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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 6:21:19 GMT -5
Good verdict. It should have never gone to trial.
I'm betting that you can buy transcripts of the trial. If you disagree with the final verdict why not buy one & hear what the people that found him not guilty heard.....You know, the facts. On second thought, don't bother because facts just might cloud the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 6:43:40 GMT -5
I never got an answer on what he was doing to "act suspicious" aside from what Caiwau pointed out above. My biggest fear is that this is going to start a precedent of people thinking that they can follow anyone they don't like the looks of, and if it does lead to a physical altercation and the person followed is killed, then that's perfectly alright. Cops already do this from time to time (no cop hate here - just stating fact) do we really want civilians doing this too?
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jul 14, 2013 7:15:00 GMT -5
I agree with what Jenny and cawiau wrote. If Zimmerman had minded his own business, he wouldn't be a murderer and the kid would still be alive.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jul 14, 2013 7:23:06 GMT -5
Well, let's see. My neighborhood is about 40% black, 45% white, and 10 - 15% other. So, if I self-appoint myself as a neighborhood watch person, go out after dark, encounter a person of a different race whom I dion't know, start following them around in close quarters, and eventually shoot them when they react to my threatening survelllance, I guess I didn't murder them. Wow.
I'm not retiring to any state with a stand your own ground law, either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 7:25:07 GMT -5
Good verdict. It should have never gone to trial. I'm betting that you can buy transcripts of the trial. If you disagree with the final verdict why not buy one & hear what the people that found him not guilty heard.....You know, the facts. On second thought, don't bother because facts just might cloud the issue. What facts? It was a matter of he said he said and the other " he" was dead. So we have his word against a dead child and a bunch of blank to fill. No witness, no one to represent the dead kid. I read the transcript thank you very much and yes prosecution dropped the ball and they did not have much to go one because you guessed it: the kid is DEAD and they had no witness. I don't know what happened during the altercation but I am damn sure what started it: the kid was BLACK and because of that he was deemed a criminal and looked suspicious. Being BLACK started the whole tragedy that got him killed. Being BLACK made him a target. And let's not forget the hoodie, that made him cribs or blood for certain Zimmerman did not see him trying to vandalize a car or a house, trying to brake into an apartment or doing anything that such a "criminal" mind would be doing. But being BLACK, wearing a hoodie and being in the wrong place at the wrong time was his first "mistake" that got him killed.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Jul 14, 2013 7:46:49 GMT -5
And I realized - real-life court is boring as hell. I want some Law & Order theatrics!! Oh, and never broadcast your skype address on live TV. Unless you want a lot of new friends. That has to be the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Ok, the trial itself was boring. I knew the aftermath would be controversial no matter what. Sent from my SPH-L710 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 7:50:02 GMT -5
What facts? It was a matter of he said he said and the other " he" was dead. So we have his word against a dead child and a bunch of blank to fill. No witness, no one to represent the dead kid. I read the transcript thank you very much and yes prosecution dropped the ball and they did not have much to go one because you guessed it: the kid is DEAD and they had no witness.
Actually there was a witness. The person saw one of the men on top of the other one hitting him. (Zimmerman had grass stains on the back of his shirt). The witness also asked Martin to stop hitting Zimmermen & when he didn't stop the witness went to call 911. The there's the physical evidence. Martin was shot at more or less point blank range at an angle that indicated that he was above Zimmerman. The physical evidence supports everything Zimmerman said. So I guess Cawiau you missed those thing in the transcript. Was anything in there about why Martin was suspended from school? That's kind of interesting too.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jul 14, 2013 7:52:36 GMT -5
If I decided to follow and kill a person of a different race around here for walking down a street in my neighborhood, I would be killing (murdering ) someone once a week, for no more than looking like Trayvon Martin.
Well, I am prety sure that the feds will step in and charge Zimmerman with depriving Trayvon Martin of his civil rights which is how they had to handle the vigilante killings in the sixties during the voter registration drives in the deep south....
I think that this is not over by a long shot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 7:55:51 GMT -5
Yes, I fully expect there to be a civil trial.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 14, 2013 7:56:24 GMT -5
A 17 year old child?
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 14, 2013 8:00:11 GMT -5
Zimmerman caused the fight that led to a kids death, and he went after the kid because he was black. How can anyone deny or even question that? He should be convicted of his actions that led up to an altercation that NEVER should have happened. How can you argue that the case shouldn't have gone to trial? The fight shouldnt have happened ffs!
I can't copy it, but that same defense was denied for a black woman in Florida who didn't even injure anyone.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 8:05:05 GMT -5
This is the part that irritates me and proves that the media is biased. Every picture I see of TM is of a sweet, smiling little 12 year old kid. That is not the person that was shot and killed. Put one up of the man that Zimmerman encountered and who beat the shit out if Zimmerman? Whether Zimmerman was right in following him (he was neighborhood watch so I have no issue with a neighborhood watch person following someone), the fact is that he did nothing illegal by shooting the person that was beating the shit out of him.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 8:06:59 GMT -5
Yes, I fully expect there to be a civil trial. What does it prove? OJ lost at his civil trial but he still walked around a free murderer. And I doubt Zimmerman has the kind if money that OJ had....
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 14, 2013 8:08:52 GMT -5
What facts? It was a matter of he said he said and the other " he" was dead. So we have his word against a dead child and a bunch of blank to fill. No witness, no one to represent the dead kid. I read the transcript thank you very much and yes prosecution dropped the ball and they did not have much to go one because you guessed it: the kid is DEAD and they had no witness. Actually there was a witness. The person saw one of the men on top of the other one hitting him. (Zimmerman had grass stains on the back of his shirt). The witness also asked Martin to stop hitting Zimmermen & when he didn't stop the witness went to call 911. The there's the physical evidence. Martin was shot at more or less point blank range at an angle that indicated that he was above Zimmerman. The physical evidence supports everything Zimmerman said. So I guess Cawiau you missed those thing in the transcript. Was anything in there about why Martin was suspended from school? That's kind of interesting too. What about everything dark posted? If someone stalked you would you just sit back and let them do whatever? You're un armed, and some stranger comes at you. Are you going to call the cops with your skittles? You want to explain to me HOW Zimmerman knew the kid was suspended from school??? He saw a black kid in a white neighborhood and went after him. He labeled him a thug without any evidence but his skin color and hoodie. I really "don't care" what happened during the fight. It shouldnt have happened, and Zimmerman should be convicted of everything he has admitted to. His actions led to a kids death, that were 100% inappropriate given the situation.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 8:09:04 GMT -5
Zimmerman caused the fight that led to a kids death, and he went after the kid because he was black. How can anyone deny or even question that? He should be convicted of his actions that led up to an altercation that NEVER should have happened. How can you argue that the case shouldn't have gone to trial? The fight shouldnt have happened ffs! I can't copy it, but that same defense was denied for a black woman in Florida who didn't even injure anyone. Because I don't think in racist terms. I fully believe if a white kid was walking the street in the middle if the night, dresses like a gangbanger, that he would have felt it was his duty to keep the neighborhood safe and follow the kid. We have had a rise in gang activity locally. I wish we had a neighborhood watch with zimmermans of the world to help keep the neighborhood safe.
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What facts? It was a matter of he said he said and the other " he" was dead. So we have his word against a dead child and a bunch of blank to fill. No witness, no one to represent the dead kid. I read the transcript thank you very much and yes prosecution dropped the ball and they did not have much to go one because you guessed it: the kid is DEAD and they had no witness. Actually there was a witness. The person saw one of the men on top of the other one hitting him. (Zimmerman had grass stains on the back of his shirt). The witness also asked Martin to stop hitting Zimmermen & when he didn't stop the witness went to call 911. The there's the physical evidence. Martin was shot at more or less point blank range at an angle that indicated that he was above Zimmerman. The physical evidence supports everything Zimmerman said. So I guess Cawiau you missed those thing in the transcript. Was anything in there about why Martin was suspended from school? That's kind of interesting too. What about everything dark posted? If someone stalked you would you just sit back and let them do whatever? You're un armed, and some stranger comes at you. Are you going to call the cops with your skittles? You want to explain to me HOW Zimmerman knew the kid was suspended from school He saw a black kid in a white neighborhood and went after him. He labeled him a thug without any evidence but his skin color and hoodie. I really "don't care" what happened during the fight. It shouldnt have happened, and Zimmerman should be convicted of everything he has admitted to. His actions led to a kids death, that were 100% inappropriate given the situation. You have the right to believe whatever you believe, & so do I. I would point out that the jury agreed with me. Oh & the dead kid wasn't a kid or a child.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 8:12:24 GMT -5
Tex, who the fuck cares that Martin was suspended from school? That doesn't have jack shit to do with the facts of the case.
And I think the prosecution did a crap job. They could have done more with what they had.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 8:14:45 GMT -5
What facts? It was a matter of he said he said and the other " he" was dead. So we have his word against a dead child and a bunch of blank to fill. No witness, no one to represent the dead kid. I read the transcript thank you very much and yes prosecution dropped the ball and they did not have much to go one because you guessed it: the kid is DEAD and they had no witness. Actually there was a witness. The person saw one of the men on top of the other one hitting him. (Zimmerman had grass stains on the back of his shirt). The witness also asked Martin to stop hitting Zimmermen & when he didn't stop the witness went to call 911. The there's the physical evidence. Martin was shot at more or less point blank range at an angle that indicated that he was above Zimmerman. The physical evidence supports everything Zimmerman said. So I guess Cawiau you missed those thing in the transcript. Was anything in there about why Martin was suspended from school? That's kind of interesting too. What about everything dark posted? If someone stalked you would you just sit back and let them do whatever? You're un armed, and some stranger comes at you. Are you going to call the cops with your skittles? You want to explain to me HOW Zimmerman knew the kid was suspended from school??? He saw a black kid in a white neighborhood and went after him. He labeled him a thug without any evidence but his skin color and hoodie. I really "don't care" what happened during the fight. It shouldnt have happened, and Zimmerman should be convicted of everything he has admitted to. His actions led to a kids death, that were 100% inappropriate given the situation. He made a decision that the kid was acting suspicious. I would find any person dressed like a gangbanger walking my development where he didn't live, to be suspicious. I know my neighbors and I would know that person didn't live here. We have had an Increase in hang activity locally so I would assume this person was up to no good. Right or wrong, you want to dress like a thug you get judged accordingly. White or black, thugs don't live in my development and it would automatically raise my suspicions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 8:17:36 GMT -5
Zimmerman caused the fight that led to a kids death, and he went after the kid because he was black. How can anyone deny or even question that? He should be convicted of his actions that led up to an altercation that NEVER should have happened. How can you argue that the case shouldn't have gone to trial? The fight shouldnt have happened ffs! I can't copy it, but that same defense was denied for a black woman in Florida who didn't even injure anyone. Because I don't think in racist terms. I fully believe if a white kid was walking the street in the middle if the night, dresses like a gangbanger, that he would have felt it was his duty to keep the neighborhood safe and follow the kid. We have had a rise in gang activity locally. I wish we had a neighborhood watch with zimmermans of the world to help keep the neighborhood safe. I'm glad that you believe that the outcome would have been the same If Martin was white, but I can't say I believe the same. And for those who know me, you know I don't often (if ever) play the race card. For once, I'm glad that my son looks nothing like me, and hopefully that will help him to avoid the scrutiny that black males get in our society.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 14, 2013 8:19:48 GMT -5
It's neighborhood watch, not neighborhood stalk.
So those of you with 17y/o don't think of them as kids? That's BS.
And hoodies make people look like gang bangers?
I have to say I really hate it when people act like racism doesn't still exist. It does. I hear that from white people, but never black or Hispanic. I wonder why. And just because you wouldn't judge someone to be more or less threatening based on skin color doesn't mean everyone is that evolved. Again, how is that even a question?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 8:19:55 GMT -5
What about everything dark posted? If someone stalked you would you just sit back and let them do whatever? You're un armed, and some stranger comes at you. Are you going to call the cops with your skittles? You want to explain to me HOW Zimmerman knew the kid was suspended from school??? He saw a black kid in a white neighborhood and went after him. He labeled him a thug without any evidence but his skin color and hoodie. I really "don't care" what happened during the fight. It shouldnt have happened, and Zimmerman should be convicted of everything he has admitted to. His actions led to a kids death, that were 100% inappropriate given the situation. He made a decision that the kid was acting suspicious. I would find any person dressed like a gangbanger walking my development where he didn't live, to be suspicious. I know my neighbors and I would know that person didn't live here. We have had an Increase in hang activity locally so I would assume this person was up to no good. Right or wrong, you want to dress like a thug you get judged accordingly. White or black, thugs don't live in my development and it would automatically raise my suspicions. Dressing in a hoodie means you're a thug, but a woman should be able to wear whatever she wants and not be considered a slut? We have some interesting double standards on here....
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jul 14, 2013 8:21:23 GMT -5
Again, I have many neighbors, but I don't know them all. We have youths of different races that walk around wearing hoodies some of the time. Sometimes, they're walking around in the evening. Most of the time, they either ignore me or mumble "hello" or " hello, ma'am" after I say hello to them. I ususally greet the kids. If my husband and I are walking in a park or in our sub, black folks get friendly after they figure out that we're friendly. If we don't say anything to them, they don't say anything to us. If we smile and say hello to them, then we get pleasant conversation if they're older, or " hello ma'am " if they're teens. If they're young and are walking a dog, we admire their dog, and then they really open up.
I don't feel intimidated if they're just teens wearing hoodies and walking down the road ( we don't have sidewalks ). If I felt like confronting everybody who fit Trayvon Martin's profile, then I'd be doing 99 years to infinity, because as I wrote before, I'd have killed a bunch of innocent people.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 8:26:53 GMT -5
He made a decision that the kid was acting suspicious. I would find any person dressed like a gangbanger walking my development where he didn't live, to be suspicious. I know my neighbors and I would know that person didn't live here. We have had an Increase in hang activity locally so I would assume this person was up to no good. Right or wrong, you want to dress like a thug you get judged accordingly. White or black, thugs don't live in my development and it would automatically raise my suspicions. Dressing in a hoodie means you're a thug, but a woman should be able to wear whatever she wants and not be considered a slut? We have some interesting double standards on here.... I never said that a woman should be able to wear whatever she wants. If I see a woman dresses like a whore I judge her as such. No matter what anyone thinks appearances DO matter! Difference is that I am not afraid for my safety in the presence of a whore. I would be if I saw what looked like a gang anger walking up my street. We have guns and I'm pretty sure my husband would be grabbing one if he saw what looked like a gangbanger walking the streets.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 14, 2013 8:29:57 GMT -5
OK, so no one answered my question - no biggy, my feelings are not hurt or anything I'll ask another one - for those of you who say "he should have minded his own business" - is that what you really want people to do? Bc we had quite a few threads where everyone was saying how you should be involved and not let bad things happen, blah blah blah....so I am curious - if it's your neighborhood and someone thinks there is a problem - do you want them to just walk away ? Again, I really haven't followed the case - just going by posts on this thread
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 8:30:19 GMT -5
It's neighborhood watch, not neighborhood stalk. So those of you with 17y/o don't think of them as kids? That's BS. And hoodies make people look like gang bangers? I have to say I really hate it when people act like racism doesn't still exist. It does. I hear that from white people, but never black or Hispanic. I wonder why. And just because you wouldn't judge someone to be more or less threatening based on skin color doesn't mean everyone is that evolved. Again, how is that even a question? I've seen other pictures that the liberal media doesn't want to show...I don't know what he looked like hat night because I wasn't there. But if he looked like he did in any if those other pictures and I saw him walking my development, I would immediately think "gangbanger" and would alert my husband to protect us. In the pictures I have seen of him (taken from Facebook shots taken of the real TM), he looked like the gang angers arrested weekly around here for drugs and killing one another.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 8:34:03 GMT -5
I have no problem with observing and reporting, or get involved if a person is in immediate danger. But don't confront some dude skulking around the neighborhoid.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 8:35:05 GMT -5
OK, so no one answered my question - no biggy, my feelings are not hurt or anything I'll ask another one - for those of you who say "he should have minded his own business" - is that what you really want people to do? Bc we had quite a few threads where everyone was saying how you should be involved and not let bad things happen, blah blah blah....so I am curious - if it's your neighborhood and someone thinks there is a problem - do you want them to just walk away ? Again, I really haven't followed the case - just going by posts on this thread He was neighborhood watch. I think he should follow anyone that he thinks is suspicious. I know my neighbors and would k ow who should and shouldn't be walking through our develolment
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 8:36:00 GMT -5
OK, so no one answered my question - no biggy, my feelings are not hurt or anything I'll ask another one - for those of you who say "he should have minded his own business" - is that what you really want people to do? Bc we had quite a few threads where everyone was saying how you should be involved and not let bad things happen, blah blah blah....so I am curious - if it's your neighborhood and someone thinks there is a problem - do you want them to just walk away ? Again, I really haven't followed the case - just going by posts on this thread IMO he should have observed and reported and left it at that.
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Post by swamp on Jul 14, 2013 8:37:26 GMT -5
He totally looked like a gangbanger, no question. But you can't shoot someone because they look like one. Would your husband shoot him for walking around your neighborhood? I dont think so....you husband isn't nuts.
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swamp, your quoting is wonky today lol.
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