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Post by thyme4change on Apr 30, 2013 10:20:21 GMT -5
ROFL - I wish douchebag had a better definition. I always thought it was like a narcissistic jock type, but now, we can pretty much throw douchbag around as a general insult.
Vaginal cleansing water and vinegar mixture - just doesn't have the same ring.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 10:23:24 GMT -5
Rude? Depends on the relationship.
Generally speaking, it courts trouble to escalate political 'debate' in this fashion with people you might want to contnue a relationship with.
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Post by Bob Ross on Apr 30, 2013 10:28:02 GMT -5
If replying "no, you are the douche bag," is the wrong reply, what is correct.. I've found that stealing their hat and playing keep-away with it works pretty well. Another good response is the "stop hitting yourself" routine. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 30, 2013 10:28:04 GMT -5
I prefer douchecanoe. It's more YM. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by Opti on Apr 30, 2013 10:52:49 GMT -5
I'm going to answer the question you aren't quite asking. On this message board we are allowed to insult public figures. We are not allowed to insult other posters.
I think in your example both people are rude, but #2 is worse because they make it personal. Good or bad, the accepted rules on this board and way back on MSN was it was OK to insult and have bad opinions about public figures, groups of some people say liberals, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, car salesmen, but not individual posters or religion and protected groups.
If Obama and Rush posted here both #1 and #2 from your example would be equally bad. In general though I think if you think someone is being rude returning with something you consider equally rude just makes you look as bad or worse than the person you are upset with. IMO taking the low ground rarely works. How you speak about people you don't like or disagree with reflects on you I think far more than it reflects on them. I personally have decided not to waste my posting time disagreeing with how people speak about various figures in the political landscape because I'd spend more of my time doing that than actually dealing with what the topic should be. I'm not going to change Paul's opinion on Obama nor Cereb's on Rush, so why waste the time?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 30, 2013 10:57:09 GMT -5
Some background regarding this thread.
A poster on P&M called Rush Limbaugh a douche bag. Steve then called the poster a douche bag. Steve's post was deleted for calling the poster a Dutch bag.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 10:59:26 GMT -5
Can we just all agree that everyone on P&M is a douchebag and leave it at that?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 30, 2013 11:00:00 GMT -5
The above sentence should read: 'Steve's post was deleted for calling the poster a douche bag.'
I can't edit a post using a tablet.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Apr 30, 2013 11:04:59 GMT -5
LMAO!!! Dutch bag was way funny!!
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Post by midjd on Apr 30, 2013 11:05:22 GMT -5
I think calling a public figure a name tends to undercut any argument a person would otherwise have. On the other hand, "debate the issue, not the poster" has been SOP around here for as long as I can remember. I don't think calling a public figure a name opens the door to allow others to call that poster a name. It's very unlikely the public figure is actually going to read the comment aimed at them.
I also tend to distinguish between "you're a douchebag" and "you're acting like a douchebag" or "that's a stupid thing to say" vs "you're stupid." It's one thing to comment on someone's behavior, another to directly insult them.
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Post by Opti on Apr 30, 2013 11:09:17 GMT -5
Can we just all agree that everyone on P&M is a douchebag and leave it at that? No. Because I'm not. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/raspberries.png) If you read long enough on P&M you'll notice some posters have extreme reactions to certain public figures, some are snarky about those on the "other side", and some actually mostly talk about the issues.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Apr 30, 2013 11:18:04 GMT -5
So, lemme see, a poster started an entire thread on *this* board because he got modded on a *different* board and wants to seek some kind of weird vindication? That's just so much energy spent on something so trivial. Even by internet standards. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) How about this instead, tell us how the self-sufficient lifestyle is going? How are the animals? Is there planting going on? Did you ever get your duck pond? Tell us how to enrich our lives with what you've discovered!
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Post by garion2003 on Apr 30, 2013 11:21:18 GMT -5
how's the strange old man living at your house?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 11:25:04 GMT -5
once a person results to an ad hominem attack they already lost the argument so I would take the high road and ignore them / change the topic
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Post by Bob Ross on Apr 30, 2013 11:26:40 GMT -5
how's the strange old man living at your house? Rumor has it that he's a real douchebag. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by Bob Ross on Apr 30, 2013 11:31:24 GMT -5
once a person results to an ad hominem attack they already lost the argument so I would take the high road and ignore them / change the topic Aww...c'mon. It's so much easier to say "that statement is wrong, because Humpty said it" rather that have to waste all that time debating the actual merits of said statement, what with the fact checking and flow charts and statistical quotes from dubious sources and lolcat pics that such an action would require. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 30, 2013 11:41:11 GMT -5
how's the strange old man living at your house? He was served with a side of fava beans along with a good Chianti?
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Post by midjd on Apr 30, 2013 11:46:05 GMT -5
So to you there is no difference between insulting someone's belief/opinion and insulting them as a person?
If so much of one's self-worth is tied up in the opinions they hold such that they feel compelled to call others names if they disagree (even rudely), some self-reflection may be in order.
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Post by Bob Ross on Apr 30, 2013 11:49:27 GMT -5
So to you there is no difference between insulting someone's belief/opinion and insulting them as a person? If so much of one's self-worth is tied up in the opinions they hold such that they feel compelled to call others names if they disagree (even rudely), some self-reflection may be in order. Now that's just stupid. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 11:54:04 GMT -5
once a person results to an ad hominem attack they already lost the argument so I would take the high road and ignore them / change the topic Aww...c'mon. It's so much easier to say "that statement is wrong, because Humpty said it" rather that have to waste all that time debating the actual merits of said statement, what with the fact checking and flow charts and statistical quotes from dubious sources and lolcat pics that such an action would require. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) in that case you can always resort to "I know you are but what am I?" or "I know you are but what is Obama?" ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 30, 2013 12:09:01 GMT -5
Personally I don't get that offended if someone calls a public figure I support a name. I hardly even notice it to be honest. So I likely would say nothing.
People often use name calling to drive home the point the amount of displeasure they have in a particular public figure. If someone didn't engage in a little colorful commentary about something they were very opposed to, I'd wonder if they were serious.
Furthermore, I've never been big on the idea of being the thought/word police. To me chastizing someone for namecalling a public political figure is like someone nit picking the spelling and grammer of a poster on these message boards. You totally miss the point of what the person is trying to say and don't really engage in any meaningful discussion because you focus on what they say and not the message they're trying to convey. To be honest, it just kind of makes you a jerk.
That's not to say that anyone name-calling has a higher message, but just automatically chastizing someone for using colorful language seems kind of dickish in my opinion. Are we adults or are we in 3rd grade?
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Post by midjd on Apr 30, 2013 12:32:15 GMT -5
IMO there is one exception - if someone is berating someone else for using poor grammar/spelling (or calling them stupid/unintelligent), and their own comment includes a typo/grammatical error, I think it's appropriate to call them out on that.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 30, 2013 12:34:21 GMT -5
It's all about context really. With some of my really close friends from when I was a teen it can take me a little bit to remember their real names. We always call each other douchebags, asshats, fucktards, anal leakage, crack smoking dumbfucks, etc. It gets worse when we argue about something.
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Post by justme on Apr 30, 2013 12:56:05 GMT -5
This thread is invoking images of preschool fights...
"You're a poopy head" "No you're a poopy head" <someone gets pushed down or bitten> <<cue tears>>
Except the first person called someone a poopy head that wasn't even on the playground.
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Post by Bob Ross on Apr 30, 2013 13:06:33 GMT -5
This thread is invoking images of preschool fights.... Ahhh. If only it were socially acceptable to fight like we were still in preschool. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/sad.png) Well, one CAN. One just has to do it via Youtube comments. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 30, 2013 13:08:40 GMT -5
I knew that was you on my Youtube channel!!! And I don't eat glue or sniff my own farts. Poopy face.
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Post by zdaddy on Apr 30, 2013 13:32:20 GMT -5
Personally, I think there should be way different standards for public figures and private citizens. I think most national politicians are in some way douchebags. If they were completely ethical and aboveboard at best they would have made it to the state legislature. To make it on the national stage you need to be ruthless and have a certain amount of, shall we say moral flexibility.
That being said, I don't think it's fair to pick on the average Democrat or Republican for something that their side's politician does. In the same way I think you can hate a certain sports team or player without demonizing their fans.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 30, 2013 13:35:38 GMT -5
I prefer douchecanoe. It's more YM. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) Or from Archer: "Bag with which one douches"
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Apr 30, 2013 13:47:21 GMT -5
Steve? It's been practice on this board to criticize, ridicule and yes, even name call politicians/celebrities/etc. It's probably not nice to call anyone names, but most of us have done it. Whether or not it makes an argument moot is beside the point as I understand your OP. The fact of the matter is that it isn't against the CoC to call a politician a bad name. That doesn't count as "attacking a poster" behavior. Calling a certain poster a douche bag IS attacking a poster and that IS against the CoC. I understand that you think that attacking your opinion is the same as attacking you personally, but I disagree. I can think someone's opinion is dumb but that doesn't mean I think the person is dumb.
Now while I agree that making an agument against something someone posts by responding with calling someone a douche bag is childish and shows an extreme lack of vocabulary/rational argument, in addition to being dismissive, rude and just generally junior highish, but it isn't against the CoC as I read it. What you apparently said was. It's as simple as that. Some things may be distasteful but distasteful doesn't equal violation of the CoC. I'm afraid you just don't have a leg to stand on.
I hope that's a serious opinion you were looking for. But what is all boils down to is a mod's opinion. We have to respect that even if we disagree with it.
But "dutch bag" was still funny as all hell.
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Post by midjd on Apr 30, 2013 13:55:34 GMT -5
I am not the smartest quickest guy as many of you know, but I finally learned not to start threads on anything I cared about. It is just asking to be mocked and ridiculed. Do you think the fact that you frequently engage in namecalling of other posters might have something to do with that?
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