Growing up different

[souldoubt]

May 13, 2013 17:24:20 GMT -5 doxieluvr said:

May 9, 2013 14:33:46 GMT -5 souldoubt said:

I think you should be applauded for the fact your kids aren't wrapped up in pop culture.  I finished high school in 2000, obviously we had the internet but it wasn't anything like it is now and most people didn't have cell phones so it was before having everything at your fingertips.  Can't imagine being a kid now and I shudder to think what it will be like when I have kids in the future.  It's bad enough any time you go out to a bar, restaurant, etc most adults are glued to their phones and kids are even worse.  Not being able to name the winners from American Idol or what show was popular for a few years during their youth isn't going to doom your kids.     

The Internet has been around since I was in elementary school. " you've got mail". Sure it was slower and you had to sit at a desktop to dial up, but it was very similar to today's Internet. 

Also cell phones have been around for an equal amount of time. I have been carrying a cell phone for a good 18 years. I want to say I have had the internet on my cell phone since at least 2000. Maybe 2001 when I got the first color version Nextel phone. 

The earlier versions of the internet were around before you were in elementary school going back to the arpanet but it was nothing like it is today nor is the 2000 version of the internet as comparable to today.  In the late 90's DSL was the "fastest" provider available (unless you count T-1's at universities and huge companies where they cost thousands a month) where I lived and it wasn't always available then cable modems came along. Even taking the speed of it out of the equation browsing the web and spending a lot of time online it was a much different experience.  As far as cell phones go those have been around for 30+ years but the use of them wasn't as common, they weren't always allowed at schools and back when I finished high school iin 2000 teachers weren't competing with cell phone screens for kids attention. Texting wasn't even something that became bigger until the 2000's and that's something that has influenced newer generations greatly along with having the ability to browse online with their phones which wasn't that common that long ago due to data charges and speed.  

[doxieluvr]

Ok so chat rooms are not common in today's Internet. But what else is different. Not much that I can think of. Msn message boards existed, email was there, online shopping, booking travel, looking up information. Google might have been missing but aol worked fine for searching.

i finished high school in 97 and carried a cell phone. I got my first phone my sophomore year. My parents had the car phones that were built into the car, then had a bag phone, before getting a regular handheld phone. Really they were readily available. You all act like they appeared out of nowhere. I know that I was watching live coverage off my Nextel phone during 9/11. So really Internet and phones were common. 

12.4 million people carried mobile phones in 1990. That's a lot of phones.

[souldoubt]

Things existing doesn't mean the use of them was remotely the same or as prevalent.  In the last 10 years 24% more of the world's population has started using the internet and the average person spends over 5 times as long online each day.  The amount of information, access to it and use of it has grown many times over since then as well.    

Readily available doesn't mean the majority or even that the average person had one.  Also I never said they appeard out of nowhere I said they weren't as common.  I'm guessing you were watching live coverage because you had a very nice plan but 3G didn't even come out until 2001 and not everyone jumps on the most expensive plan right away.  Using cell phones 10 years ago amongst my friends was the stone age compared to today.  As far as the 12.4M number you quoted per wikipedia that's total cell phone subscriptions in the world vs. over 6B today so no that's not a lot.

[swasat]

May 14, 2013 14:49:08 GMT -5 doxieluvr said:

Ok so chat rooms are not common in today's Internet. But what else is different. Not much that I can think of. Msn message boards existed, email was there, online shopping, booking travel, looking up information. Google might have been missing but aol worked fine for searching.

i finished high school in 97 and carried a cell phone. I got my first phone my sophomore year. My parents had the car phones that were built into the car, then had a bag phone, before getting a regular handheld phone. Really they were readily available. You all act like they appeared out of nowhere. I know that I was watching live coverage off my Nextel phone during 9/11. So really Internet and phones were common. 

12.4 million people carried mobile phones in 1990. That's a lot of phones.

I call that such BS!!

Internet didn't even come to phones till around 2004. Where did you live? The heaven?? You watched 9/11 on you phone? Thats such a bunch of crap. Even youtube didn't exist then.

Anyone else finds doxi'e claims ludicrous??

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Maybe Doxie is really Al Gore.  Didn't he invent the internet?

[souldoubt]

I don't remember exactly when what became available but no one I knew had that type of service back then.  I've got friends who are technology junkies and IT guys who always had the best gaming computers when we were younger, got cable modems as soon as they could, etc and none of them had that type of phone service 10 years ago.  I had flip phones with no internet access until through at least 2004 and when I did get that access there was nothing live people were watching because the connection was so crappy. 

[swasat]

I want to know how doxie was watching live coverage of 9/11 on her phone

Video streaming wasn't even available on phones in 2001. And as far as I rememeber the phones didn't even have screens like today where you could watch it.

Anything's possibel in doxieland.

[doxieluvr]

I have no idea what plan I had back then or the cost. I was on my parents plan up until 5 years ago when dh put me on his plan. Up until then, I always had the latest and greatest phones. I got a color phone in 2000 or early 2001. It was several hundreds of dollars but don't remember how much. 

[zibazinski]

[midjd]

Doxie is from the future!!!

[formerroomate99]

I was a nerdy Catholic girl growing up with a bunch of Southern Baptist future Stepford wives.  On top of that, my mother was from the Depression/WW2 generation while everybody else's parents were style obsessed baby boomers.  And having a mom from Kennedy country, complete with all the bluntness and sarcasm that is common in that part of the world, didn't help me learn the social nuances of Southern culture.  I was raised to think that caring that much about fashon was a sign of a feeble mind, ok if you have trust fund or you are so stupid that being a trophy wife was your only shot in life, but not ok for an intelligent, middle class girl.

I did my own thing, didn't care what my rather mean classmates thought, paid dearly for it, and left without looking back.  The strange thing is that nearly every Southerner I've met since leaving the South has been a nice person. 

[swamp]

I saw my first cell phone in 1992 on my friend's boat.  It weighed about 3 pounds and cost $1200.  It didn't fit in a purse.

In 2001, I had a cell phone, but data plan wasn't available.  We were stilll using dial up at the office, we got cable internet the next year.

[thyme4change]

May 14, 2013 14:49:08 GMT -5 doxieluvr said:

12.4 million people carried mobile phones in 1990. That's a lot of phones.

There are 327 million cell phones in the US today.  So, a little bit different.


Ironically, there are more cell phones than people.  LOL!  Whereas your 12.4M number means only 4% of the population had a phone.  

[thyme4change]

May 14, 2013 15:12:09 GMT -5 swasat said:

I want to know how doxie was watching live coverage of 9/11 on her phone

Video streaming wasn't even available on phones in 2001. And as far as I rememeber the phones didn't even have screens like today where you could watch it.

Anything's possibel in doxieland.

Maybe it was the 9/11 coverage of the Benghazi attack.

[midjd]

Ironically, there are more cell phones than people. LOL! Whereas your 12.4M number means only 4% of the population had a phone.

I think the 12.4 million number was worldwide, which makes it even worse. 12 million phones divided by 6.5 billion people... not a whole lot.

Meanwhile, the number of cell phones will surpass the number of humans in 2014:
www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/mobile-phone-world-population-2014/

[Green Eyed Lady]

I grew up differently in that I grew up in a very strict household.  You said "Yes, Ma'am".  You didn't talk back.  You weren't allowed to dress like a "tramp" (whatever that means), you did what you were told when you were told to do it.  Period.  I remember my dad about having a coronary when bun huggers came out in my sophmore year of volleyball.  I dont' blame him.  I hated them, too.  The routine was bump (pull the bun huggers out of your butt crack), set (pull the bun huggers out of your butt crack), spike (pull the bun huggers out of your butt crack).

However, none of my friends appeared to be raised so strictly.  I remember discoving this when I was about 7 or so.  I was playing at a friend's house and her mother asked for the second time if we wanted some lunch.  My friend said, "I TOLD YOU WE AREN'T HUNGRY. NOW LEAVE US ALONE!!".  I literally froze in place because I was sure she was going to die.  And?  Nothing happened except her mom said, "Ok.  I was just asking."  I was stunned.

So?  I decided to try it.  A couple of days later, my mom told me it was time to get in the bath and get ready for bed.  I replied something along the lines of, "I'll go in a minute.  I'm busy now!  Leave me alone!". 

I don't remember much of the next couple of days.

[zibazinski]

I never met a rude southerner. A few transplants from other states I could have done without.

[swamp]

May 15, 2013 12:22:47 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I never met a rude southerner. A few transplants from other states I could have done without.

I met a few that freely referred to black people as n_____s.  that's pretty rude.

[zibazinski]

Wow. I never heard that come out of anyone's mouth until I was in Indiana. Except for my grandma who called Brazil nuts that word and toes on the end of it. But she never referred to an actual person that way.

[thyme4change]

I've met rude Southerners.  I think people are people - and some of them are assholes.

[swamp]

May 15, 2013 12:35:36 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I've met rude Southerners.  I think people are people - and some of them are assholes.

some assholes even speak with a southern accent. 

[movingforward]

May 15, 2013 12:22:47 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I never met a rude southerner. A few transplants from other states I could have done without.

You obviously have not met some of the same southerners I have.  The best part is that as long as they say "bless his/her heart" at the end of the sentence they think they can say rude things all day long and no one will notice.  There are rude people in all parts of the nation.  

[Green Eyed Lady]

You are somewhat right, Zib.  On the surface, most southerners are polite.  They are just rude a bit more subtly than Yankees!  When they say, "Bless his heart.", they are really saying, "He is an idiot."  When they say "Well?  Different strokes for different folks, Dear." they are saying "He is  still an idiot."  And when they say, "Well?  Different strokes for different folks, Dear.  Mr. Johnson down the road does the same thing.  Bless his heart", they are saying "He is an idiot and Mr. Johnson down the road is an even bigger idiot!"

And?  Spending most of my life around southerners, the only southerner I've ever heard refer to a Black person as a n------ was a Black southerner.

[formerroomate99]

See, where I lived, the native born Southerners used the N-word regularly while the transplants were more reluctant to use such language, but that was 30 years ago.  

[Green Eyed Lady]

That's about the same time frame, former.  Still never heard it - at least that I remember.  I do recall hearing it on tv once or twice and I recall hearing it said a bunch by Black people.  Guess it just depends on the era and the area. 

[swamp]

1993, Jackson Tennesee, college campus.   A small, liberal arts private college that was populated with mostly upper middle class white kids.

[movingforward]

I heard plenty of whites say it when I would visit my aunt in eastern NC.  Once my aunt and I were in the grocery store and some guy said it (and this was actually around 2002 or 2003).  We told him we were offended by his racist terminology and he told us he wasn't racist and didn't know why we were offended .  He wasn't an old man either so he couldn't use age as an excuse...

ETA:  I also just recently heard the word said by some drunk dumb ass in Vegas who was being extremely loud and offensive.  I have no idea where he was from but needless to say there are idiots everywhere.

[formerroomate99]

Where I was living, my mom was working in a mental hosptial where a female honors student's parents had her locked up for dating another honors student who happened to be a different race.  My mom was the only one there who thought this wasn't a good idea.  Needless to say, she didn't last long at that establishment. 

[movingforward]

May 15, 2013 15:12:10 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

Where I was living, my mom was working in a mental hosptial where a female honors student's parents had her locked up for dating another honors student who happened to be a different race.  My mom was the only one there who thought this wasn't a good idea.  Needless to say, she didn't last long at that establishment. 

[happyhoix]

May 15, 2013 14:02:38 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

You are somewhat right, Zib.  On the surface, most southerners are polite.  They are just rude a bit more subtly than Yankees!  When they say, "Bless his heart.", they are really saying, "He is an idiot."  When they say "Well?  Different strokes for different folks, Dear." they are saying "He is  still an idiot."  And when they say, "Well?  Different strokes for different folks, Dear.  Mr. Johnson down the road does the same thing.  Bless his heart", they are saying "He is an idiot and Mr. Johnson down the road is an even bigger idiot!"

And?  Spending most of my life around southerners, the only southerner I've ever heard refer to a Black person as a n------ was a Black southerner.

I'm a northerner living in the south and I would agree. If you go around my small rural town, people will nod at you and say hello, if you go into the little hardware store people will talk to you like they know you. I remember when I lived up north, you didn't look at anyone on the street, let alone nod or say hello, unless you actually knew them.

Southerners I think are also more polite - on several occasions, I've been in stores or restaurants where one member of party has shouted across the room at another one. Not in anger, just communicating  - for instance, I was at a store where one woman was in the changing room trying on clothes while the other was looking through the racks about 50 feet away. The woman in the changing room came out and bellowed at her friend, asking her to find the same thing for her in a different color. No way a Southern woman would shout across a store that way. For some reason, the people I've heard shout in public have always had a New York or New Jersey accent.

That doesn't mean Southerners can't be assholes. I think there are the same percentage of assholes pretty much anyplace I've lived, and that includes some foreign countries. Southern assholes just won't shout to their friends across public rooms