Rush says media treating Dzhokhar like Trayvon

[Opti]

thegrio.com/2013/04/23/rush-limbaugh-news-media-are-doing-to-dzhokhar-what-they-did-to-trayvon-martin/

Radio host Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves Tuesday and questioned the media’s portrayal of 19-year-old Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

In doing so, the conservative commentator compared the media’s treatment to Dzhokhar to Trayvon Martin.

Limbaugh used the audio bites to attack the press, claiming that the images are “not at all what he looks like today.” Instead, Limbaugh says he sees a “radical college kid.”

He asked, “Does that not bother anybody? A normal college kid is capable of putting together a pressure cooker bomb. This is how these things end up getting bastardized. This is how we end up not thinking ill of bad people.”



The last statement is what really caught my eye. The huge difference to me between Trayvon and Dzhokhar is the latter is verifiably on video as bombing innocent people. Do Rush and others need us to paint devil horns on those who do bad for some higher purpose?
In this specific case what does it matter what we think of Dzhokhar? He's guilty.


So I wonder what the PMers think. My first look at him was partially the very current stills from the videos showing him placing one of the backpacks.

[TonyTiger]

My money is on Rush Limbaugh laying the groundwork to say something even more pointed, along the lines of:

"You see. It's another god<bleep> Muslim terrorist and the media is burying his connection to Islam and trying to focus our attention on him being just another depressed college kid. Bull<bleep>."

[Opti]

Hadn't thought of that. I was just wondering about folks in the past like Scott Petersen who murdered his wife yet was (unfortunately) handsome.


You are probably right. Just judging folks on their actions wouldn't be all that Rush-like.

[mmhmm]

Apparently, Rush is short of things to complain about at the moment.  As far as I can tell, the press used the photographs they had, including those found on social media sites.  Frankly, with what happened in Boston ... with what these two did ...  I don't give a rat's patootie what either of them looked like!

[cereb]

Rush is one brain short of a brain......and he's a douche bag.

[Robert not Bobby]

What a bizarre comparison: one is a wanna be thug (maybe) the other is a wanna be terrorist. Two completely different motivations. One wants the great Satan to pay for his sneakers and more or less the rest of his life, the other wants to destroy the great Satan, so he can have his martyrdom.

Rush is such a bloated corpulent piece of crap. But you make these kinds of statements and you get some people on board. Rush is about ratings…the flatulent blowhard. But he is unintentionally funny. I can’t believe that millions take this utter buffoon seriously.

It’s entertainment folks…hasn’t he gone deaf yet (sorry…I wouldn’t want to wish that even on him).

[Spellbound454]

There was some sympathy for him because it was played out on TV...
He was descended on by 200 SWAT team members
chucking tear gas cannisters, bullets and explosions like something off Star Wars.

However...its probably better to let the story die down and bring this person to court.

[EVT1]

I get his point- and unless we start indicting people on looks who cares?  That's the great thing about using evidence to convict people.

What he is essentially saying is that the media is not making them look guilty- so I guess they need to find a scary photo of the bomber in some arab getup carrying a Koran and a roll of fuse....

What scares me is that he seems to think people will be swayed by the 'innocent photos', or that Trayvon's innocence would be destroyed by the 'proper' photos showing him as some gangster.  But-it doesn't matter what the heck either of them looked like.  Worse- in the TM case it is the manifestation of the bullshit blame the victim strategy.  I guess in a rape case 'ol Rush would complain about a photo of a victim wearing a nice dress instead of slut gear.

Must be a slow news day...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 29, 2013 16:08:18 GMT -5 Opti said:

thegrio.com/2013/04/23/rush-limbaugh-news-media-are-doing-to-dzhokhar-what-they-did-to-trayvon-martin/

Radio host Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves Tuesday and questioned the media’s portrayal of 19-year-old Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

In doing so, the conservative commentator compared the media’s treatment to Dzhokhar to Trayvon Martin.

Limbaugh used the audio bites to attack the press, claiming that the images are “not at all what he looks like today.” Instead, Limbaugh says he sees a “radical college kid.”

He asked, “Does that not bother anybody? A normal college kid is capable of putting together a pressure cooker bomb. This is how these things end up getting bastardized. This is how we end up not thinking ill of bad people.”



The last statement is what really caught my eye. The huge difference to me between Trayvon and Dzhokhar is the latter is verifiably on video as bombing innocent people. Do Rush and others need us to paint devil horns on those who do bad for some higher purpose?
In this specific case what does it matter what we think of Dzhokhar? He's guilty.


So I wonder what the PMers think. My first look at him was partially the very current stills from the videos showing him placing one of the backpacks.

Rush is commenting on a chronic problem in the liberal press where you can't be "that bad" if your the right color, or you have the correct political views.  Maybe there's a difference between Trayvon and the Boston terrorists, but there's no difference in how the media has attempted to portray them.  That's what the commentary is about.

However, if you prefer- the direction I would have taken is that there is no difference between the Boston terrorists, and Obama's friends William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn in whose Hyde Park Chicago living room, Obama's political career was born- www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/liar-in-chief-bill-ayers-confirms-obamas-explosive-career-started-in-his-living-room/

You know, William Ayers who is famous for saying, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird. Ain't America great?"

And who was, in a tragic coincidence, quoted in the 09.11.01 edition of The NY Times as saying, "I wish we had done more".  He later denied that meant "bombing more shit", but for a man best known for domestic terrorism, you'd think he'd have been clear about that BEFORE it became controversial, not later under scrutiny- which any sensible unrepentant terrorist would have seen coming.

Ayers defends himself when he says they only destroyed property, and three of his terrorist flunkies killed themselves-- but the reality is that they only failed to kill people because they were bad at it.  The group DID try, in fact, to trap a prosecutor and his entire family- wife and children included, in a house and blow it up / burn it down.  One of that prosecutor's children- a targeted victim- has a slightly different take than Obama's terrorist pal:

www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html

In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.

I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.

For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn’t have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck’s siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn’t fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.

Though no one was ever caught or tried for the attempt on my family’s life, there was never any doubt who was behind it. Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed my house, writes Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. And in late November that year, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers’s wife, promised more bombings.

You might recall, that it was members of the New Black Panther Party that stood outside a Philly polling place in military regalia armed with SWAT style batons deliberately and unambiguously intimidating voters.  The case was all but closed with a pending default judgment when Obama's Justice Department led by Eric Holder overruled them:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_intimidation_case

The Department of Justice became aware of the incident on Election Day and started an inquiry. Under the Bush administration, a criminal investigation into the incident was started, but later dropped.[10] Instead, in January 2009, less than two weeks before the Bush administration left office, the civil rights division of the Department of Justice filed a civil suit under the voting rights act against four defendants, namely, Minister King Samir Shabazz, Jerry Jackson, NBPP chairman Malik Zulu Shabazz, and the NBPP itself. The lawsuit accused them of using uniforms, racial insults and a weapon to intimidate voters and those who were there to assist them.[2] The case remained open when the Obama administration took office a few weeks later.

In April 2009 Bartie Bull, a former civil rights lawyer who was serving as a poll watcher at the polling station where the incident occurred, submitted an affidavit at Justice's request supporting the lawsuit, stating that he considered it to have been the most severe instance of voter intimidation he had ever encountered.[2][5]

When none of the defendants who were charged appeared in court to answer the charges, the career attorneys pursuing the lawsuit assumed that they would win it by default. However the career attorneys' move to pursue a default judgment against the defendants was overruled by two of their line superiors, Loretta King who was acting Assistant Attorney General and Steve Rosenbaum, Acting Deputy Assistant Attorney General.[3]

But hey- it's easier to make it about Rush.  It's OK.  I'm sure he's used to it.  He, more than anyone knows that we live in a country where you can't call a 30 some odd year old "college student" and political activist a slut without some kook on the left suggesting we modify the 1st Amendment to silence you.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2013 6:58:46 GMT -5 @steve said:

Apr 29, 2013 16:39:11 GMT -5 cereb said:

Rush is one brain short of a brain......and he's a douche bag.

Rush is not one brain short of a brain......and he's not a douche bag.

Liberal pundits are short of brains, such that if you counted up all the liberal pundits in existence, they would be short that number of brains.....and all of them are douche bags.

wow.  we love you too, steve.  jesus.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2013 9:36:21 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Apr 29, 2013 16:08:18 GMT -5 Opti said:

thegrio.com/2013/04/23/rush-limbaugh-news-media-are-doing-to-dzhokhar-what-they-did-to-trayvon-martin/

Radio host Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves Tuesday and questioned the media’s portrayal of 19-year-old Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

In doing so, the conservative commentator compared the media’s treatment to Dzhokhar to Trayvon Martin.

Limbaugh used the audio bites to attack the press, claiming that the images are “not at all what he looks like today.” Instead, Limbaugh says he sees a “radical college kid.”

He asked, “Does that not bother anybody? A normal college kid is capable of putting together a pressure cooker bomb. This is how these things end up getting bastardized. This is how we end up not thinking ill of bad people.”



The last statement is what really caught my eye. The huge difference to me between Trayvon and Dzhokhar is the latter is verifiably on video as bombing innocent people. Do Rush and others need us to paint devil horns on those who do bad for some higher purpose?
In this specific case what does it matter what we think of Dzhokhar? He's guilty.


So I wonder what the PMers think. My first look at him was partially the very current stills from the videos showing him placing one of the backpacks.

Rush is commenting on a chronic problem in the liberal press where you can't be "that bad" if your the right color, or you have the correct political views.  .

you seriously think this is ONLY a problem on the left?  SERIOUSLY?  wow.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2013 10:11:32 GMT -5 @steve said:

Apr 30, 2013 9:55:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

wow.  we love you too, steve.  jesus.

dont you think what I said was just a really stupid, ignorant thing to say that did nothing to move any kind of political discussion except insult those who disagreed with it? 

why?  were you trying to be ironic?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I wasn't being ironic in post #11. I suspect it'll mostly be ignored.

[mmhmm]

Apr 30, 2013 9:55:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 30, 2013 6:58:46 GMT -5 @steve said:

Rush is not one brain short of a brain......and he's not a douche bag.

Liberal pundits are short of brains, such that if you counted up all the liberal pundits in existence, they would be short that number of brains.....and all of them are douche bags.

wow.  we love you too, steve.  jesus.

*chuckle*  There are no "liberal pundits" on this board; at least, none I know of.  Rachel Maddow would probably qualify, as would Paul Krugman; however, I'm pretty sure neither they, nor their compatriots, post here.

[TonyTiger]

Apr 30, 2013 12:06:03 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Apr 30, 2013 9:55:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

"...There are no "liberal pundits" on this board..."

Oh, there are no Professional Liberal Pundits, quite probably, but, as to Amateur or Volunteer Liberal Pundits, well...     

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2013 12:06:03 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Apr 30, 2013 9:55:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

wow.  we love you too, steve.  jesus.

*chuckle*  There are no "liberal pundits" on this board; at least, none I know of.  Rachel Maddow would probably qualify, as would Paul Krugman; however, I'm pretty sure neither they, nor their compatriots, post here.

steve is not a conservative pundit, either.  however, my point was that we generally don't broadside pundits based on their positioning.  some are reasonable, and some a fargin insane (edit: or whatever the hell it was steve said).  to lump all of them into the insane camp (edit: or whatever the hell it was steve said) is proximately silly.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2013 12:13:31 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Apr 30, 2013 12:06:03 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

"...There are no "liberal pundits" on this board..."

Oh, there are no Professional Liberal Pundits, quite probably, but, as to Amateur or Volunteer Liberal Pundits, well...     

ditto for conservative, pundits, right? 

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2013 11:58:45 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I wasn't being ironic in post #11. I suspect it'll mostly be ignored.

i already commented on it in post 13.  will that be ignored, as well?

[TonyTiger]

Apr 30, 2013 12:14:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 30, 2013 12:13:31 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Oh, there are no Professional Liberal Pundits, quite probably, but, as to Amateur or Volunteer Liberal Pundits, well...     

ditto for conservative, pundits, right? 

Of course... that's a gimme... bloody obvious... no argument outta me... but that 'denial' was begging for a counterpoint... 

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2013 12:37:53 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Apr 30, 2013 12:14:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

ditto for conservative, pundits, right? 

Of course... that's a gimme... bloody obvious... no argument outta me... but that 'denial' was begging for a counterpoint... 

not seeing any denial, are you? 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 30, 2013 12:16:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 30, 2013 11:58:45 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I wasn't being ironic in post #11. I suspect it'll mostly be ignored.

i already commented on it in post 13.  will that be ignored, as well?

I made a statement- and I supported it with plenty of well-documented opinion of my own. You ignored ALL of the substance with the "conservative kids do it, too" argument. So, as a matter of fact- YOU DID ignore it.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2013 12:46:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 30, 2013 12:37:53 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Of course... that's a gimme... bloody obvious... no argument outta me... but that 'denial' was begging for a counterpoint... 

not seeing any denial, are you? 

This eyes can see....

[TonyTiger]

Apr 30, 2013 12:46:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 30, 2013 12:37:53 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Of course... that's a gimme... bloody obvious... no argument outta me... but that 'denial' was begging for a counterpoint... 

not seeing any denial, are you? 

M's denial, not yours... 

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2013 12:59:54 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Apr 30, 2013 12:46:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

not seeing any denial, are you? 

M's denial, not yours... 

[mmhmm]

A pundit, Tony, is "an expert in a particular subject or field who is frequently called upon to give their opinions to the public", according to the Oxford dictionary (which is my preferred source).  While we might have those here who think of themselves as pundits, the real McCoy is not in residence on these message boards.  Just a buncha wannabes.

[mmhmm]

Apr 30, 2013 12:13:37 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 30, 2013 12:06:03 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

*chuckle*  There are no "liberal pundits" on this board; at least, none I know of.  Rachel Maddow would probably qualify, as would Paul Krugman; however, I'm pretty sure neither they, nor their compatriots, post here.

steve is not a conservative pundit, either.  however, my point was that we generally don't broadside pundits based on their positioning.  some are reasonable, and some a fargin insane (edit: or whatever the hell it was steve said).  to lump all of them into the insane camp (edit: or whatever the hell it was steve said) is proximately silly.

I'd agree.  I doubt most of them are insane.  They probably have about the same percentage of insanity as the rest of the population, come to think of it.  However, they put themselves out there in the public eye, so they're going to take some hits for it.  Not all of those hits will be well thought out.  It's a given.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2013 13:11:43 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

A pundit, Tony, is "an expert in a particular subject or field who is frequently called upon to give their opinions to the public", according to the Oxford dictionary (which is my preferred source).  While we might have those here who think of themselves as pundits, the real McCoy is not in residence on these message boards.  Just a buncha wannabes.

 I suspect "wannabes" is a trifle... euphemistic.
 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

A lot of this is coming down to the fact that liberals and conservatives are living in two different universes. Conservatives live in reality, RINOs, Politicos, liberals, Democrats, LIVs, et al all live in an alternate universe informed entirely by a political agenda- if it helps, it's aired. If it doesn't, it's buried, or explained away.

The left spent the days leading up to the capture of yet another islamist terrorist hoping he would turn out to be white, lest it harm their political agenda...

www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/

They are OBSESSED with political power, and they are obsessed with race, sexual orientation, and other superficial adjectives that advance their political agenda. Here's a guy who doesn't understand why we're all up in arms over three people dead in Boston, but we don't care about 26 people dead in Newtown, CT. The reason he doesn't get it- though he did have it explained to him- is that to liberals, if you're not on board with their political agenda, you're "against" people. You don't care. You're not compassionate.

www.mediaite.com/online/mark-levin-goes-ballistic-on-stupid-sick-minded-caller-shouts-at-him-repeatedly-before-kicking-him-off/

Yesterday CNN devoted a good portion of their daily news coverage to the sexual orientation of a 36 year old "free agent" (unemployed) NBA player who played in 6 of 82 games scoring an average of 1.1 points a game.

They have yet to devote any serious prime time discussion to the baby butcher Kermit Gosnell. And liberals freely admit the coverage of Gosnell is being avoided and downplayed because it'll hurt the far left radical taxpayer funded abortion on demand agenda.

newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2013/04/29/cnn-hypes-gay-nba-players-bombshell-announcement-one-history-books

www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/16/excuses-excuses-after-liberal-media-finally-covers-gosnell-trial/

[Deleted]

 Today is the 68th anniversary of the suicide of Adolf Hitler.
 What a pity that his distorted world views, politics and obsessions didn't die with him... 

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2013 12:51:06 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Apr 30, 2013 12:16:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i already commented on it in post 13.  will that be ignored, as well?

I made a statement- and I supported it with plenty of well-documented opinion of my own. You ignored ALL of the substance with the "conservative kids do it, too" argument. So, as a matter of fact- YOU DID ignore it.

no.  that is not how i replied to your statement, Paul.  but nice inoculation for your non-reading.