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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 14:23:37 GMT -5
Of course not. But you completely blow your own credibility when you can't admit that race played a role in this case.
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Post by geenamercile on Jul 17, 2013 14:30:32 GMT -5
Okay I can go with that logic that race was an issue. So let me reword, I would say then using race in this case, was reasonable. I believe I have suggested that there does need to be discussion on what is considered reasonable use of race, and what isn't.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 17, 2013 14:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 16:23:03 GMT -5
Dark - does your store have any Zimmerman Foundation figures?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 17, 2013 16:25:40 GMT -5
Never heard of it.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 17, 2013 16:31:23 GMT -5
Yes, which is why Zimmerman was looking for black kids. Hence following Trayvon who is both black and a kid. Which means he was followed because of his race and age. Which is why you'd have to be a total moron to say this case wasn't about race at least a little bit. That doesn't mean that Zimmerman is a racist. It means that this case involved race, that's it. so, let's say break-ins were done by one-armed man and GZ was following a guy with one arm - are you going to say that GZ has something against people with disabilities? Bc that's the same logic...
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 17, 2013 16:33:55 GMT -5
I'm not saying Zimmerman is a racist. I'm saying the incident involved race because he was profiling based on that. If the profile was a one armed, blue skinned, 2.5 foot tall guy, he'd be profiling based on that. It doesn't mean he hates people that are missing a limb, hates blue skinned people, or hates leprechauns, it means he's profiling strangers based on those characteristics so they are part of the incident.
This was a race related incident. It doesn't mean anyone involved is a racist. I really don't understand why that concept seems too hard for so many of you. You're like college educated adults and whatnot right? Did you get your degree from a Cracker Jack box?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 17, 2013 16:44:01 GMT -5
I can't speak for others, but when I hear "profiling based on race" - it sounds like the person is being accused of being a racist.
I could be wrong, I've been wrong before
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 17, 2013 16:56:33 GMT -5
All law enforcement people profile based on race. If race is part of the description they're given. When an APB goes out for them to be on the lookout for a roughly 6' tall Hispanic male in his early to mid twenties that weighs around 170 that fled the scene of an assault or whatever, they all start looking for tall skinny Hispanic guys in the vicinity and questioning them. That doesn't make them racist, but it does lend a racial component to the investigation.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 17, 2013 17:27:26 GMT -5
That's not a racial component, it's a description.
And the last time I checked, the was a war on racial profiling, so let's not make is sound so innocent.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 17, 2013 17:37:35 GMT -5
yeah...so an out of shape GZ can run down a 17yr old in shape kid who has a lead on him Hahahaha!!! Zimmerman gained at least 100 lbs from the night of the incident to the trial. He was not out of shape that night, but hey if that makes you feel better stick with that story! There's a whole passel of incorrect information being bandied about these boards, and it's on both sides of the issue. Too many people seem to be mistaking their thoughts for facts!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 17:47:25 GMT -5
Being considered racist is so emotionally laden for people that we can't even seem to admit it.
I think we all carry out racial/cultural biases, good or bad, and as long as we are aware of them we can compensate in our actions. For example Asians are commonly thought of as intelligent, educated, and money grubbing. And it's cool to make fun of our names on the news. Mexicans are often thought of as hardworking, poor, and uninterested in education. Native Americans are often viewed as alcoholic and impoverished but also more concerned about the environment than your average person.
It's possible to be biased towards a group and still be great friends with some of them and get along with them in a professional or social environment.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 17, 2013 18:38:26 GMT -5
There's not a war on racial profiling. Unless two armed militaries are battling each other over the issue and I've somehow missed it. There are people who piss and moan about racial profiling, and there are people that want the practice outlawed. They usually target it to profiling done based only on race without a description of a particular suspect, like law enforcement pulling over and/or questioning all young black men because they think most of them are criminals. Targeted profiling is not only acceptable, it's completely necessary. You can't put out a bulletin about a suspect without giving a description, and usually that description will include skin color because it's one of the most noticeable things about a person. Unless they're in a wheelchair or missing limbs.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 17, 2013 19:25:57 GMT -5
Of course not. But you completely blow your own credibility when you can't admit that race played a role in this case. No more than race would have played a role if the suspects were white and TM was a white kid....
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 17, 2013 20:03:43 GMT -5
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Post by geenamercile on Jul 17, 2013 20:19:38 GMT -5
Both of you not cool. Seriously we can disagree about a lot of things, but low blows are uncalled for, and you are both tossing them. I was enjoying being back and discussing with both of you, both who I find intelligent and interesting people.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 20:20:58 GMT -5
Ok then.....moving along.....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 17, 2013 20:25:50 GMT -5
Both of you not cool. Seriously we can disagree about a lot of things, but low blows are uncalled for, and you are both tossing them. I was enjoying being back and discussing with both of you, both who I find intelligent and interesting people. ((Points fingers))...he started it
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Post by geenamercile on Jul 17, 2013 20:33:07 GMT -5
Not the point, have some and let it go, back on topic. There seem to be several to choice from on this thread. Others marriages, not with standing.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 17, 2013 20:35:48 GMT -5
Not the point, have some and let it go, back on topic. There seem to be several to choice from on this thread. Others marriages, not with standing. You are such a mom :-p
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Post by geenamercile on Jul 17, 2013 20:47:50 GMT -5
A mom that pours wine.... does that give me a mother of the year award.
and on the topic......
I don't think GZ should be brought up on hate crimes at the federal level.
I think looking at how race defines a person is something that is near and dear to my heart. I am raising two daughters who to the world at large will be considered black. I do want them to be prepared for any racism they may encounter, but I also do want that to be go to excuse for any encounter either.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 17, 2013 20:50:19 GMT -5
A mom that pours wine.... does that give me a mother of the year award. and on the topic...... I don't think GZ should be brought up on hate crimes at the federal level. I think looking at how race defines a person is something that is near and dear to my heart. I am raising two daughters who to the world at large will be considered black. I do want them to be prepared for any racism they may encounter, but I also do want that to be go to excuse for any encounter either. I think you have a very healthy way of looking at it. We all know racism exists...but it seems to me that people see racism in everything anymore. It detracts from actual racism... Kind of like the kid that cries wolf. If everything gets blamed on racism then everyone will tune out when actual racism happens.
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Post by geenamercile on Jul 17, 2013 20:51:32 GMT -5
Oh I think dark started it with his comment. I get it was right inside the line, but I think he was baiting Tina and she went for it. It is nice to see that somethings stayed the same, even with my hiatus. Maybe he wasn't baiting Tina specifically but he was baiting to see who picked up the line.
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