Rush says media treating Dzhokhar like Trayvon

[EVT1]

Rush whining that the media didn't use scary enough pictures.  I can't imagine why the parents gave the media a picture of him not making an obscene gesture ...   It's a conspiracy I tells ya. 

[djAdvocate]

May 1, 2013 18:12:30 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

So, have we figured out yet, whether there's any truth to Rush's accusation that the Liberal-dominated Lamestream Media have been treating the Chechen Turd the same way they treated Saint Trayvon (patron saint of Skittles and pointless and purposeless Home Boys) while his cannonization was still underway?     

why would we want to do that? 

[Tennesseer]

May 1, 2013 19:05:44 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Rush whining that the media didn't use scary enough pictures.  I can't imagine why the parents gave the media a picture of him not making an obscene gesture ...   It's a conspiracy I tells ya. 

Let Limbaugh and the few posters here find some mean ass pictures of the kid. I'm sure that group is hoping there are someTed Kaczynski-type pictures out there somewhere.



Or maybe bad ass, middle finger waving pictures simply don't exist.

[TonyTiger]

May 1, 2013 20:30:54 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 1, 2013 18:12:30 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

So, have we figured out yet, whether there's any truth to Rush's accusation that the Liberal-dominated Lamestream Media have been treating the Chechen Turd the same way they treated Saint Trayvon (patron saint of Skittles and pointless and purposeless Home Boys) while his cannonization was still underway?     

why would we want to do that? 

But... but... but... but... all I was tryin' to do was to drag the conversation back to the theme found in the OP... sniff... sniff... sniff...     

[djAdvocate]

May 1, 2013 21:18:21 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

May 1, 2013 20:30:54 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

why would we want to do that? 

But... but... but... but... all I was tryin' to do was to drag the conversation back to the theme found in the OP... sniff... sniff... sniff...     

you're on a roll, Tony! 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 1, 2013 18:20:02 GMT -5 cereb said:

May 1, 2013 18:17:41 GMT -5 swamp said:

So every teen who has their picture taking flipping the bird is a murderous thug?  

Only in Paul's world...

That's not the point.  The point is that the media:

1.  Used a nearly 7 year old pic
2.  Described Trayvon as an "unarmed black teen"
3.  Described Zimmerman as a "white hispanic" (I'm still WTF? on that ridiculous and desperate attempt to work "white" into the story.  Has Obama EVER been described as a "White Black" president?)
4.  Buried the medical evidence until the pics surfaced in the conservative blogosphere and they had no choice.

My point isn't that they should ONLY use the most damaging photo- it is that they ought to INCLUDE them.  

The fact is that on this and any number of other stories, if the press finds the victim sympathetic or the story damaging to the liberal agenda they won't report it.  IF they're backed into a corner by objective sources, or the conservative alternative media- they report ONLY what they have to, they bury important details, they make shit up, and they mock the truth tellers until such time as they are forced to eat crow.

[TonyTiger]

May 3, 2013 8:48:42 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 1, 2013 18:20:02 GMT -5 cereb said:

Only in Paul's world...

3.  Described Zimmerman as a "white hispanic" (I'm still WTF? on that ridiculous and desperate attempt to work "white" into the story.  Has Obama EVER been described as a "White Black" president?)

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Ouch. Touche'.     

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 1, 2013 18:12:30 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

So, have we figured out yet, whether there's any truth to Rush's accusation that the Liberal-dominated Lamestream Media have been treating the Chechen Turd the same way they treated Saint Trayvon (patron saint of Skittles and pointless and purposeless Home Boys) while his cannonization was still underway?     

Actually, there is.

www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/24/liberal-media-ignore-radical-islams-links-to-boston-bombings/

On Sunday's NBC Meet the Press, special correspondent Tom Brokaw used a discussion on the Boston Marathon bombings to argue more broadly that the "roots" of anti-American terrorism across the Islamic world are U.S. drone attacks: "I think we also have to examine the use of drones that the United States is involved in and – and there are a lot of civilians who are innocently killed in a drone attack in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, and in Iraq." [Listen to the audio or watch the video after the jump]

Brokaw began by wondering: "We have to work a lot harder at a motivation here. What prompts a young man to come to this country and still feel alienated from it, to go back to Russia and do whatever he did? And I don't think we've examined that enough." Speaking of people in the Middle East, Brokaw warned: "There is this enormous rage against what they see in that part of the world as a presumptuousness of the United States."

Read more: newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2013/04/22/nbcs-brokaw-blames-us-drone-attacks-motivating-boston-bombers#ixzz2SEnOSzDn

www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-elude-labels/2013/04/22/a9782a86-ab70-11e2-a198-99893f10d6dd_story.html

Boston Marathon bombing suspects elude labels
By Krissah Thompson and Michelle Boorstein, Published: April 22

Chechen? American? Immigrant? Citizen? Muslim?

Boston Marathon bombing suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev may be all of the above, but how we attempt to come to grips with the attacks allegedly perpetrated by the brothers has much to do with how we identify them.

At MSNBC, they must be hanging gymnastics medals after the contortions it put its staff through.

When MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow asked a Georgetown professor about “some radicalized YouTube clips” on the older brother’s YouTube page, she received a classic response.
Prof. Charles King told her: “Well, and keep in mind that on his, on the elder brother's, Tamerlan's YouTube channel, there are an equal number of rap videos.” When Georgetown professors start commenting on the content of rap videos, it’s fair to say they’re clueless. Or tragically unhip.
Another MSNBC host continued that smokescreen theme, comparing the bombers to famous murderers.


Read more: www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/24/liberal-media-ignore-radical-islams-links-to-boston-bombings/#ixzz2SEoFBnoGe

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

What worries me more than far left media bias is Obama regime bias. We have an administration on record as labeling military veterans as potential terrorists, but an inability to recognize the threat of islamic terrorists up to and including their ridiculous contortions to label the islamic terror attack at Fort Hood "workplace violence".

[Opti]

. Used a nearly 7 year old pic
2. Described Trayvon as an "unarmed black teen"
3. Described Zimmerman as a "white hispanic" (I'm still WTF? on that ridiculous and desperate attempt to work "white" into the story. Has Obama EVER been described as a "White Black" president?)

1) My guess is that is what they could get until the parents came up with others.
2) I think that's an apt description unless you think having a beverage or Skittles makes him armed.
3) I thought this was odd too, until I found in Florida they tend to differentiate between white hispanics and other hispanics.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

1. The pic was provided to the media by the race baiters and poverty pimps who got wind of the incident and decided to descend on Sanford and make this an issue; the media for its part willingly obliged, and used the image provided by protestors, agitators, and community organizers. They did no reporting.

2. It is only relevant in context. The reality is that when you report on the one hand that he was unarmed and had in his possession only tea and candy from the convenience store, and leave out the part about how Zimmerman claims he was attacked, and the medical evidence that showed Zimmerman with injuries consistent with his story, and Trayvon with no injuries save those to his hands / knuckles- it makes it sound as though Trayvon was just tip-toeing through the tulips when Zimmerman rolled up and shot him because he was black and wearing a hoodie <--- and THAT in a nutshell was, and is still the basic media story.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Watch 105 be ingored.

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Reply #109 posted 2 hours ago QuotePost by AtlanticCoastofFloridaPaul on 2 hours ago
Watch 105 be ingored.

" 'Ingorance' (sic) is bliss."

 LOL

[swamp]

May 3, 2013 9:47:49 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Watch 105 be ingored.

Tom Brokaw is a moron since the anti american islamist movement predated the drone attacks.  If he said it was related to the US government propping up US friendly dictatorships to the detriment of the citizens of that country, he may have been on to something. 

[swamp]

May 3, 2013 9:46:51 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

1. The pic was provided to the media by the race baiters and poverty pimps who got wind of the incident and decided to descend on Sanford and make this an issue; the media for its part willingly obliged, and used the image provided by protestors, agitators, and community organizers. They did no reporting.

2. It is only relevant in context. The reality is that when you report on the one hand that he was unarmed and had in his possession only tea and candy from the convenience store, and leave out the part about how Zimmerman claims he was attacked, and the medical evidence that showed Zimmerman with injuries consistent with his story, and Trayvon with no injuries save those to his hands / knuckles- it makes it sound as though Trayvon was just tip-toeing through the tulips when Zimmerman rolled up and shot him because he was black and wearing a hoodie <--- and THAT in a nutshell was, and is still the basic media story.

but you're missing the part where Zimmerman was basically stalking the guy around the neighborhood after calling the police on him. 

if some random dude was following me in a car and got out to confront me, I'd punch him too.

[billisonboard]

May 3, 2013 12:47:32 GMT -5 swamp said:

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if some random dude was following me in a car and got out to confront me, I'd punch him too.

And doesn't Florida have some law that makes it legal for you to punch him? I heard about it someplace. Think it was called "Stand your ground", or something like that.

[swamp]

May 3, 2013 14:09:10 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 3, 2013 12:47:32 GMT -5 swamp said:

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if some random dude was following me in a car and got out to confront me, I'd punch him too.

And doesn't Florida have some law that makes it legal for you to punch him? I heard about it someplace. Think it was called "Stand your ground", or something like that.

I've heard it has that law, but I also heard on CNN that Mr. Zimmerman has chosen not to pursue the stand your ground defense and go solely on self defense.

[billisonboard]

May 3, 2013 14:19:12 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 3, 2013 14:09:10 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

And doesn't Florida have some law that makes it legal for you to punch him? I heard about it someplace. Think it was called "Stand your ground", or something like that.

I've heard it has that law, but I also heard on CNN that Mr. Zimmerman has chosen not to pursue the stand your ground defense and go solely on self defense.

I was speaking of the prosecution using it to counter Zimmerman's claim of self defense. Certainly seems reasonable that Martin was simply exercising his right to stand his ground when Zimmerman shot him.

[Tennesseer]

May 3, 2013 9:47:49 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Watch 105 be ingored.

I’d rather address this: “Described Zimmerman as a "white hispanic" (I'm still WTF? on that ridiculous and desperate attempt to work "white" into the story. Has Obama EVER been described as a "White Black" president?)”

I am amused by people who believe Hispanics are a racial group like White, Black and Asian. As the above sentence states, the poster believes “white hispanic” and “White Black” are separate combinations of a different racial groups. Only “White Black” is a combination of two racial groups while the other is of a particular race along with an ethnonym term.

The word Hispanic is an ethnonym which denotes (in this case) a relationship to Spain. The culture of Spain was imposed (upon conquest) on the countries which are today considered to be Hispanic and which the general population today speaks the Spanish Language. Countries classified as Hispanic are Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Columbia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Uruguay, and Venezuela along with Spain.

The country of Brazil is not listed as being Hispanic because the modern country of today was founded and ruled by Portugal upon conquest. The official language in Brazil is Portuguese and is spoken by the majority of the country’s citizens. On occasion, Brazil is considered a Hispanic country as Portugal shares the Iberian peninsula and in ancient times, the peninsula was called Hispania.

As captured African blacks were first transported to South America by Portuguese and Spanish slave traders, today there are descendant populations today of blacks throughout those countries and are considered Hispanic. That is they were born into a Hispanic (or Spanish) culture. The same is true of white Hispanics-though their ancestors may or may not have been born in Spain (racial classification white), they were born and raised in a Hispanic culture.

Hispanic is not a classification of race but rather a name for a group of people with historical ties to Spain.

[TonyTiger]

May 3, 2013 14:54:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 3, 2013 9:47:49 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Watch 105 be ingored.

"...I am amused by people who believe Hispanics are a racial group... Hispanic is not a classification of race but rather a name for a group of people with historical ties to Spain."

Entirely accurate, however, we're dealing with the Common Parlance, or Common Understanding, or Common Usage, and, in Real-World practice, in this country, when you throw-out the term Hispanic, you are generally thought to mean folks of pure or mixed Central American and South American or Caribbean Native heritage - with the conscious understanding that there are variations on the theme.

The usage here was what might best be termed the Common Usage in the U.S., and it was immediately understood, what was meant - no need to split hairs - that just pointlessly slows-down and diverts the conversation.

Now, if you have something to add, which speaks to the substance of 105, rather than pointlessly tweaking the nouns found therein, well, have at it... 

[Tennesseer]

It is not common usage Tony.  Intelligent folks do know the difference.

[TonyTiger]

May 3, 2013 15:07:27 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"It is not common usage Tony..."

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Yer a funny guy, Tenn... 

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"...Intelligent folks do know the difference."

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Well, now that you've proved yourself, and those who think like you, so much smarter than the rest of us...       ...do you have anything substantive to contribute that speaks to 105?

[Opti]

May 3, 2013 9:46:51 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

1. The pic was provided to the media by the race baiters and poverty pimps who got wind of the incident and decided to descend on Sanford and make this an issue; the media for its part willingly obliged, and used the image provided by protestors, agitators, and community organizers. They did no reporting.

2. It is only relevant in context. The reality is that when you report on the one hand that he was unarmed and had in his possession only tea and candy from the convenience store, and leave out the part about how Zimmerman claims he was attacked, and the medical evidence that showed Zimmerman with injuries consistent with his story, and Trayvon with no injuries save those to his hands / knuckles- it makes it sound as though Trayvon was just tip-toeing through the tulips when Zimmerman rolled up and shot him because he was black and wearing a hoodie <--- and THAT in a nutshell was, and is still the basic media story.

1) My guess is the media finds its own public domain pictures unless the family or the individual provides others. I'm not a journalist, but my guess is there are copyright and
privacy issue laws that affect this. If you notice the bomber photos the elder brother's is from his althletic pursuits and younger brother's pic is probably a school photo.

If you paid attention no public domain type photos like more recent school pics ever surfaced. Conservative bloggers looking for dirt actually publicized the wrong Trayvon Martin photos for awhile. You don't want media to do that. I don't pay attention much to
Fox but if it was pure liberal media bias instead of copyright, verification, and privacy issues Fox should have had more current or damning photos immediately.

2) We disagree on what the basic media story is. It took a long time before facts of where
Trayvon was and where GZ was per a timeline/location to show up. Perhaps those of us who are emphathetic to people considered guilty just because they exist put more emphasis on the fact GZ was noticeably tailing him. While GZ was probably in the frame of mind of "what the heck is he doing, I want to follow and know" TM was probably thinking what the hell do I do if this guy gets out of his vehicle and comes after me?" GZ is not driving a police car. If TM grew up in a bad place or watches enough movies or TV shows he knows SUVs and trucks following you often contain people who are interested in doing you bodily harm.

I'm not sure what the law will interpret the situation to be nor what actually happened.
But what isn't in contention is GZ could have avoided the situation altogether if he had chosen to watch instead of engage. GZ says TM could have avoided him, but given where it happened I really doubt it. GZ also says TM "doubled back" when frankly it looks like the encounter occured very close to where GZ left his car. Doubling back implies being far ahead and sneaking behind somehow. I think he lied to enhance his story. Did he turn around because he heard someone following him and walk a few steps back. Highly likely.
I just watched the season ending of Mad Men season 5. Its striking how bad only two punches look. Years ago I used to watch Ultimate Fighting with a BF. I was struck how basically you hardly need any damage to get someone to "lose it" and get them off their game. Once nice blow to the forehead to start the blood flowing seems to do it every time.
Looking at GZ's head I think it looks much worse than it is. It looks like one blow to whatever the surface it was because multiple bangs wouldn't be on center and the bruising and blood pattern would be different. If I could go there and try to reenact it, I might alter my conclusions.

In any event, if it had been a fire. Most folks would blame the person who ran into the fire and burned to death more than the one who happened to be there and didn't get out. The twist on this of course is the scary black teenager angle.

[Tennesseer]

May 3, 2013 15:10:17 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

May 3, 2013 15:07:27 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"It is not common usage Tony..."

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Yer a funny guy, Tenn... 

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"...Intelligent folks do know the difference."

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Well, now that you've proved yourself, and those who think like you, so much smarter than the rest of us...       ...do you have anything substantive to contribute that speaks to 105?

Tony-Even the chimps think it's funny you're trying to steer the conversation.  I'll  address what I wish to address.  

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

1) My guess is the media finds its own public domain pictures unless the family or the individual provides others. I'm not a journalist, but my guess is there are copyright and
privacy issue laws that affect this. If you notice the bomber photos the elder brother's is from his althletic pursuits and younger brother's pic is probably a school photo.

Your guess is wrong. More often than not, reporters- who are lazy as fuck- sit there and wait for activists to spoon feed them stories from the playbook. If the story fits the paradigm- it runs with very little additional checking on the part of reporters or their editors.

Dead people have no privacy. Publicly available information- that found on social media- is not subject to privacy considerations.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

2) We disagree on what the basic media story is. It took a long time before facts of where

Trayvon was and where GZ was per a timeline/location to show up. Perhaps those of us who are emphathetic to people considered guilty just because they exist

I'm less concerned about the dead troubled youth who was moved here due to the trouble he was getting in down in Miami, because I'm more concerned about the innocent until proven guilty victim of a political prosecution because the left has an agenda to leverage the tragic event to get a law they don't like changed. That's all there is to them. Challenging SYG is all the left wing press cares about, so anything- like medical evidence that Trayvon attacked GZ just as GZ stated, that contradicts their political agenda doesn't get play.

put more emphasis on the fact GZ was noticeably tailing him. While GZ was probably in the frame of mind of "what the heck is he doing, I want to follow and know"

TM was unfamiliar to him, and he's the neighborhood watch guy in a community that had recently been the victims of a number of unsolved burglaries. That's what he is supposed to be asking himself. That's what he is supposed to be doing.

TM was probably thinking what the hell do I do if this guy gets out of his vehicle and comes after me?" GZ is not driving a police car. If TM grew up in a bad place or watches enough movies or TV shows he knows SUVs and trucks following you often contain people who are interested in doing you bodily harm.

As indicated by GZ's 911 call, TM "got away". That was the point at which GZ stopped following TM and started back towards his vehicle. But that wasn't good enough for TM. Instead of getting away and staying away, TM doubled back and attacked GZ just as GZ had stated- and as the medical evidence supports. In the struggle, GZ had to make a choice- what he's thinking is that if this asshole knocks me unconscious, he's going to kill me- just like TM said, "You're gonna die tonight", so I have to do something before it gets to that point. I can't take this high school football player on physically, I have a gun, this has gone far enough, I have no choice. Bang.

Now, personally I've already stated that I think it was foolish of GZ to get out of the car, and had he not done that- NONE of the ensuing events would have transpired- unless of course TM started skulking around the neighborhood looking for that car that was following him and ended up shot committing another burglary like the burglaries he almost certainly committed when burglary tools and almost certainly stolen items were found in his bag at school along with the marijuana. None of that can be used in court, but here's the thing: I'm not a judge, and I'm not sitting on the jury, so I'm at liberty to use my own common sense informed by experience to say that what we have in poor little unarmed black teenager TM is a budding hood rat, street thug, and general ne'er do well who, if he didn't end up killing someone himself, and/or going to prison for something else, would have ended up in a pool of his own blood at some point anyway. Because in Florida, in a place where burglaries happen (that isn't Miami) up here in the no man's land between Orlando and Jacksonville which is basically the South- someone will shoot your ass dead for the kind of shit TM was no doubt up to his eyeballs in.

We'll never know that of course, because the cops probably didn't have the presence of mind to get a search warrant and search TM, grab his phone and look at his movements, and basically make him that target of a burglary investigation because he's dead.

[TonyTiger]

May 3, 2013 15:33:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 3, 2013 15:10:17 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Tony-Even the chimps think it's funny you're trying to steer the conversation.  I'll  address what I wish to address.  

Understood... stick with the fluff-stuff... good choice... safer that way... 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 3, 2013 14:19:12 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 3, 2013 14:09:10 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

And doesn't Florida have some law that makes it legal for you to punch him? I heard about it someplace. Think it was called "Stand your ground", or something like that.

I've heard it has that law, but I also heard on CNN that Mr. Zimmerman has chosen not to pursue the stand your ground defense and go solely on self defense.

Zimmerman has chosen to forego the Stand Your Ground hearing for the moment.  Not asking for the hearing pre-trial doesn't preclude the law as a defense, nor does it preclude a SYG hearing at some later date.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 29, 2013 16:24:05 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

My money is on Rush Limbaugh laying the groundwork to say something even more pointed, along the lines of:

"You see. It's another god<bleep> Muslim terrorist and the media is burying his connection to Islam and trying to focus our attention on him being just another depressed college kid. Bull<bleep>."

Rush Limbaugh NEVER uses profanity on his show.  I've been listening since 1993.  It's actually kind of amazing.  Will he say hell and damn? Sure.  That's about it.

[EVT1]

This thread isn't about the Zimmerman case.

But- he is going to lose.  He will plead if his lawyer has any credibility.

You really think they can make the case that an unarmed teenager was going to beat GZ to death?  How many fights end up with a fatality?  By a teenager?  No, this case will rely on what was reasonable- and ass kicking or not it was not reasonable to kill that kid.  Bye George.