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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 8:39:50 GMT -5
He was neighborhood watch. I think he should follow anyone that he thinks is suspicious. I know my neighbors and would k ow who should and shouldn't be walking through our develolment Neighborhood watch isnt supposed to follow and confront.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 8:40:38 GMT -5
swamp, your quoting is wonky today lol. I'm on my phone. I have to delete some of the longer quotes to be able to respond.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 14, 2013 8:41:49 GMT -5
It's neighborhood watch, not neighborhood stalk. So those of you with 17y/o don't think of them as kids? That's BS. And hoodies make people look like gang bangers? I have to say I really hate it when people act like racism doesn't still exist. It does. I hear that from white people, but never black or Hispanic. I wonder why. And just because you wouldn't judge someone to be more or less threatening based on skin color doesn't mean everyone is that evolved. Again, how is that even a question? See, when it comes to 17 yr old sending blow job pictures around - we say, no biggy, they are not kids. Here? Oh he was a child. Everyone always says "oh you shouldn't judge" - that's BS. animals sniff each other to get an idea of who they are dealing with. people look at each other to form the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 8:42:21 GMT -5
Aw, shit - now the NAACP is opening their mouth....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 8:43:01 GMT -5
He totally looked like a gangbanger, no question. But you can't shoot someone because they look like one. Would your husband shoot him for walking around your neighborhood? I dont think so....you husband isn't nuts. But that is t why he shot him. He shot him because TM was beating he living shit out if him. And yes, if my husband was being beat he would have no problem shooting the guy beating him.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 8:43:19 GMT -5
Aw, shit - now the NAACP is opening their mouth.... That's not going to help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 8:43:35 GMT -5
Actually Lena, minors caught sexting can face child pornography charges. Yes, even the person creating and sending them.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 8:45:33 GMT -5
But that is t why he shot him. He shot him because TM was beating he living shit out if him. And yes, if my husband was being beat he would have no problem shooting the guy beating him. But with self defense, you can't start the fight. And if some random dude was followinf Mr around I'd hit him too. Zimmerman never should have been close enough for Martin to throw a punch.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 14, 2013 8:48:03 GMT -5
See, as far as confronting him - I would think it was a dumb thing to do bc HE could have gotten hurt, but if he was "brave" enough to do it - again, why is everyone saying that was the wrong thing to do?
I don't know....my undergrand University was in down town Baltimore which is predominately black area. My classes were at night, and I've seen plenty of guys walking around in hoodies, most of them were college students, black, white, asian, etc. Some probably weren't - no one could tell.
But if I saw a guy like that walking around in my neighborhood it would be completely different, bc he would look out of place there and I've yet to see teenagers going for a walk in a residential neighborhood by themselves. So, white black or green, he would look very suspicious to me.
So, for all of you making smart ass comments "oh you can't wear hoodie, yada yada yada" - it's not that - it's time and place thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 8:48:13 GMT -5
I'm thinking that I'm really glad I don't live in Florida right now. I'm also glad it didn't happen in the area I live in because racial tension around here is bad enough without a case like this. I doubt that this is the end of the story.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 14, 2013 8:49:32 GMT -5
Actually Lena, minors caught sexting can face child pornography charges. Yes, even the person creating and sending them. Yes, I know, but there was a thread about it and most people were saying that they are not "kids", etc. That was my only point - that we tend to see a x age person a kid or not a kid depending on what we are talking about... Have I completely confused you yet? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 8:56:40 GMT -5
Okay... What if Zimmerman was killed instead? Would Martin have gotten off for self-defense?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 8:57:41 GMT -5
But that is t why he shot him. He shot him because TM was beating he living shit out if him. And yes, if my husband was being beat he would have no problem shooting the guy beating him. But with self defense, you can't start the fight. And if some random dude was followinf Mr around I'd hit him too. Zimmerman never should have been close enough for Martin to throw a punch. Being close enough to get hit is not the same as starting the fight. From everything that I have read, there was no evidence as to who through the first punch. But Zimmerman was beat the hell and TM had no evidence of a beating. There were no eye witnesses so the only people who know exactly what happened ate TM and Zimmerman...the evidence didn't support what the prosecutor was selling. I'm curious....I didn't watch the trial so I don't know. We're the jurors white or black? Because 6 of them found him not guilty.....I highly doubt there were 6 white people on the jury presiding over a trial about the killing of a black man...
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:00:30 GMT -5
The problem is the only version we have Zimmermans and I dont think he was being completely truthful.
It was probably the right verdict for what the evidence was, but this while event didn't have to happen.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:01:10 GMT -5
And I don't know what color the jurors were
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:03:40 GMT -5
And I don't know what color the jurors were I just googled. There was one black woman and 5 white women. They were all unanimous with their votes, which means based in the evidence (the only thing that should be used to convict) at least one black person found Zimmerman not guilty.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:04:00 GMT -5
The jurors were white women.
Never mind, Tina found it. I didn't know there was a black woman on jury. And yea, the jury should have found him not guilty of murder... The charge should have been for manslaughter or reckless endangerment though. That's the problem.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 14, 2013 9:04:06 GMT -5
Zimmerman called the cops, he shouldnt have gotten out of the car and confronted Martin. Again, his being suspicious was walking... Gives new life to the phrase walking while black...
He didn't try to get into cars, or homes, he was just walking. Maybe because I'm the minority as a white person in my neighborhood, but I'm not going to even call the cops if someone is just walking down the street.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:05:37 GMT -5
People keep bringing up Stand Your Ground. If you followed the facts of the trial, you would know that SYG was not the defense they used. In the press conference last night, the prosecutor said that a few times - if that was what the defense used there would have been a hearing in front of the judge with no jury present.
The prosecutor went on to say that SYG wasn't a big change in the law - that self defense law was already strong in Florida.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:06:04 GMT -5
Okay... What if Zimmerman was killed instead? Would Martin have gotten off for self-defense? If the defense could prove his case that he was in danger. Considering he didn't have a mark on him and Zimmerman was beat to a pulp, that might be hard to prove. Then again, OJ and Casey Anthony were both found not guilty so anything can happen
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:06:51 GMT -5
The jurors were white women. Never mind, Tina found it. I didn't know there was a black woman on jury. And yea, the jury should have found him not guilty of murder... The charge should have been for manslaughter or reckless endangerment though. That's the problem. I read that one was black. Did she get dropped?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:07:03 GMT -5
This case bothers me so much because I have a teenage black son. We have family and friends that live in upscale neighborhoods. We could be visiting friends or family and my son walks to the store or over someone else's house that he knows in the neighborhood, minding his own business, and get killed for it and apparently it's ok because his appearance says he doesn't belong there. Really?!
What are we really saying here? That Trayvon brought this on himself because he dared to walk through that neighborhood wearing a hoodie and wasn't properly subservient when some strange man followed and confronted him? The penalty for being a young black man and wearing a hoodie while walking through an upscale neighborhood not bothering anybody or anything could be death and that's ok?
That's what some of these opinions sound like to me. I hope I'm wrong and just going off on a tangent.......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:08:53 GMT -5
I have no doubt OJ was involved in some fashion in those murders, but the prosecution and police made so many missteps that they had to acquit.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 9:09:56 GMT -5
Zimmerman called the cops, he shouldnt have gotten out of the car and confronted Martin. Again, his being suspicious was walking... Gives new life to the phrase walking while black... He didn't try to get into cars, or homes, he was just walking. Maybe because I'm the minority as a white person in my neighborhood, but I'm not going to even call the cops if someone is just walking down the street. You have also said you live in a less than stellar neighborhood (I think that was you...maybe I'm confusing the posters again). In my development seeing people dressed like gangbangers just doesn't happen. It happens in surrounding towns but not mine. It would immediately be suspicious to see someone like that walking the streets of my development late at night. You have to out it in context. If someone dressed like that was walking the streets of the crime ridden city near where I live it would be normal. It isnt where I live.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:10:29 GMT -5
pink, that's my fear as well. Good thing my boy has been mistaken for everything but black then, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:11:02 GMT -5
The jurors were white women. Never mind, Tina found it. I didn't know there was a black woman on jury. And yea, the jury should have found him not guilty of murder... The charge should have been for manslaughter or reckless endangerment though. That's the problem. I read that one was black. Did she get dropped? Maybe she was a Jackson?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:11:33 GMT -5
The jurors were white women. Never mind, Tina found it. I didn't know there was a black woman on jury. And yea, the jury should have found him not guilty of murder... The charge should have been for manslaughter or reckless endangerment though. That's the problem. I read that one was black. Did she get dropped? I don't know actually... I heard that info from MIL who was watching the trial coverage daily.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 9:11:50 GMT -5
If the defense could prove his case that he was in danger. Considering he didn't have a mark on him and Zimmerman was beat to a pulp, that might be hard to prove. Then again, OJ and Casey Anthony were both found not guilty so anything can happen Zimmerman got hit, but I don't know about "to a pulp" it looks like Martin got in 1 or 2 good shots when he had Zimmerman pinned. He got his nose broke, and the cut on his head is pretty common when you get hit when you're down. For all we know, Martin was about to let him up. Maybe he was going fir more. We just don't know
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 14, 2013 9:11:58 GMT -5
That statement says to me that Martin deserved to get shot because he was walking at night in a hoodie. I guess the same point that you deserve to get raped when wearing a short skirt.
It sucks that all I have to tell my white kid is that sagging his pants makes him look like an idiot. But my friends with black kids have to teach them that sagging thei pants could get them shot and killed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 9:12:27 GMT -5
I read that one was black. Did she get dropped? Maybe she was a Jackson? What's wrong with Jackson?
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