Paula Deen

[Shooby]

  Why do we have to justify why we "care"? 

[Artemis Windsong]

Why do we need to care?

I have seen way too many peeps lives wrecked when things came down to ONE gosh dern sentence.

How many worms in the bag crawl when someone in the work place asks, "Do you think there are things around here that need to change?" 

What do you think about?  The person that comes in 20 minutes late every day along with a laundry list of annoyances so the answer is, Yes.

In your naivitude could you have considered that a hostile take over was one step away?  The change just might be you cleaning out your desk.

Yes, we need to care so we can learn from other's mistakes and know when the cross hairs are on us.

[Shooby]

Huh?

[billisonboard]

Jun 23, 2013 16:39:48 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

...Yes, we need to care so we can learn from other's mistakes and know when the cross hairs are on us.

The cross hairs are on you if you use racist, sexist, or sexual language in public situations.  Learned that one long ago.  Don't need to delve into this latest incident to learn it again.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 22, 2013 10:49:18 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

Paula has destroyed an empire she built up for years with her big mouth.  She could not perjure herself on the witness stand.  All this came down to one sentence:  Yes, of course.

She's 66 years old.  She was born and bred in the deep south, and she was under oath answering the "have you ever?" question.  Was she supposed to lie under oath?  This is the typical far left selective outrage.  On the other hand you have million dollar Obama donor Bill Maher who has called Sarah Palin a ****, and called her son a retard.  Will he be fired?  Nope.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 23, 2013 10:42:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Fan disapproval of Deen may be continued blow back for her not stepping forward years ago and announcing she had diabetes while she continued to push foods high in fats. I personally don't believe Deen needed to tell her fans she had diabetes but she could have offered healthier food recipes for those who do have diabetes.

High fat foods have no relationship to diabetes.  Diabetes is preceded by some form of metabolic syndrome- generally characterized by obesity and insulin resistance.  These are most commonly caused by an overabundance of carbohydrates- foods high on the glycemic index.  

In short- fattier milk, slimmer kids.  

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

(Speaking of adult-onset, type II diabetes of course)

[Tennesseer]

Jun 23, 2013 20:26:38 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 23, 2013 10:42:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Fan disapproval of Deen may be continued blow back for her not stepping forward years ago and announcing she had diabetes while she continued to push foods high in fats. I personally don't believe Deen needed to tell her fans she had diabetes but she could have offered healthier food recipes for those who do have diabetes.

High fat foods have no relationship to diabetes.  Diabetes is preceded by some form of metabolic syndrome- generally characterized by obesity and insulin resistance.  These are most commonly caused by an overabundance of carbohydrates- foods high on the glycemic index.  

In short- fattier milk, slimmer kids.  

I will listen to the American Diabetes Association before I listen to a former mulch layer who doesn't have a medical degree nor licensed to practice anywhere in the U.S.

Unhealthy Fats Saturated Fat

Why should you (diabetic) eat less saturated fat? Because saturated fat raises blood cholesterol levels. High blood cholesterol is a risk factor for heart disease. People with diabetes are at high risk for heart disease and limiting your saturated fat can help lower your risk of having a heart attack or stroke.

Foods containing saturated fat include:

High-fat dairy products such as full-fat cheese, cream, ice cream, whole milk, 2% milk and sour cream.
High-fat meats like regular ground beef, bologna, hot dogs, sausage, bacon and spareribs
Lard
Butter
Fatback and salt pork
Cream sauces
Gravy made with meat drippings
Chocolate
Palm oil and palm kernel oil
Coconut and coconut oil
Poultry (chicken and turkey) skin

One of the important diabetes nutrition guidelines is to eat less than 7% of calories from saturated fat. For most people eating, this is about 15 grams of saturated fat per day. That is not much when you consider just one ounce of cheese can have 8 grams of saturated fat.

Many adults, especially women or sedentary men, may need less. To find out a specific goal for you, talk with your dietitian or health care provider.

www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/fat-and-diabetes.html

[Tennesseer]

Jun 23, 2013 21:18:29 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Jun 23, 2013 20:48:19 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/fat-and-diabetes.html

Unlike the saturated fat found in animals, the saturated fat found in unrefined coconut (plant) oil is good for us.

I looked for Paula Deen recipes using unrefined coconut (EVCO) and found none. Just butter, butter and more butter.

I see EVCO is good for baking, hair and skin.

[wvugurl26]

Ok yes, if you already have diabetes you may need less fat in your diet. It isn't going to cause it though. And really everyone knows her recipes call for butter and more butter. Looking to her for healthier recipes is absurd. That is absolutely not her niche. One of her sons does take her recipes and make them healthier.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 23, 2013 22:10:22 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Jun 23, 2013 21:42:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I looked for Paula Deen recipes using unrefined coconut (EVCO) and found none. Just butter, butter and more butter.

I see EVCO is good for baking, hair and skin.

I highly doubt she used coconut oil and believe her poor diet had much to do with her diabetes. 

Lone-In what way do you use EVCO? Do you use it to bake, fry, in salads, etc.?

[Tennesseer]

ETA to the above post: does it taste like coconut?

[Jaguar]

I've been looking at coconut oil at my supplement supplier website tonight.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 23, 2013 22:27:25 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Jun 23, 2013 22:12:40 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Lone-In what way do you use EVCO? Do you use it to bake, fry, in salads, etc.?

I use it in almost everything I cook. With the coconut fat, I make whipped cream and ice cream (Stevia to sweeten). I fry with it because it doesn't burn.
I bake with it. I mix it with a little apple cider vinegar for salad dressing. A little added to the split ends in your hair works wonders.
I buy it in big containers at Costco. 


ETA. Yes it does have a bit of a coconut taste, but I find it's a pleasant.

I like coconut. Maybe I'll try it. Thanks.

[Jaguar]

It is so much better for you.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Well, TN, have fun with that.  The low carbohydrate diet is one of the best ways to prevent and manage type 2 diabetes.  

www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/16

Paula Deen is by no means exempted from promoting a diet that causes type 2 diabetes, but to say it like her, "It's the sugar, sugar".  The fact is that it was her high sugar foods, and not the butter and animal fat that likely contributed to her illness.

Not only does a low carbohydrate diet prevent the constant insulin spikes that lead to insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome and diabetes- but the consumption of an appropriate amount of animal protein, including animal fat is one of the best ways to prevent the kind of over-eating that leads to obesity and heart disease.  

www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/opinion/sunday/what-really-makes-us-fat.html?_r=0

What was done by Dr. Ludwig’s team has never been done before. First they took obese subjects and effectively semi-starved them until they’d lost 10 to 15 percent of their weight. Such weight-reduced subjects are particularly susceptible to gaining the weight back. Their energy expenditure drops precipitously and they burn fewer calories than people who naturally weigh the same. This means they have to continually fight their hunger just to maintain their weight loss. The belief is that weight loss causes “metabolic adaptations,” which make it almost inevitable that the weight will return. Dr. Ludwig’s team then measured how many calories these weight-reduced subjects expended daily, and that’s how many they fed them. But now the subjects were rotated through three very different diets, one month for each. They ate the same amount of calories on all three, equal to what they were expending after their weight loss, but the nutrient composition of the diets was very different.

One diet was low-fat and thus high in carbohydrates. This was the diet we’re all advised to eat: whole grains, fruits, vegetables, lean sources of protein. One diet had a low glycemic index: fewer carbohydrates in total, and those that were included were slow to be digested — from beans, non-starchy vegetables and other minimally processed sources. The third diet was Atkins, which is very low in carbohydrates and high in fat and protein.

The results were remarkable. Put most simply, the fewer carbohydrates consumed, the more energy these weight-reduced people expended. On the very low-carbohydrate Atkins diet, there was virtually no metabolic adaptation to the weight loss. These subjects expended, on average, only 100 fewer calories a day than they did at their full weights. Eight of the 21 subjects expended more than they did at their full weights — the opposite of the predicted metabolic compensation.

On the very low-carbohydrate diet, Dr. Ludwig’s subjects expended 300 more calories a day than they did on the low-fat diet and 150 calories more than on the low-glycemic-index diet. As Dr. Ludwig explained, when the subjects were eating low-fat diets, they’d have to add an hour of moderate-intensity physical activity each day to expend as much energy as they would effortlessly on the very-low-carb diet. And this while consuming the same amount of calories. If the physical activity made them hungrier — a likely assumption — maintaining weight on the low-fat, high-carb diet would be even harder. Why does this speak to the very cause of obesity? One way to think about this is to consider weight-reduced subjects as “pre-obese.” They’re almost assuredly going to get fatter, and so they can be research stand-ins — perhaps the best we have — for those of us who are merely predisposed to get fat but haven’t done so yet and might take a few years or decades longer to do it.

This is shocking stuff to a lot of people, but I've done enough research on it now that I have internalized it, and I now "know" it. So, I am not shocked by this anymore. It's fact to me- like the fact that there's no scientifically demonstrable link between human activity and changes in the climate. The difference here is that the science doesn't remain "out there" to be discovered. The facts are in. And because of my ideological predispositions, it's also no surprise to me that the government, the scientific community, big agribusiness, and other interests have fed us a load of low fat, high carbohydrate, processed, artificial, veggie baloney.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 23, 2013 23:04:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 23, 2013 22:27:25 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

I use it in almost everything I cook. With the coconut fat, I make whipped cream and ice cream (Stevia to sweeten). I fry with it because it doesn't burn.
I bake with it. I mix it with a little apple cider vinegar for salad dressing. A little added to the split ends in your hair works wonders.
I buy it in big containers at Costco. 


ETA. Yes it does have a bit of a coconut taste, but I find it's a pleasant.

I like coconut. Maybe I'll try it. Thanks.

The attack on coconut oil was one of the more egregious examples of the misguided and wild-eyed attacks on a food source by people that frankly just do not know what they're talking about.

www.thescreamonline.com/essays/essays5-1/vegoil.html

SATURATED FATS CAUSE HEART DISEASE. Unsaturated fats, especially polyunsaturated fats, balance hormones, strengthen the immune system, and prevent cancer, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, arthritis, and all types of inflammation. Some polyunsaturated fatty acids are so important to health that they are called essential fatty acids, or EFAs — you literally can’t be healthy without them. Polyunsaturated vegetable oils are the safest fats for cooking, especially deep-fat frying, and they’re the key ingredients in healthful salad dressings. Canola oil, flax seed oil, soy oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil, and other polyunsaturated vegetable oils are today’s true health foods.

Right?

“Wrong on all counts,” says Ray Peat, Ph.D., a physiologist who has studied hormones and dietary fats since 1968. According to Peat, every one of the above statements is incorrect. In fact, he says, the polyunsaturated fatty acids or PUFAs in vegetable seed oils are the bane of human health — they actually cause cancer, diabetes, obesity, aging, thrombosis, arthritis, and immunodeficiencies. Their only appropriate use, he says, is as ingredients in paints and varnishes.

Peat is not alone, for a growing number of reputable researchers, medical doctors, nutritionists, and health care practitioners share his views. Their discoveries, they say, may save your life.

By the way- the red meat causes cancer line never had any scientific evidence attached to it.  It's simply a scare tactic by radical animal rights activists.

[Opti]

Actually there are studies done on red meat and they are not done by animal rights activists.
Without seeing the actual studies I'm not sure their conclusions are valid but yes I read one just recently that said the risk of cancer increases with the number of red meat meals one has per week.

Diet research and philosphies are going to continue to evolve and change. The Atkins diet was developed to create a state of ketosis which is why one can eat more calories on that diet. Its also pretty hard on the kidneys and possibly the liver. The key is to find a diet that works for you. There are lots of people in India and China who eat a more carb based diet and yet remain thin. There are more factors in play I think than just diet and culture.

[zdaddy]

Paula admitting she used the N-word at one time or another isn't the real issue here. If that's all she stood accused of, then I would definitely give her the benefit of the doubt. What's really going on is she's facing a major discriminatory lawsuit where a former employee claims she forced African American staff to use separate entrances and bathrooms, as well as regularly called them "n-rs" and "monkeys" if she was unhappy with their performance. Her brother also allegedly treated female staff poorly and distributed hardcore porn around the office, which is a clear violation of sexual harrassment laws.

www.celebitchy.com/213132/former_employee_says_paula_deen_used_the_n_word_claims_deans_brother_sexually_harassed_her/

[swamp]

I don't care if Paul used the n word in her past.  She's a 60 year old woman from the south.  I'd be surprised if she didn't.

However, if there is any truth to her making black employees use different restrooms and entrances, that's just whacked. 

[kittensaver]

Jun 23, 2013 18:20:13 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 23, 2013 16:39:48 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

...Yes, we need to care so we can learn from other's mistakes and know when the cross hairs are on us.

The cross hairs are on you if you use racist, sexist, ageist, homophobic or sexual language in public situations.  Learned that one long ago.  Don't need to delve into this latest incident to learn it again.

Fixed

And may all your mistakes be new ones

[thyme4change]

I've never been a fan.  But I can't imagine that she has much left to talk about on her show.  Her food is very old-school, and it isn't like she is doing new things, and finding ways to incorporate new techniques or anything.  At some point, we all tire of all these people because they have told us everything they are going to tell us.  Much of the food they make on the network is standard home-cooking.  How many different ways can you cook a chicken?  Even if it is 1,000 ways or 2,000 ways or even 3,000 ways - we are pretty much done with you after a couple of years.  

[Opti]

Thanks for posting the link Zdaddy.

[NancysSummerSip]

Paula Deen will be fine. She'll likely go through the same "rehab" period that Robert Irvine did when he was booted off Food Network for lying on his resume (and shame on the network for not doing due diligence and catching that. Not that he wasn't responsible as well, however). Time will pass and she will be back.

And I think the issue is getting way too much press. Given the time and place Deen was raised, her use of the language, derogatory by any standards, was common when she grew up. I don't applaud her judgement for using it, but most of us have used language and made statements about other peoples' race or ethnicity that were not the wisest of choices. The PC police can be harsh on the most famous, and social media certainly does not help.

I'm not a fan of her cooking or her TV persona, but I do give her props for building an empire as a broke and divorced mother of two sons. She used the skills she had to get it done. As for the diabetes thing, she owes no one a thing as far as disclosure goes in reference to changing what and how she presents on her show. It's food television, with no guarantee to the viewer that it's real life, and no promise that what she does on her show is related to her own way of living. I'd prefer she was not a paid shill for a drug company, but that's her decision.

Supposedly, she has agreed to appear on the Today show this coming Wednesday after cancelling last week.

[Artemis Windsong]

The news media showed a video of her on a talk show where she brought out one of her closest, favorite friends who is "as black as the board behind them".  He did go on stage then gave Paula a hug.
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I don't know of any one who is innocent or not guilty in the discrimination area.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Jun 24, 2013 11:22:24 GMT -5 swamp said:

I don't care if Paul used the n word in her past.  She's a 60 year old woman from the south.  I'd be surprised if she didn't.

However, if there is any truth to her making black employees use different restrooms and entrances, that's just whacked. 

I can see that being a legitimate reason for the coverage and attacks...can't really see saying a derogatory work 30 years ago being a legitimate reason though.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 24, 2013 9:05:19 GMT -5 Opti said:

Actually there are studies done on red meat and they are not done by animal rights activists.
Without seeing the actual studies I'm not sure their conclusions are valid but yes I read one just recently that said the risk of cancer increases with the number of red meat meals one has per week.

Diet research and philosphies are going to continue to evolve and change. The Atkins diet was developed to create a state of ketosis which is why one can eat more calories on that diet. Its also pretty hard on the kidneys and possibly the liver. The key is to find a diet that works for you. There are lots of people in India and China who eat a more carb based diet and yet remain thin. There are more factors in play I think than just diet and culture.

Thin and healthy are two different things.

An elevated cholesterol level is associated with longevity, as is, btw, being moderately overweight (in the real world, not using BMI accounting).

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 25, 2013 13:32:37 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

Jun 24, 2013 11:22:24 GMT -5 swamp said:

I don't care if Paul used the n word in her past.  She's a 60 year old woman from the south.  I'd be surprised if she didn't.

However, if there is any truth to her making black employees use different restrooms and entrances, that's just whacked. 

I can see that being a legitimate reason for the coverage and attacks...can't really see saying a derogatory work 30 years ago being a legitimate reason though.

I have ZERO doubt that Paula Deen did NO such thing EVER as make her black employees use different restrooms.  Things are frequently alleged in lawsuits that sound outrageous, but the fact is that anyone can swear to anything in a complaint- and so long as there's no direct contradictory evidence (as in, it's "he said-she said", they'll never face any real penalties for doing so.

[billisonboard]

Jun 26, 2013 14:12:32 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

... I have ZERO doubt ..

Seems to be a recurring theme for you

[Opti]

I was thinking perhaps that means a cellphone recording of a recent n* slip will surface soon.











I see Paula confirms only one incident of the n-word even though what I read suggests Lisa Jackson believes she heard it in the discussion of Bubba's 2007 wedding with the "plantation style dress" discussed for only black waiters. So is she telling the truth or doing the equivalent of Clinton's I did not have sex with that woman?