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Post by deziloooooo on May 31, 2013 11:58:43 GMT -5
according to the attached article...seems with all the publicity little really is being done to stop it... news.yahoo.com/rape-victim-retaliation-prevalent-military-021740188.html;_ylt=AmbOTI.njJns.WEuMl8rTP8JVux_;_ylu=X3oDMTJhYmxtcjU4BG1pdANBVFQgMyBTdG9yeSBKdW1ib3Ryb24gSG9tZSBDYWNoZWQEcG9zAzIzBHNlYwNNZWRpYUF0dFdpZGdldHJvbkFzc2VtYmx5;_ylg=X3oDMTFkcW51ZGliBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3BtaA--;_ylv=3That those in charge..when these attacks are reported, don't take them more seriously is beyond my comprehension...I wonder if there shouldn't be a seperate department of military justice..a department with in the department of crime prevention...MP division that just concentrates on such alleged crimes..all reports by victims go straight to them by passing the chain of command by victims.. 26,000 attacks a year...probably most against the youngest and most vulnerable ..just not right. I know a young lady..daughter of a friend who is a Medical Doctor..one more year of residency..pediatrics..with a hugh, hugh education debt..over $400,000..I asked her mother a while ago if she thought of putting a tour into the military..depending how long a tour..they would pick up a big amount of her debt..even pick up advance degree work.. Mom mentioned to me she had heard of the sexual attacks...it's known or rumored..and even though she would enter service as a officer..Captain I believe for Medical Doctors..not as enlisted ..much less chance of any wrong doing against her...still the rumor of...she wouldn't even consider it..entering military service.. Not saying she would have been a good candidate for...but I am sure she is not the only one shying away because of such allegations... Time served in military prisons is not easy time...if military did take these allegations seriously and did put away those found guilty I believe that in this case..hard time would be a detriment and seriously considered by potential perps and would be taken seriously..even more serious then the normal perp in civilien world..In this case there is bad conduct discharges..heavy time , loss of careers to consider. |
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Post by bean29 on Jun 5, 2013 1:11:05 GMT -5
Who says we are not concerned. What do you expect us to say/do?
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 5, 2013 1:52:59 GMT -5
I agree with bean, dezi. I don't think it's so much that people don't care as that there's really nothing we, as civilian citizens, can do about this. Unless a victim or witness reports these things and the media get wind of them, we don't even know they happen. Our hands are tied here. This has to be in the hands of military leadership. It's up to them.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 5, 2013 8:43:15 GMT -5
I agree with bean, dezi. I don't think it's so much that people don't care as that there's really nothing we, as civilian citizens, can do about this. Unless a victim or witness reports these things and the media get wind of them, we don't even know they happen. Our hands are tied here. This has to be in the hands of military leadership. It's up to them. My comments were put there because of no comments, one way or the other ...pardon..there was one...by members here on original thread posting.. As far as nothing one can do...on most of the threads here there are comments on the topic...not saying anyone can do anything really regarding the topic...Actually on thi9s one..the problem seems that it HAS been left in the hands of the leadership of the military..the pofessionals..Generals, Admirals and they , for what ever reason, have done a terrible job setting the correct tone on aceeptability and responsibility...cases supposedly rising in one year from 19,000 to 26,000 and if there are that many known and reported..one has to wonder how many more incidents and attacks, rapes have been occuring...40/50thousand...more?? That is why Congress seems to be taking a hand in this....not trusting military leadership to get a handle on it..having the POTUS having to get involved too... Don't agree with you at all as far as little one can do...as in any problem the country seems to face..it seems private citizens can and do do a lot...biggest one seems to be letting elected officials know how one feels about it.. * If you have a problem with moderator action, take it to PMs, or an email to moonbeam, Dezi, as per our CoC. - mmhmm, Administrator Really much ado about nothing IMHO....but what ever.... |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 5, 2013 9:00:32 GMT -5
My gut tells me....and don't jump all over me about this....that the biggest reason nothing much has been done about this problem is that some of the senior military members in power may have also assaulted women and got away with it. Also that they really resent women even being in their boy's club. Possible though I will not suggest top leadership were possible ones who attacked other..female..members of the Armed Forces.. The thing is , woman have been very important memebers of the military for some time..serving in just about all positions in the Navy..except submarine duty and even there that is changing..in combate riolls..they fly fighters and choppers...fire the missles...Same in the Army except in actual front line combate units...yet right behind those units in combate units..artillery..chioppers and flying fighters and in the future due to the down sizing of the military..will be even more important in the future..possible doing any and all jobs iof qualified..even front line combat..infantry There are plenty of weapons in the military code of conduct and law enforcement end of the service..stockades...{not easy time } and military prisons too...plus career ending punishments... To many of these attacks are on very inexperienced younger troop who due to their newness to the system and the way the military is structured are very vulnerable..I don't know how much instruction is giiven to new recruits..both male and female...but if there is one thing the military is good at is instruction and getting the message of how things should be done out there...Im am sure the message is getting outn there bu8t it seems once a crime is reported..then something seems to fall down....no excuse for that... Funny thing is..on some of the threads here on gun control...how many States allow carrying now and how many woman do carry , personal protection, and have access to fire arms..in the military..with all that fire power..on bases ..in barracks...unless in certain type units ..the right to carry is not there..the right to have personal weapons handy in living quarters is not allowed...just a thought, not saying it should change.... |
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Post by zdaddy on Jun 5, 2013 11:55:19 GMT -5
My gut tells me....and don't jump all over me about this....that the biggest reason nothing much has been done about this problem is that some of the senior military members in power may have also assaulted women and got away with it. Also that they really resent women even being in their boy's club. As a former Army NCO, I think that could be true for some leaders but is probably not the case for most officers/NCOs. Rather, many are good soldiers who are scared that the actions of one or two bad apples will jepeordize their careers.Let's say a company commander is on leave visiting his dying mother. His lieutenant is left in charge and assaults one of the new incoming soldiers. It doesn't matter that he wasn't anywhere base when it happened. The captain's career is essentially over if the case gets out, and there is therefore a strong incentive to downplay or bury the case. A major improvement would be to give commanders amnesty as long as they weren't involved in the assaults and immediately followed up with an investigation. Honestly, the military probably needs more outside oversight by say the FBI to at least get their house in order. Weapons are locked up in the armory when a unit is in garrison, so in the case of the woman raped in Japan she would not have been armed unless she was either headed to the rifle range for training or she was in the military police. Of course assaults do take place in combat zones, but the first thing a higher-rank predator will do is disarm their victim (hey, let me inspect your rifle soldier). And then there's the fear in the moment that if she shoots her superior, she's facing the possibility of life in Leavenworth if nobody believes her story of self defense. |
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 5, 2013 12:47:52 GMT -5
I agree with bean, dezi. I don't think it's so much that people don't care as that there's really nothing we, as civilian citizens, can do about this. Unless a victim or witness reports these things and the media get wind of them, we don't even know they happen. Our hands are tied here. This has to be in the hands of military leadership. It's up to them. My comments were put there because of no comments, one way or the other ...pardon..there was one...by members here on original thread posting.. As far as nothing one can do...on most of the threads here there are comments on the topic...not saying anyone can do anything really regarding the topic...Actually on thi9s one..the problem seems that it HAS been left in the hands of the leadership of the military..the pofessionals..Generals, Admirals and they , for what ever reason, have done a terrible job setting the correct tone on aceeptability and responsibility...cases supposedly rising in one year from 19,000 to 26,000 and if there are that many known and reported..one has to wonder how many more incidents and attacks, rapes have been occuring...40/50thousand...more?? That is why Congress seems to be taking a hand in this....not trusting military leadership to get a handle on it..having the POTUS having to get involved too... Don't agree with you at all as far as little one can do...as in any problem the country seems to face..it seems private citizens can and do do a lot...biggest one seems to be letting elected officials know how one feels about it.. I was really surprised by your post...it seems any so called criticism that one might post here about anything to do with the proboard you are all up in arms about..My criticism was really only a observation of....no biggie...yet your out there with banners and lance astride the steed defending what ever .... Really much ado about nothing IMHO....but what ever.... I'm not sure what you mean by "much ado about nothing", Dezi. It seems to me you felt this was important enough to post, and were bent out of shape because it didn't get a lot of responses. Where's the "much ado"? Looked to me like you were upset because there wasn't enough "ado". I answered your post at a very early hour of the morning because I'd been unceremoniously awaked by a non-crisis. My response, therefore, wasn't worded very well. My bad, most definitely. What I was trying to say was this: There isn't much to debate in this matter. I don't think there's anyone on this board who's in favor of sexual assaults, whether in the military or in our everyday worlds. It's wrong, and there are laws against it. Still, there are new victims of sexual assault every day. What is there to be said about it, really, that hasn't been said more times than anybody wants to think about? It doesn't change. I stated this is a matter that needs to be addressed by military leadership. I'm pretty sure those who post in P&M are more interested than most in what goes on out there, and I'd be willing to wager we're more active than the average Joe in contacting our representatives about that which concerns us. Still, we cannot do what needs to be done. Only military leadership can. Basically, we're saying the same thing, Dezi. The problem is, there's nothing here to debate. Bringing ProBoards into the discussion doesn't provide something to debate and has nothing to do with the topic. |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 5, 2013 13:40:32 GMT -5
My comments were put there because of no comments, one way or the other ...pardon..there was one...by members here on original thread posting.. As far as nothing one can do...on most of the threads here there are comments on the topic...not saying anyone can do anything really regarding the topic...Actually on thi9s one..the problem seems that it HAS been left in the hands of the leadership of the military..the pofessionals..Generals, Admirals and they , for what ever reason, have done a terrible job setting the correct tone on aceeptability and responsibility...cases supposedly rising in one year from 19,000 to 26,000 and if there are that many known and reported..one has to wonder how many more incidents and attacks, rapes have been occuring...40/50thousand...more?? That is why Congress seems to be taking a hand in this....not trusting military leadership to get a handle on it..having the POTUS having to get involved too... Don't agree with you at all as far as little one can do...as in any problem the country seems to face..it seems private citizens can and do do a lot...biggest one seems to be letting elected officials know how one feels about it.. I was really surprised by your post...it seems any so called criticism that one might post here about anything to do with the proboard you are all up in arms about..My criticism was really only a observation of....no biggie...yet your out there with banners and lance astride the steed defending what ever .... Really much ado about nothing IMHO....but what ever.... I'm not sure what you mean by "much ado about nothing", Dezi. It seems to me you felt this was important enough to post, and were bent out of shape because it didn't get a lot of responses. Where's the "much ado"? Looked to me like you were upset because there wasn't enough "ado". I answered your post at a very early hour of the morning because I'd been unceremoniously awaked by a non-crisis. My response, therefore, wasn't worded very well. My bad, most definitely. What I was trying to say was this: There isn't much to debate in this matter. I don't think there's anyone on this board who's in favor of sexual assaults, whether in the military or in our everyday worlds. It's wrong, and there are laws against it. Still, there are new victims of sexual assault every day. What is there to be said about it, really, that hasn't been said more times than anybody wants to think about? It doesn't change. I stated this is a matter that needs to be addressed by military leadership. I'm pretty sure those who post in P&M are more interested than most in what goes on out there, and I'd be willing to wager we're more active than the average Joe in contacting our representatives about that which concerns us. Still, we cannot do what needs to be done. Only military leadership can. Basically, we're saying the same thing, Dezi. The problem is, there's nothing here to debate. Bringing ProBoards into the discussion doesn't provide something to debate and has nothing to do with the topic. "were bent out of shape"...don't know where your getting the idea that I was / am "bent out of shape.."..just making a Observation...thats all..one short comment...not bent out of shape and I mentioned what one can do ... The military is completely different then civilien life..thats why they have different rules and laws...completly different code...one is how much one has to trust their fellow comrades in uniform and especially NCO's and officers ...different then civilien superiors..foreman , upper management... As one has said here who had served...feels most officers and NCO's understand that code but the reality is the known incidents are increasing at a alarming rate..and who knows what the real unreported rate of incidents are...Just from a realistic standpoint..it costs a lot to train military personnel..a valuable resource and this does nothing to help keep personnel around when they are most valuable..giving the best bang for the buck...say second and third tours of duty..very experienced, well trained for the most part..able to complete their missions well..even if one has not been one attacked..they know who has and it has to enter into their decision to reup... My time in service..seems like yesterday but in reality a life time ago..very few woman that I ran into beyond medical personnel and since it was a shooting war, little interaction with those not in the actual active part of my service..either male or female and when that was over , then out...not a professional service of volunteers beyond those opting for RA service...some how itn seems something stinks intodays military and it has reached the point here then civiliens {politicians} seem to have to get into the action whether they want to or not..to try and clean up the mess.... The one who mentioned how weapons are kept under lock and key in garrison does bring out a good point...if deadly force used against a attacker..now you have ones word against another and one is a superior to the other..military as I said earlier..it is a different animal..different rules..possible as much as leadership want to keep chain of command on this..possible best if seperate department of the military justice system handled these cases..taking the responsibility away from the chain of command...doesn't mean there is no investigation of..to find out he real facts of the matter..penalties for false accusations would still be a major no no ...penalty for too...bad conduct discharge is a major problem...bad paper can haunt some one for life... |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 5, 2013 13:44:33 GMT -5
I agree with bean, dezi. I don't think it's so much that people don't care as that there's really nothing we, as civilian citizens, can do about this. Unless a victim or witness reports these things and the media get wind of them, we don't even know they happen. Our hands are tied here. This has to be in the hands of military leadership. It's up to them. My comments were put there because of no comments, one way or the other ...pardon..there was one...by members here on original thread posting.. As far as nothing one can do...on most of the threads here there are comments on the topic...not saying anyone can do anything really regarding the topic...Actually on thi9s one..the problem seems that it HAS been left in the hands of the leadership of the military..the pofessionals..Generals, Admirals and they , for what ever reason, have done a terrible job setting the correct tone on aceeptability and responsibility...cases supposedly rising in one year from 19,000 to 26,000 and if there are that many known and reported..one has to wonder how many more incidents and attacks, rapes have been occuring...40/50thousand...more?? That is why Congress seems to be taking a hand in this....not trusting military leadership to get a handle on it..having the POTUS having to get involved too... Don't agree with you at all as far as little one can do...as in any problem the country seems to face..it seems private citizens can and do do a lot...biggest one seems to be letting elected officials know how one feels about it.. * If you have a problem with moderator action, take it to PMs, or an email to moonbeam, Dezi, as per our CoC. - mmhmm, Administrator Really much ado about nothing IMHO....but what ever.... "* If you have a problem with moderator action, take it to PMs, or an email to moonbeam, Dezi, as per our CoC. - mmhmm, Administrator" I just notice this remark..I have no problem with you as a moderator..I was disagreeing with your assessment as a poster..now what are you...you make it that one is afraid to reply or disagree with you as a poster because you also are a moderator...I suggest yo step back and rethink the necessity of feeling why you had to put that remark into your post... |
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 5, 2013 19:38:56 GMT -5
Those are the reported ones. There's tons unreported because you know what will happen-nothing.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 5, 2013 19:45:30 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 5, 2013 19:46:14 GMT -5
Those are the reported ones. There's tons unreported because you know what will happen-nothing. Agreed, zib. I'm sure we don't hear the half of what goes on, and neither does anyone else. |
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jun 6, 2013 11:49:13 GMT -5
I think it is important to note that sexual assault isn't only rape, but any form of inappropriate touching can also be included in this as well. Not saying any of it is right and shouldn't be dealt with...not even downplaying it because it shouldn't be tolerated....just from conversations I've had, there seems to be the thought that it only means rape.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 6, 2013 12:10:20 GMT -5
Sounds to me like the matter is being taken seriously. That's as it should be, as far as I'm concerned. We'll have to wait and see what changes are put in place, and how those changes affect the problem as it exists today. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 6, 2013 19:22:32 GMT -5
There's your women and gays in the military. Congratulations, lefties. You made this mess.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 6, 2013 19:45:25 GMT -5
There's your women and gays in the military. Congratulations, lefties. You made this mess. Bull hockey. The ones who made "this mess" are the ones who assault and rape. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 6, 2013 21:05:44 GMT -5
I believe the title of the thread is 26,000 sexual attacks IN the military. Just staying on topic. How about you? |
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I believe the title of the thread is 26,000 sexual attacks IN the military. Just staying on topic. How about you? Gotcha. You have no defense. Women and gays had nothing to do with the rape of these Okinawan women by U.S. service men. Whether it occurs with in the military or outside, it is still reprehensible conduct and the admittance of women and openly gay service members has nothing to do with it. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 6, 2013 23:31:13 GMT -5
I believe the title of the thread is 26,000 sexual attacks IN the military. Just staying on topic. How about you? Gotcha. You have no defense. Women and gays had nothing to do with the rape of these Okinawan women by U.S. service men. Whether it occurs with in the military or outside, it is still reprehensible conduct and the admittance of women and openly gay service members has nothing to do with it. I don't need to defend something I never said, or implied. My comment was with reference to sexual attacks IN the military- and those, I believe, can be shown to be a direct result of the proximity of men and women in the service. I was in the submarine service when some dim bulb had the bright idea to put women on submarines. It's a patently stupid idea- and asking for trouble. I think they've gone and done it now- or they're about to. It's stupid. And when you do stupid things, stupid things result. This is not a surprise to me. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 6, 2013 23:49:38 GMT -5
There's your women and gays in the military. Congratulations, lefties. You made this mess.  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 7, 2013 9:08:48 GMT -5
Gotcha. You have no defense. Women and gays had nothing to do with the rape of these Okinawan women by U.S. service men. Whether it occurs with in the military or outside, it is still reprehensible conduct and the admittance of women and openly gay service members has nothing to do with it. I don't need to defend something I never said, or implied. My comment was with reference to sexual attacks IN the military- and those, I believe, can be shown to be a direct result of the proximity of men and women in the service. I was in the submarine service when some dim bulb had the bright idea to put women on submarines. It's a patently stupid idea- and asking for trouble. I think they've gone and done it now- or they're about to. It's stupid. And when you do stupid things, stupid things result. This is not a surprise to me. My examples of rapes in Okinawa involved rapists who were IN the U.S. military and representatives of the United States. It doesn't matter if the rape victim was a female member of the military or a female civilian in a country where troops are based or visit. Rape is rape is it not? And your response speaks very poorly of men in the military. You seem to say male members of the U.S. military have no control of their sexual urges and putting females in submarines or elsewhere causes men to become monsters.. Blaming the sexual assaults because women and gays are allowed in the military is just more crap nonsense that you extracted from PullItOutOfYourAssLand. |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 7, 2013 11:37:11 GMT -5
I don't need to defend something I never said, or implied. My comment was with reference to sexual attacks IN the military- and those, I believe, can be shown to be a direct result of the proximity of men and women in the service. I was in the submarine service when some dim bulb had the bright idea to put women on submarines. It's a patently stupid idea- and asking for trouble. I think they've gone and done it now- or they're about to. It's stupid. And when you do stupid things, stupid things result. This is not a surprise to me. My examples of rapes in Okinawa involved rapists who were IN the U.S. military and representatives of the United States. It doesn't matter if the rape victim was a female member of the military or a female civilian in a country where troops are based or visit. Rape is rape is it not? And your response speaks very poorly of men in the military. You seem to say male members of the U.S. military have no control of their sexual urges and putting females in submarines or elsewhere causes men to become monsters.. Blaming the sexual assaults because women and gays are allowed in the military is just more crap nonsense that you extracted from PullItOutOfYourAssLand.  ...and if it wasn't such a seriouse crime wih so many innocent victems I would hav followed it up wih the 'Laughing it's A-- off one too..very good Tenn |
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 8, 2013 15:15:08 GMT -5
A major general in the United States Army has been suspended from his duties as commander of forces in Japan over accusations he failed to “report or properly investigate an allegation of sexual assault,” the Department of Defense said Friday. The decision about Maj. Gen. Michael T. Harrison was taken by Secretary of the Army John McHugh and Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno, according to a statement. “Maj. Gen. Harrison was suspended following actions taken today by due to allegations that Harrison failed in his duties as a commander to report or properly investigate an allegation of sexual assault,” the statement said. Harrison was also suspended from his duties as commanding general of I Corps (Forward). The statement said that Maj. Gen. James C. Boozer, the former deputy commanding general of United States Army Europe, would serve as the interim commander “until the investigation is complete and the issue resolved.” link |
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Robert not Bobby
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Jun 8, 2013 15:55:12 GMT -5
That is alarming.
You get a bunch of underprivileged 18 year olds and put them in a uniform and tell them that they are warriors defending freedom and the American Way…and all sorts of unexpected shit happens…Also, and to be fair, all sorts of incredible selfless heroism happens. Some of them are truly a special breed.
Maybe some of these people were never brought up right; to respect women? And we criticize other cultures…
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Post by Queen of Interesting Nuts on Jun 9, 2013 17:53:17 GMT -5
I think it is fuxxing disgusting, disgusting and like most here just don't know what to say or do. I am a military family. How disgusting, PIGS. I lost respect for the military male when I went to visit a friend and not kidding it was nearly an orgy. DISGUSTING.. he is now a senior chief. So maybe one of the posts above is true, leadership is nasty too.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 10, 2013 14:12:10 GMT -5
Came across a interesting article quoting Senator mcCain , June 5th...also some interesting comments and thoughts regarding militarys wanting to keep seriouse crimes decisions ion prosecution and handling in the hands of commanders.. Personally I can see keeping mundane/ run of the mill infractions in the hands of commanding officers...non court martial events..company punishments and such..not everything needs to end up with time in the stockade/ brige or heavier..but when it comes to seriouse events, and I count sexual attacks as a seriouse event..I believe those trained in this type of event are better suited to make decisions as to how to proceed in these events..how seriouse to take these accusations...Commanders are NOT trained in these things...trained to be leaders and commanders in their particuler field and position and responsibility.. www.military.com/daily-news/2013/06/05/mccain-advises-women-to-avoid-the-military.html?comp=7000023435630&rank=3Excerpts from McCain article ...:
"The Pentagon estimated in May 26,000 military members experienced "unwanted sexual contact" last year, up from 2011's 19,000 cases.
Yet only a fraction of that number -- 3,374 -- filed sexual-assault reports with military police or prosecutors, the annual Pentagon report said.
Defense officials say most victims don't press charges because they fear retaliation or banishment from their units.
The military chiefs testified Tuesday they were open to new laws requiring tougher action against sex offenders and more support to victims.
But they sharply resisted a bill co-sponsored by a fifth of the Senate that would strip commanders of the authority to oversee criminal sexual-crime cases.
The bill would instead give that authority to military prosecutors.
"Removing commanders, making commanders less responsible, less accountable, will not work," Army Chief of Staff Gen. Raymond Odierno said, explaining the change would undermine the military culture by questioning unit commanders' judgment.
But Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., the lead sponsor of the bill, said military leaders had already "lost the trust of the men and women who rely on you that you will actually bring justice in these cases."
In a spirited defense of the bill, Gillibrand said many U.S. allies -- including Britain, Germany, Israel and Australia -- had already "taken the serious crimes out of the chain of command ... [because] not all commanders are objective."
"Not every single commander necessarily wants women in the force, not every single commander believes what a sexual assault is, not every single commander can distinguish between a slap on the ass and a rape because they merge all of these crimes together."
Removing serious sexual crimes from the chain of command is critical, Gillibrand said.
"This has been done before, by our allies, to great effect," she said. "In fact, in Israel, in the last five years, because they prosecuted high-level cases, do you know what has increased by 80 percent? |
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