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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 14, 2013 20:30:32 GMT -5
LOL. I know few men who call themselves Miss (Whatever). You aren't one of them. I simply said what I am sick of (just as you said you were sick of PC or whatever). White guys, including myself, have had to make our own way in the world, with whatever life throws our way. We all need to pull up our big-boy pants and get on with life. I'm sixty-two and at the back end of being middle aged. I have never felt like life was or is picking on me like some men do. I simply plod on and only look forward. I'm curious as why you think only white guys need to do that? Should all people have to out in their big boy pants? I honestly will never understand the liberal mentality towards white people. That is not a racial knock but something I've noticed in here over the years. White Christians get lambasted for everything but everyone else seems to get passes. Me dropping a racial slur would deserve a slap down but the liberals on here excuse slurs hurled at white people. Christians get slammed left and right on here but god forbid anyone makes a comment about Muslims. I guess that's why I'm a conservative...no one gets a pass from me Because it's the white guys on P&M who are the ones complaining. Remember I said "And I am sick of (on P&M) all the 'poor me', middle aged, white male pity party mentality" or did you forget that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:22:36 GMT -5
I hope none of that is directed at me because nowhere did I ever say that any type of racial slur is acceptable at any time or coming from anyone. I do not freely use the n-word and I never have - the only time I ever come close to "using" it is when I'm singing along to a song with the word in there. I've also never called any white/Hispanic/Asian/Indian person any other derogatory term. IMO it's all offensive.
Why is it so hard to accept the possibility that SOME incidents are racially motivated? Like Swamp said, the black people posting here aren't the type to mimic every word that Revs Jackson and Sharpton utter (some of you know exactly how I feel about them), so when we are saying that race had something to do with it, maybe - just maybe - what we're saying has some merit. It's pretty insulting to hear "stop playing the race card" from some of you - you should know me better than that.
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Post by shelby on Jul 14, 2013 21:23:24 GMT -5
Did somebody really tell minorities to stop talking about racism and reference the christian persecution b***s**t as if it is a real thing? I know who I think should stop talking FFS.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 21:35:18 GMT -5
I hope none of that is directed at me because nowhere did I ever say that any type of racial slur is acceptable at any time or coming from anyone. I do not freely use the n-word and I never have - the only time I ever come close to "using" it is when I'm singing along to a song with the word in there. I've also never called any white/Hispanic/Asian/Indian person any other derogatory term. IMO it's all offensive. Why is it so hard to accept the possibility that SOME incidents are racially motivated? Like Swamp said, the black people posting here aren't the type to mimic every word that Revs Jackson and Sharpton utter (some of you know exactly how I feel about them), so when we are saying that race had something to do with it, maybe - just maybe - what we're saying has some merit. It's pretty insulting to hear "stop playing the race card" from some of you - you should know me better than that. It sure if this is directed at me but I was NOT directing anything at you or any of the other posters in here. I was speaking in general, where the race card is thrown around when it is clearly not applicable. More so by the loud mouth "leaders" who want to do nothing but stir up trouble. As I said to link, real racism that any if you encounter should be talked about. But the al sharptons turn everything into a race card...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 21:35:49 GMT -5
Did somebody really tell minorities to stop talking about racism and reference the christian persecution b***s**t as if it is a real thing? I know who I think should stop talking FFS. Luckily I don't give a shit who you think should stop talking ;-)
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Post by shelby on Jul 14, 2013 21:40:09 GMT -5
Than keeping running with it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:41:42 GMT -5
Tina, I assume you're typing on a phone or something. You're making some interesting posts! lol
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2013 21:43:38 GMT -5
Tina, I assume you're typing on a phone or something. You're making some interesting posts! lol Lol! I am...and my iPhone loves to screw me with its autocorrects!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:57:02 GMT -5
I hope none of that is directed at me because nowhere did I ever say that any type of racial slur is acceptable at any time or coming from anyone. I do not freely use the n-word and I never have - the only time I ever come close to "using" it is when I'm singing along to a song with the word in there. I've also never called any white/Hispanic/Asian/Indian person any other derogatory term. IMO it's all offensive. Why is it so hard to accept the possibility that SOME incidents are racially motivated? Like Swamp said, the black people posting here aren't the type to mimic every word that Revs Jackson and Sharpton utter (some of you know exactly how I feel about them), so when we are saying that race had something to do with it, maybe - just maybe - what we're saying has some merit. It's pretty insulting to hear "stop playing the race card" from some of you - you should know me better than that. Why is it so hard to accept the possibility that SOME incidents between black and white people aren't racially motivated?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 22:28:21 GMT -5
I hope none of that is directed at me because nowhere did I ever say that any type of racial slur is acceptable at any time or coming from anyone. I do not freely use the n-word and I never have - the only time I ever come close to "using" it is when I'm singing along to a song with the word in there. I've also never called any white/Hispanic/Asian/Indian person any other derogatory term. IMO it's all offensive. Why is it so hard to accept the possibility that SOME incidents are racially motivated? Like Swamp said, the black people posting here aren't the type to mimic every word that Revs Jackson and Sharpton utter (some of you know exactly how I feel about them), so when we are saying that race had something to do with it, maybe - just maybe - what we're saying has some merit. It's pretty insulting to hear "stop playing the race card" from some of you - you should know me better than that. Why is it so hard to accept the possibility that SOME incidents between black and white people aren't racially motivated? OMG, it is like Facepalm-a-palooza with you today. I just can't anymore. Goodnight all.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 14, 2013 22:33:05 GMT -5
G'night, Jenny. Sleep softly.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 14, 2013 23:18:43 GMT -5
Really the only important fact in this whole thing is: Was Martin on top of Zimmerman hitting him? Yes (The witness confirmed that). Did he keep hitting him? (Yes, the witness & evidence confirmed that). To me the shooting was justified. I would have done the same thing if that had happened to me. So he started it and was getting his ass handed to him so that justify him shooting the kid. Ok got it! Nope, he should have just laid there and waited if TM would beat him to death or not.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 14, 2013 23:19:38 GMT -5
Honestly from what we know, I think if Trayvon survived the shooting they'd both be claiming self defense and saying the other guy started it. No way to know for sure, but based on the little we do know I think they both felt threatened, for very different reasons, right before the fists started flying. OMG, the world must be coming to an end, cause I agree with Dark
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 14, 2013 23:27:44 GMT -5
Race has nothing to do with any of it. Not everything is about race. And for all the people who talk about racism, may be you should stop talking about race so much
Please believe me, I wish I never knew anything about racism. So, even though it's still alive and well, I'm suppose to shut up and not talk about it? That's the answer you came up with? Really? There was a discussion on old YM that went on forever about this subject. One side was talking about all the racism that still exists today (or it was a few years ago) and the other side was talking about all the ways black people segregate themselves. All that conversation was before we had a black president. Needless to say, it didn't resolve anything and didn't get anywhere, but I do agree with that point - there are a lot of ways black people still separate themselves while talking about unity. And that's what I was referring to in my statement above.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 15, 2013 6:32:19 GMT -5
No, he should have stayed in his vehicle like the 911 dispatcher told him too and not chased down an innocent kid who was only guilty of walking home from the store in a hoodie. If he'd done that the kid would still be alive and his life wouldn't be fucked up like it is now.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 15, 2013 6:35:56 GMT -5
No, he should have stayed in his vehicle like the 911 dispatcher told him too and not chased down an innocent kid who was only guilty of walking home from the store in a hoodie. If he'd done that the kid would still be alive and his life wouldn't be fucked up like it is now. I agree. He absolutely should have stayed in the car. However, it was not illegal for him to get out of his car and go investigate. He did not break the law in doing so.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 15, 2013 6:46:41 GMT -5
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on who touched who first when he was done chasing the kid down. If he grabbed, pushed, tackled, or hit Trayvon after chasing him down, he assaulted an innocent kid then killed him when he defended himself. If we believe his version where Trayvon ran away the whole time but then circled back and attacked him while he was walking back to his car, then yeah he's in the clear.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 15, 2013 6:46:46 GMT -5
True, but because he did, a great many lives are now changed forever, including his own as well as Trayvons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 7:02:22 GMT -5
Really? He couldn't meet them doing rounds the day they moved in? I find that odd. Are your thinking that 20 or 30 moved in per day? Didn't GZ have a day job? After all, he played cop at night. Actually I think that he played concerned citizen at night as do most neighborhood watch people. They don't get any payment except maybe making the areas that they patrol a little safer from crime.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 15, 2013 7:17:28 GMT -5
No, he should have stayed in his vehicle like the 911 dispatcher told him too and not chased down an innocent kid who was only guilty of walking home from the store in a hoodie. If he'd done that the kid would still be alive and his life wouldn't be fucked up like it is now. I already agreed with you once, I just can't do it again
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 7:56:40 GMT -5
The supporters burning the American flag yesterday was a nice touch.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 15, 2013 8:09:59 GMT -5
The supporters burning the American flag yesterday was a nice touch. I liked the "peaceful" demonstrations that only included some fires, vandalism, etc.....the liberal media can put a positive spin on anything :-p
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Post by Opti on Jul 15, 2013 8:30:35 GMT -5
We'll never know but this is the part of Zimmerman's story I doubt the most. Trayvon was heading home the whole time, and one of the last things he said to his girlfriend on the phone before the fight broke out was I'm almost there. I see no reason he would double back and jump Zimmerman when he spent the whole time trying to walk then run away. I agree with you on this. I haven't done any personal research, but a blogger's URL I posted said the walk from the first address GZ mentioned in his re-enactment to his final destination was about a 4 to 5+ minute walk. Given that GZ said in that re-enactment he drove ahead of the walking TM when he made the call it is quite possible TM did do a half circle near his truck if he chose to walk the street for that portion of getting back. The doubling back makes no sense to me and even in his re-enactment when he says he went across the top of the T sidewalk to look for a street sign for the street he wasn't on and was coming back, he said TM approached him. Not jumped him. And he shows himself literally pushing TM back to about where everything happened from supposedly the T junction where TM came to talk to him. I used to think it was GZ that initiated the pushing because he would have noticed TM's ear piece to the phone. The call got cut off pretty quickly. We don't know who started it. We think we know neither man had the wisdom to identify themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 9:12:31 GMT -5
* If you can't post without using derogatory racial terms, MMC, don't post. - mmhmm, Administrator
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Post by shelby on Jul 15, 2013 10:08:13 GMT -5
I liked the "peaceful" demonstrations that only included some fires, vandalism, etc.....the liberal media can put a positive spin on anything :-p * Quote removed as post quoted has been removed. - mmhmm, Administrator Of course it's not but you cannot open a meaningful dialogue when you tell people to stop talking about it either. We will just sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away is not the best way to heal. Easy for you maybe, but solves nothing.
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Post by movingforward on Jul 15, 2013 10:48:28 GMT -5
Regardless of race I don't understand how anyone could not be distraught over this case. I don't care if TM was white, black, yellow or purple. A kid is dead for absolutely no reason other than some "want to be hero" decided to pursue a young person WITH A GUN after the police told him to stay in his car. I am not sure how anyone can not see that as wrong .
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Post by gs11rmb on Jul 15, 2013 11:44:01 GMT -5
Listening to the lawyers talking on television it seems as if the crux of the case was that the prosecution couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman put his hands on Trayvon first and that adds up to a not guilty verdict.
My husband and I are white and while we have all the usual parental fears of something terrible happening to our daughters, I can honestly say that I have never thought that they could be potentially targeted and followed because they look suspicious. My oldest DD had her birthday party on Saturday, hours before the verdict was returned, and after hearing the not guilty it made me think about some of the beautiful little boys who celebrated with us at the party and tearfully wonder if in a decade I could be attending one of their funerals because some idiot, armed with a gun, decided they were suspicious. It's just heartbreaking and I cannot begin to imagine the pain and grief that boy's parents are suffering.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 15, 2013 12:51:58 GMT -5
That's because you are putting your feelings and values on another person or persons.
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Post by movingforward on Jul 15, 2013 13:32:17 GMT -5
Didn't GZ have a day job? After all, he played cop at night. Actually I think that he played concerned citizen at night as do most neighborhood watch people. They don't get any payment except maybe making the areas that they patrol a little safer from crime. No, he stopped being a concerned citizen when he decided to disregard what the police specifically asked him to do. If being a concerned citizen means pursuing an individual who has done nothing other than "appear suspicious" (which actually is totally subjective anyway) with a deadly weapon then I guess I'd rather NOT have concerned citizens roaming my neighborhood or anywhere else for that matter.
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Post by souldoubt on Jul 15, 2013 13:41:53 GMT -5
I believe in Zimmerman's re-telling of what happened after he hung up the phone Martin confronted him so he didn't disregard what the dispatcher told him per what he told the cops.
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