't threatening anyone. I agree...or until I felt my life was in danger, which is what Zimmerman did Lol, but then we get back to wether he only felt his life was in danger because he followed the guy.
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Post by midjd on Jul 14, 2013 9:41:20 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know the racial breakdown in your neighborhoods for the posters who have indicated that they would've done the same thing as Zimmerman if they saw someone walking around who "didn't belong there." What exactly defines someone who "doesn't belong there"?
I hope it's not meant as it sounds (which is that a young black person shouldn't be in an upscale neighborhood) and I'm misunderstanding.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:44:59 GMT -5
This case bothers me so much because I have a teenage black son. We have family and friends that live in upscale neighborhoods. We could be visiting friends or family and my son walks to the store or over someone else's house that he knows in the neighborhood, minding his own business, and get killed for it and apparently it's ok because his appearance says he doesn't belong there. Really?! What are we really saying here? That Trayvon brought this on himself because he dared to walk through that neighborhood wearing a hoodie and wasn't properly subservient when some strange man followed and confronted him? The penalty for being a young black man and wearing a hoodie while walking through an upscale neighborhood not bothering anybody or anything could be death and that's ok? That's what some of these opinions sound like to me. I hope I'm wrong and just going off on a tangent....... I don't know you or your son or how your son acts or dresses. If he came to my neighborhood, dressed like a gangbanger and was walking my streets alone, yes I would be afraid. But I would feel the same way if a white kid was dressed like a gangbanger and was walking my streets. We don't have thugs or people that'll like thugs in my neighborhood so it would be out of place and highly suspicious. If I lived in a big city where the thug look was common, it would be different. It is all a out context. And no, I personally would not follow a thug or someone that looked like a thug/gangbanger. But I can understand why someone else would.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:45:04 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know the racial breakdown in your neighborhoods for the posters who have indicated that they would've done the same thing as Zimmerman if they saw someone walking around who "didn't belong there." What exactly defines someone who "doesn't belong there"? I hope it's not meant as it sounds (which is that a young black person shouldn't be in an upscale neighborhood) and I'm misunderstanding. We are 100% not black. Mostly white with some Asian, Hispanic (white depending who is counting right), Indian, etc.
We hired a security patrol for 9pm on and they run off kids and adults every night. They determine if they belong by, you guessed it, confronting them..
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:46:36 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know the racial breakdown in your neighborhoods for the posters who have indicated that they would've done the same thing as Zimmerman if they saw someone walking around who "didn't belong there." What exactly defines someone who "doesn't belong there"? I hope it's not meant as it sounds (which is that a young black person shouldn't be in an upscale neighborhood) and I'm misunderstanding. I mean it as any person that I do not recognize as being from my development. To be clear, I have never seen anyone in my development dressing like a gangbanger. Seeing someone dressed like that would be suspicious and would cause concern.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:47:23 GMT -5
I agree...or until I felt my life was in danger, which is what Zimmerman did Lol, but then we get back to wether he only felt his life was in danger because he followed the guy. The two sides will never agree....but it gives us something to talk about :-p
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jul 14, 2013 9:48:18 GMT -5
The point everyone seems to be missing is that it was Trayvon's neighborhood, too. He had every right tow walk around every sidewalk, past every house, down every street, unmolested, every day. In fact, if it wasn't his neighborhood, he still had the same right. He had the right not to be killled in his own neighborhood for walking down the street wearing a hoodie and dark skin. He wasn't doing anything until Zimmerman started following him and continued the pursuit after the police told him to lay off. It is his faul that Trayvon Martin is dead, not Trayvon Martin's.
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