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Post by Shooby on Jun 17, 2013 14:09:36 GMT -5
I have no idea but she is far worse off with NO JOB then with one. Sheesh.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 17, 2013 14:11:05 GMT -5
Former - In my area Catholic Schools pay 85% of the public school rate, and we never have any problems filling open positions since there is a strong parent support base for the teachers. In addition, children of teachers get free tuition so there is that to consider as well.
ETA - in my district the average salary is $86K. Yes there are a few which are lower but the majority are at this amount or higher.
85% of that amount is $73K. Not bad for 8 months of work. Not to say it isn't earned but still, not bad pay.
Now what Catholic teachers do not get is a rich state pension, they pay social security taxes like the rest of us and are entitled to SS.
In my state public school teachers do NOT pay SS taxes, only pay 7% of their pay (or so) into the pension fund AND collect pensions after 30 years that are in excess of what they earned most of their working years.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 17, 2013 14:22:27 GMT -5
It seems that as you see all women who marry loser men as morons who don't love their children, you also see all abusers as vindictive psychos plotting to shoot up public places to take revenge on their ex's. You seem to have an unusual & very negative view on much of the world. But, seeing as how this is your belief, then their is nothing I can say to otherwise show you that it is ridiculous to think the children were in danger simply because he violated the restraining order by driving through a parking lot 1 time in the two years since a divorce. But, you have your opinion & I have mine. I am guessing you also think she is an idiot & blame her for reproducing with a man of this caliber also, since we know only stupid women would marry or procreate with a loser. So, I can see why you have little empathy for her current situation & fully support the school in firing her ass rather than finding a more christian solution. So, you can't refute the argument and instead are restorting to personal attacks. Typical of you. LOL! Didn't know that was my typical pattern. I am merely pointing out your typical pattern in insulting women that may have may a poor decision in who to marry, which shows a huge lack of empathy. Sorry if you find it insulting to have your pattern pointed out. I didn't continue refuting because basically I would be repeating myself. No point in that since you didn't listen to the argument the first time around. No point in forever talking in circles when at the end we both have our opinions & won't change them.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 17, 2013 14:24:55 GMT -5
FYI, she was making $37K/yr. Not really bad for a teacher, although tough for a HCOL area.
Am I the only one that read a bunch of articles on the subject to gain this sort of information?
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Post by The Captain on Jun 17, 2013 14:48:00 GMT -5
FYI, she was making $37K/yr. Not really bad for a teacher, although tough for a HCOL area.
Am I the only one that read a bunch of articles on the subject to gain this sort of information? That's insane! Check my earlier post which I just edited. Curious, where did you find this data?
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 17, 2013 14:58:12 GMT -5
This isn't necessairly the case. He shows up, she calls the police, and he leaves before the police arrive, since he's already succeeded in his objective of scaring the crap out of his ex wife. At that point, it becomes a case of 'He said she said'. The police can't just arrest a guy without any proof that he violated the restraining order, and it is not unheard of for women to make false reports or make an honest mistake. The woman down the street has a order of protection and they won't arrest him even if he is still there after the police get there. That is ofcourse if they even come out. Most of the time they just tell her that they are too busy to come out and enforce it unless there was a actual crime commited. I also woudn't allow my kids to go to a school where they would be forced into lockdown to protect from a known threat. I really feel bad for her, but my number one priority is to my kids first. the best advice I have for this woman is to just leave town and not give a forwarding address to the psycho.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 17, 2013 15:01:42 GMT -5
Which she can't do because HE has rights.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 17, 2013 15:21:25 GMT -5
Maybe they suspected he was going to get out of his car. If there was no risk of that happening and it was all just mass hysteria, hopefully the next victim won't notify his/her employers and spark mass hysteria for nothing. And?....I think we are talking about two different things here. I am saying that had she never notified the school of the restraining order & he had proceed to do exactly what he did - drive through the lot, then should would not have lost her job. Are you saying this is untrue? Why would they be worried about him getting out of his car if they had no knowledge of a restraining order? ETA - also you are exactly right, the next victim won't notify the school regardless of risk. Why risk losing my job to prevent a possible incident if I am going to get fired regardless of whether an incident occurs. Firstly, I don't know that all he did do was drive through the lot. I know that his car was spotted. Where are you getting your info from? Secondly, it isn't unreasonable to assume that he might have caused trouble had there not been security staff and an immediate reaction to his showing up. Thirdly, even if we accept the absurd notion that the next victim bases his/her decision on nothing but the outcome of one obscure case in California, I'm saying that maybe it's a good thing that the next victim doesn't notify the school. You and others have gone to great lengths to point out that there is a "1/1,000,000" (one in a million) chance that an angry ex-husband poses a genuine threat, and you seem utterly convinced that the school went into a needless panic in response to Martin Charlesworth showing up. Likewise, you've rejected our contention that the diocese made a fair and reasonable risk assessment. They're obviously incapable of reasonably assessing risks to their students. Logically we should expect the next school board will be no more capable, hence everything turns out better if the next victim doesn't notify them, which would create a needless panic when her ex-husband shows up and puts her job needlessly in jeopardy. So huzzah! We've set a precedent that will prevent needless panic in the future, with the bonus that a domestic abuse victim is under no obligation to disclose issues even if she'd prefer they remained private.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2013 15:34:14 GMT -5
FYI, she was making $37K/yr. Not really bad for a teacher, although tough for a HCOL area.
Am I the only one that read a bunch of articles on the subject to gain this sort of information? Why would we need actual information to argue anything? I can be right without knowing any actual facts or having a single shred of experience with whatever we are talking about.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 17, 2013 15:36:46 GMT -5
FYI, she was making $37K/yr. Not really bad for a teacher, although tough for a HCOL area.
Am I the only one that read a bunch of articles on the subject to gain this sort of information? That's insane! Check my earlier post which I just edited. Curious, where did you find this data? One of the articles I posted previously: articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/14/local/la-me-0615-catholic-teacher-20130615
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Post by Angel! on Jun 17, 2013 15:41:59 GMT -5
And?....I think we are talking about two different things here. I am saying that had she never notified the school of the restraining order & he had proceed to do exactly what he did - drive through the lot, then should would not have lost her job. Are you saying this is untrue? Why would they be worried about him getting out of his car if they had no knowledge of a restraining order? ETA - also you are exactly right, the next victim won't notify the school regardless of risk. Why risk losing my job to prevent a possible incident if I am going to get fired regardless of whether an incident occurs. Firstly, I don't know that all he did do was drive through the lot. I know that his car was spotted. Where are you getting your info from? From all the articles I have read on this, several of which I have posted. One of which I posted & described the non-incident after pages of assumptions about him kicking the principal & such. I can go back & find my post if you need. Sigh....Which is why I said IF. We really can't assume anything about whether or not his actions changed based on the security. But, my actual post was referring to the fact that IF he made the same actions, she would still have a job. Am I really having that much trouble explaining myself here? We have also set a precedent for DV victims to not talk about their experiences. I've already shared why I would tell no one if I got hit again. This is just another reason for victims to suffer in silence. Huzzah!
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Post by Angel! on Jun 17, 2013 15:52:24 GMT -5
FYI, she was making $37K/yr. Not really bad for a teacher, although tough for a HCOL area.
Am I the only one that read a bunch of articles on the subject to gain this sort of information? Why would we need actual information to argue anything? I can be right without knowing any actual facts or having a single shred of experience with whatever we are talking about. Ah yes, the YM way.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 17, 2013 15:58:45 GMT -5
And IF he'd made the same actions, it would have been better if Ms. Charlesworth had said nothing to the school board. We've established that.
To avoid causing needless mass panic, where the public disclosure is of no benefit whatsoever to the victim? Huzzah it is.
You're implying that the alternative to the victim suffering is an end to the suffering. In this case, the alternative to the victim suffering is the victim still suffering and a school suffering along with her. There's no justice in that.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 17, 2013 16:16:28 GMT -5
And IF he'd made the same actions, it would have been better if Ms. Charlesworth had said nothing to the school board. We've established that. Well it seemed like you spent several posts arguing with me on that fact, so it didn't seem established at all: We know nothing of the sort.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 17, 2013 16:31:24 GMT -5
You were taking "his actions" to be showing up at the school and doing nothing. I was taking "his actions" to be showing up at the school and doing whatever he'd planned on doing had the school not been locked down, which might have been nothing but might not have been.
It goes back to the same issue you raised in Reply #507 about your big "IF". Our 'IF's concern two different hypotheticals.
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