Florida strikes again- on teen sex- selective prosecution?

[EVT1]

No-you have a teenage girl in the middle of a shitstorm started by her parents and the media.  She already said she knew it was wrong.  And maximum sentences are not for people that need to think about it- they are for the people commiting the worst crimes in that category.  0-15 is quite a large category.  15 years would be an outrage and probably tossed out on appeal- see the GA case.  And - she is a first time offender, there are extenuating circumstances, and she shows no propensity to recidivate.

I think the FL law is too harsh-as it makes no difference between an 18yo and a 50yo.  I also do not consider willing participants victims automatically.  There is consent involved- the law makes that distinction even though there is no technical consent available.

I just don't think it is in the interests of society to make her a felon.  That's overkill.

But- where do you stand?  Should other states swing towards FL law- the most punitive, or should FL swing towards the rest of the country?

And- while you may not have read earlier posts- how do you reconcile consent from minors to sex with consent to commit adult crimes and be charged as such- which also FL leads the country in?

This is no felony no matter how you look at it.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 12, 2013 21:39:11 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

No-you have a teenage girl in the middle of a shitstorm started by her parents and the media.  She already said she knew it was wrong.  And maximum sentences are not for people that need to think about it- they are for the people commiting the worst crimes in that category.  0-15 is quite a large category.  15 years would be an outrage and probably tossed out on appeal- see the GA case.  And - she is a first time offender, there are extenuating circumstances, and she shows no propensity to recidivate.

I think the FL law is too harsh-as it makes no difference between an 18yo and a 50yo.  I also do not consider willing participants victims automatically.  There is consent involved- the law makes that distinction even though there is no technical consent available.

I just don't think it is in the interests of society to make her a felon.  That's overkill.

But- where do you stand?  Should other states swing towards FL law- the most punitive, or should FL swing towards the rest of the country?

And- while you may not have read earlier posts- how do you reconcile consent from minors to sex with consent to commit adult crimes and be charged as such- which also FL leads the country in?

This is no felony no matter how you look at it.

Well, I can't deny that you make some fair points.  I am just personally disgusted by the offender's apparent disconnect.  I'd like to see some indication that she "gets it".

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

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[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

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OK, now you're all just messing with me. 

[Tennesseer]

This is a bit creepy. While she was a virgin and18, he was 39. I see no reason to disbelieve her as she had zero to gain (other than selling a few extra copies of her book) when she wrote her memoir at the age of 79.

Gipper was no Ron Juan (Actress Piper Laurie claims she lost her virginity with Ronald Reagan)

New York Post Posted on Mon Nov 14 2011 13:40:25 GMT-0600 (CST)

He wasn’t the “great communicator” in the sack.

Actress Piper Laurie describes Ronald Reagan -- who played her dad in a movie and then bedded the 18-year-old virgin off the set --as an insensitive “show-off” in bed in her new memoir, “Learning to Live Out Loud.”

Laurie played the teenage daughter of the future president, then 39, in the 1950 film “Louisa.”

At the time, Reagan was no longer married to actress Jane Wyman and had not yet started dating Wife No. 2, the former Nancy Davis, when he started flirting with the ingenue, insisting she call him “Ronnie.”

“I was quite flattered by his fatherly attention,” said Laurie, who was later nominated for Oscars for her roles in “The Hustler,” “Carrie” and “Children of a Lesser God.”

The Gipper made his move on the starlet by inviting her to dinner, after getting permission from her mom.

Instead of taking her out, he cooked her dinner at his home, serving hamburgers.

“It was my first love affair,” she said.

But the bedroom romp later that night was “without grace.”

“He made sure I was aware of the length of time he had been ‘ardent.’ It was 40 minutes,” she writes. “And he told me how much the condom cost.”

Then, sensing Laurie was less than enthused by the experience, he insulted her.

“There’s something wrong with you. You should have had many orgasms by now -- after all this time. You’ve got to see a doctor,” he said.

www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2807326/posts

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Well, that's easy enough to explain.  Nobody knows who the hell Piper Laurie is.  But they sure know the name of Ronald Reagan.  It's a common tactic used by old washed up tarts to make ends meet.  Sell a "tell all" book.  Oh, and look- the story is featured in The New York Post- which would love to double their readership from 3 to 6.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Then again, Reagan may well have been a first class asshole at that time.  After all, he was a UNION boss AND a DEMOCRAT at the time...

[zibazinski]

I actually do know who Piper Laurie is and she would need the money for sure which s why she would tell this Tory. 

[Tennesseer]

Jun 17, 2013 21:53:53 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I actually do know who Piper Laurie is and she would need the money for sure which s why she would tell this Tory. 

Give me some facts why you claim Piper Laurie needs the money.  Facts only not what you think.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 17, 2013 19:37:09 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Then again, Reagan may well have been a first class asshole at that time.  After all, he was a UNION boss AND a DEMOCRAT at the time...

Reagan was probably a member of the "libertine" party.

[zibazinski]

What movies have you seen her in in the last thirty years? The last one I saw her in was in a very sad flick with a young Mel Gibson. Before he became a name. I'm sure he'd like to forget he was ever in it. She wasn't anything ever, really. Another Ingrid Thulin.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 17, 2013 22:37:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 17, 2013 21:53:53 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I actually do know who Piper Laurie is and she would need the money for sure which s why she would tell this Tory. 

Give me some facts why you claim Piper Laurie needs the money.  Facts only not what you think.

Want to supply me with some facts why anyone should believe any of this "he said, she said" - especially when "he" is conveniently dead?

[Tennesseer]

Jun 18, 2013 8:38:40 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 17, 2013 22:37:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Give me some facts why you claim Piper Laurie needs the money.  Facts only not what you think.

Want to supply me with some facts why anyone should believe any of this "he said, she said" - especially when "he" is conveniently dead?

Two words: George Zimmerman.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 18, 2013 8:50:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 18, 2013 8:38:40 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Want to supply me with some facts why anyone should believe any of this "he said, she said" - especially when "he" is conveniently dead?

Two words: George Zimmerman.

One word: EVIDENCE.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 17, 2013 22:37:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 17, 2013 21:53:53 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I actually do know who Piper Laurie is and she would need the money for sure which s why she would tell this Tory. 

Give me some facts why you claim Piper Laurie needs the money.  Facts only not what you think.

If you ask a room full of billionaires if they need more money, every hand would go up.  "Need" isn't necessary to drive a person to do something. Sometimes, it's just good old fashioned GREED.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 18, 2013 7:29:04 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

What movies have you seen her in in the last thirty years? The last one I saw her in was in a very sad flick with a young Mel Gibson. Before he became a name. I'm sure he'd like to forget he was ever in it. She wasn't anything ever, really. Another Ingrid Thulin.

Facts. I want facts and not what you or what you think Mel Gibson 'might' think.

By the way-Ingrid Thulin was never nominated for an Oscar. Piper Laurie was-three times. Look it up.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 18, 2013 8:53:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 18, 2013 8:50:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Two words: George Zimmerman.

One word: EVIDENCE.

Sorry pbp-you lose. The only facts are what Zimmerman wants us to believe. After all, his life is on the line.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 18, 2013 8:59:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 18, 2013 8:53:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

One word: EVIDENCE.

Sorry pbp-you lose. The only facts are what Zimmerman wants us to believe. After all, his life is on the line.

The medical evidence that show that the only wounds sustained by TM other than the gunshot wound were the bruises to his hands and knuckles from the severe beating he delivered to GZ?  GZ managed to slam his own head into the ground, TM had nothing to do with that?  

Gimme a break, TN.  There's evidence in the Zimmerman case.  There's nothing but a he said, she said here.

[mmhmm]

There was no evidence that showed bruises to TM's hands and knuckles, PBP.  There was a small cut on one of his fingers just below the knuckle.  That's all.  Read the autopsy report.  I linked to it earlier.  As far as GZ's head goes, the wounds on his head could as well have been produced if he fell backward and hit his head on the pavement.  There is nothing conclusive.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 18, 2013 10:49:38 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 18, 2013 8:59:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sorry pbp-you lose. The only facts are what Zimmerman wants us to believe. After all, his life is on the line.

The medical evidence that show that the only wounds sustained by TM other than the gunshot wound were the bruises to his hands and knuckles from the severe beating he delivered to GZ?  GZ managed to slam his own head into the ground, TM had nothing to do with that?  

Gimme a break, TN.  There's evidence in the Zimmerman case.  There's nothing but a he said, she said here.

So in your mind, everything written or said by someone about a person after they have died is not to be trusted-unless they are George Zimmerman of course.

As for Zimmerman, he is a proven liar already in the court/legal system. Remember his bail hearing? Bail revoked? Lied to the judge how much money he and his wife had access to? Why not lie about how everything went down to stay out of jail.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 18, 2013 10:53:26 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

There was no evidence that showed bruises to TM's hands and knuckles, PBP.  There was a small cut on one of his fingers just below the knuckle.  That's all.  Read the autopsy report.  I linked to it earlier.  As far as GZ's head goes, the wounds on his head could as well have been produced if he fell backward and hit his head on the pavement.  There is nothing conclusive.

The grass was slippery and wet from rain after all.

[Tennesseer]

No registered sex offender tag nor jail time if she accepts a new plea deal.

Prosecutors press teen charged in sexual relations with younger girl to take deal

[EVT1]

Hope she takes it.  Will be able to expunge the felony as well.  Wouldn't want to keep her from buying and carrying a handgun down the road in that state.

[workpublic]

piper laurie's favorite song?

[Deleted]

If she turns this deal down, whatever happens to her from here on out, is her own damn fault

Her attorneys and her parents ought to getting on their knees to the prosecution team

She was wrong.....she might not deserve 15 years.....but if she declines this deal, maybe a 3-5 year sentence would wake her the fuck up to reality

[djAdvocate]

Jun 17, 2013 19:37:09 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Then again, Reagan may well have been a first class asshole at that time.  After all, he was a UNION boss AND a DEMOCRAT at the time...

BOOM

edit: i don't understand exactly how consensual sex would make Reagan any less or more of an icon than he is, ftr.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 15, 2013 13:10:03 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Hope she takes it.  Will be able to expunge the felony as well.  Wouldn't want to keep her from buying and carrying a handgun down the road in that state.

Your general upset at the knowledge that anyone can own a gun down here amuses me. Keep the laughs coming. 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 14, 2013 22:36:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

No registered sex offender tag nor jail time if she accepts a new plea deal.

Prosecutors press teen charged in sexual relations with younger girl to take deal

Once again, politics move the prosecutors in Florida. 

I'm not saying it's not the right call.  But I will say this- if she continues to profess 'innocence' and try to make this her 'crusade' they ought to throw the book at her.  She's an absolute fool if she doesn't take this deal.  This is as good as it gets.

[EVT1]

Aug 15, 2013 21:56:40 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 15, 2013 13:10:03 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Hope she takes it.  Will be able to expunge the felony as well.  Wouldn't want to keep her from buying and carrying a handgun down the road in that state.

Your general upset at the knowledge that anyone can own a gun down here amuses me. Keep the laughs coming. 

Why would I be upset- I have no problems with gun ownership- and you missed my point.

I really would hate to have her unable to buy a handgun because FL is the one place I can see the need for one.  Get in a skirmish down there you better be the first one on the trigger. 

[zibazinski]

Absolutely.