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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 23, 2013 14:32:34 GMT -5
I knew one girl that came to school for the full nine months and gave birth to twins. I know lots of girls that had "miscarriages" while in high school.
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Post by The Captain on May 23, 2013 14:34:32 GMT -5
So 80% of your peeps were sexually active yet only 1 birth...
You figure it out.
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Post by sheilaincali on May 23, 2013 14:39:32 GMT -5
We had 280 people in our graduating class- I'd guess half were female so 140 girls- 3 gave birth during high school. There were a handful more that I found out there facebook were likely pregnant when we gradated or got pregnant the summer after graduation. I'm only saying that because a handful had kids graduate last year or this year and we graduated 19 years ago.
I didn't know anyone that was still a virigin when I graduated high school- at least no one that I happened to be friends with. I'm sure there were plenty of virgins in our graduating class but everyone that I socialized with was having sex.
DS is a freshman and he said kids in grade are having sex. They had one girl transfer to the "alternative" high school because she was pregnant. The Alternative HS has on site daycare.
When I was a sophmore in High School I briefly (couple of months) dated a college sophmore. My parents like him, knew his family and fully approved.
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Post by midjd on May 23, 2013 14:47:30 GMT -5
Figure what out? That they know how to use birth control?
I was sexually active for more than a decade before I got pregnant (on purpose). Just because there aren't a ton of teen pregnancies doesn't mean they're not having sex...
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Post by Pants on May 23, 2013 15:01:55 GMT -5
So 80% of your peeps were sexually active yet only 1 birth... You figure it out. Actually, 80% of the people I knew were sexually active, and there were zero births among those people. Then there was the pregnant girl. So. Birth control for the win!
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Post by muttleynfelix on May 23, 2013 15:17:25 GMT -5
Figure what out? That they know how to use birth control? I was sexually active for more than a decade before I got pregnant (on purpose). Just because there aren't a ton of teen pregnancies doesn't mean they're not having sex... Exactly! My high school had 300 students. We averaged about 1 to 2 pregnancies per year across all 4 grades. My class and the class ahead of me managed to make it out with no one having a baby while in high school. Our school was taught about birth control from 7th grade on. I don't know what the next school district south did or didn't do. They were a little smaller than us and my family went to church in that town (which is why I know the following statistic) - the year I graduated from high school the neighboring school district had 47 graduates. 7 of the girls were pregnant or had babies!!!! 7 out of about 30 girls (boys were more likely to drop out and therefore graduating classes in the area were more girls than boys). The difference was who used birth control and who didn't. Oh and if you talked to just me and my immediate friends, you probably thought the majority of the high school wasn't having sex - a better guess would by senior year (depending on the class), probably 75% of the students were having sex.
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Post by thyme4change on May 23, 2013 15:26:37 GMT -5
Figure what out? That they know how to use birth control? I was sexually active for more than a decade before I got pregnant (on purpose). Just because there aren't a ton of teen pregnancies doesn't mean they're not having sex... I suspect that birth control wasn't 100% responsible for there being only 1 live birth. You are naive if you think there wasn't a single abortion, or that the girl who moved away for senior year, actually didn't move, or didn't move far. I have no idea, but I do recall a few gals going to a private school, or their parents moved to another school district that was a few miles away. Any of those could be legit, or any of those could be a cover. Who knows?
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Post by thyme4change on May 23, 2013 15:27:32 GMT -5
(I also think you are naive if you think that abstinence was responsible for a low birth rate.)
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Post by Pants on May 23, 2013 15:31:38 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sure there were abortions, but none that I knew of. We did have several girls who went away for the summer and came home with different noses, though, that happened a lot.
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Post by midjd on May 23, 2013 15:38:28 GMT -5
True, and I know there's no way everyone was using BC. I think in my area the girls who got pregnant dropped out quietly - since I wasn't friends with any of them, I didn't really notice (until I'd look through a yearbook and think, "who the hell is Jessica Jones? I don't remember going to school with her...")
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Post by thyme4change on May 23, 2013 15:41:33 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sure there were abortions, but none that I knew of. We did have several girls who went away for the summer and came home with different noses, though, that happened a lot. Did we go to the same high school? I had no idea what all the jokes were about jewish noses, since I went to high school with a bunch of jewish girls who all had adorable noses. Later, I find out that it was a bat mitzvah tradition to go over to Dr. so and so, and get that taken care of. "Congrats on becoming a jewish woman, now let's make it less obvious."
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Post by Pants on May 23, 2013 15:45:39 GMT -5
Probably. There's only one like it in the U.S.
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Post by The Captain on May 23, 2013 15:57:46 GMT -5
Figure what out? That they know how to use birth control? I was sexually active for more than a decade before I got pregnant (on purpose). Just because there aren't a ton of teen pregnancies doesn't mean they're not having sex... So you would have us believe that they are using BC 100% of the time and it is 100% effective. Didn't you agrue for BC failure in another thread (I think it was the teen mom thread) saying it is not effective 100% of the time? Oh - BTW here are some facts: www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-ATSRH.html#6a• About one in 10 women at risk of unintended pregnancy are currently not using any contraceptive method. The proportion is highest among 15–19-year-olds (19%) and lowest among women aged 40–44 (8%).[2]
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Post by midjd on May 23, 2013 15:58:31 GMT -5
Is that what I said?
Yes, birth control can - and does - fail. But trying to argue that the fact that there was only one teen pregnancy (carried to term) in a group of 1500 girls proves that the majority weren't having sex ignores a lot of other factors.
It also depends on how you define "sex." I knew quite a few girls who considered themselves virgins throughout HS just because they didn't engage in "p in v" sex. Other types didn't count. I disagree with that definition, but it did eliminate their risk of pregnancy.
There were also quite a few same-sex relationships - also unlikely to become pregnant.
Unless BSB and Sheila and Mutt and I just went to really slutty schools, I think the 50% figure is low.
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Post by The Captain on May 23, 2013 15:59:46 GMT -5
Ok, Thyme beat me to it.
On the nose thing - seriously? Cosmetic surgery in HS!
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on May 23, 2013 16:16:28 GMT -5
Life was much easier when redshirt referred to the characters in Star Trek that you knew were going to die because they were in a dangerous situation and everyone else was a main character.
...:::"Other types didn't count. I disagree with that definition, but it did eliminate their risk of pregnancy.":::...
My friends and I were so excited when we got our first slow dance that we were telling each other we scored. We knew it wasn't technically true, but who cares!
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Post by The Captain on May 23, 2013 17:32:27 GMT -5
"Yes, birth control can - and does - fail. But trying to argue that the fact that there was only one teen pregnancy (carried to term) in a group of 1500 girls proves that the majority weren't having sex ignores a lot of other factors."
(OK can someone tell be how to do quote boxes without doing an all out quote)
Now I get what you're saying, and no that is not what I was trying to imply. I was trying to imply that with that low a live birth rate, and that high a sexually active rate, there had to be a decent number of abortions relative to the population size. I understood the original post to imply that having an abortion was better for all then carrying to term.
The poster came back later and admitted there were likely several abortions but she did not have direct knowledge of any.
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Post by thyme4change on May 23, 2013 18:31:14 GMT -5
There are a couple of ways. :You can type [quottttte] (with just one T) at the beginning, cut and paste the portion you want, and then do [/quotttte] (but spell it correctly with just one "T") at the end.
You could also quote the whole thing, and then highlight and delete the parts you don't want.
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Post by midjd on May 23, 2013 18:36:30 GMT -5
Type [ quote] and [/ quote] (without the extra space) around the phrase. Favorite shortcut ever!
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Post by Pants on May 23, 2013 18:40:49 GMT -5
"Yes, birth control can - and does - fail. But trying to argue that the fact that there was only one teen pregnancy (carried to term) in a group of 1500 girls proves that the majority weren't having sex ignores a lot of other factors." (OK can someone tell be how to do quote boxes without doing an all out quote) Now I get what you're saying, and no that is not what I was trying to imply. I was trying to imply that with that low a live birth rate, and that high a sexually active rate, there had to be a decent number of abortions relative to the population size. I understood the original post to imply that having an abortion was better for all then carrying to term. The poster came back later and admitted there were likely several abortions but she did not have direct knowledge of any. There was also a lot to lose. I went to high school in a very chi-chi town. 95-something percent of kids went on to college. Most kids were careful because there were high expectations for success.
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Post by thyme4change on May 23, 2013 18:43:53 GMT -5
There was also a lot to lose. I went to high school in a very chi-chi town. 95-something percent of kids went on to college. Most kids were careful because there were high expectations for success. We really may have gone to the same high school. All the parents are uptight. And in the 80's, there were Porsches in the parking lot? (Now there are probably Escalades, etc.)
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Post by Pants on May 23, 2013 18:57:40 GMT -5
There was also a lot to lose. I went to high school in a very chi-chi town. 95-something percent of kids went on to college. Most kids were careful because there were high expectations for success. We really may have gone to the same high school. All the parents are uptight. And in the 80's, there were Porsches in the parking lot? (Now there are probably Escalades, etc.) I wouldn't know, I went in the 90s. There were lots of BMWs and a bunch of Explorers/Tahoes/Pathfinders/etc. driven by the cool tall guys.
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Post by Pants on May 23, 2013 19:05:47 GMT -5
We could probably figure it out if we outed our home state.
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Post by thyme4change on May 23, 2013 19:08:58 GMT -5
I've been open and honest that I am in Arizona. I grew up in a wealthy 'burb. If you are not one of those people, you can keep your secret. I'm sure there is an equivalent school in most states/major cities.
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Post by justme on May 23, 2013 19:50:32 GMT -5
Oh hell, my school was more podunk than I thought. Around 1500 students and I knew of at least 10 pregnancies (have to say that cuz one kid had two, adopted the first said she was keeping the second - I was a senior so graduated before she had the kid). And that's saying something when I was in all honors/AP classes and I think I probably only knew around 200 kids over my 4 years. If 100 were girls, and 10 had kids... And people wonder why I ran screaming from that town the minute I could!
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Post by Pants on May 23, 2013 19:58:13 GMT -5
I've been open and honest that I am in Arizona. I grew up in a wealthy 'burb. If you are not one of those people, you can keep your secret. I'm sure there is an equivalent school in most states/major cities. I know. High school for me was Chicago burbs. SECRET'S OUT EVERYONE!
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Post by zibazinski on May 23, 2013 20:02:52 GMT -5
I just remember an older girl telling me thàt once you put out, that's all your dates would ever be about so you'd lose ever having fun. Glad I made it out of hi school without one more hassle.
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Post by Pants on May 23, 2013 20:06:02 GMT -5
Yup. No fun to be had putting out. Good point.
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Post by zibazinski on May 23, 2013 20:07:56 GMT -5
With some dumb high school boy? That knows slightly less on how to do it than I do? Yup, I can do without that nonsense.
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Post by The Captain on May 24, 2013 6:09:07 GMT -5
ok lets see if this worked...ETA WHO HOOO it did! Thanks folks! so (not picking on anyone specifically) on other threads we vilify people who say those who live at the lower end of the economic spectrum are there because they accept that its ok to not be successful and to be supported by someone else, but here it's ok to use the counter-argument in a chi-chi area to support low pregnancy rates. Yet another double standard
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