Should the parents of the Boston Bombers be let into the U.S

[Nazgul Girl]

     I can understand that they are in a state of shock and disbelief, as well as a healthy helping of denial, but I don't see any reason why the government should let them in.   They have stated that they believe we framed their lovely offspring, and that "we" killed Son #1.   Please keep them out, government agencies.  

[Malarky]

In answer to your opening question: NO.

NO. NO. NO. 

[Deleted]

On what legal grounds could you deny them? They didn't commit the crime(s).

On the other hand the mother could get arrested if there's still an outstanding warrent for her felony shoplifting conviction.

[Nazgul Girl]

    There is probably something the gov't could cook up since we really don't know what, if anything, the parents have been doing in the political arena or who they've been associating with for the last eight to ten years.  

[swamp]

Are they citizens? If they are, I don't think we can deny them entry.

[Opti]

I think Mom is still a citizen but Dad is not.

[Deleted]

Apr 25, 2013 19:23:06 GMT -5 Nazgul Girl said:

    There is probably something the gov't could cook up since we really don't know what, if anything, the parents have been doing in the political arena or who they've been associating with for the last eight to ten years.  

And if they didn't do anything?

Look, I'm not their fan but I doubt very much that the parents had anything to do with the bombings. These kids have been on their own for awhile.

The idea of our government "cooking" anything up seems right on par with their claims that their kids were "framed".

My opinion is to let them come, see the photos in person, meet the survivors and experience the horror their children wrought.

[Tiny]

Apr 25, 2013 18:53:38 GMT -5 Nazgul Girl said:

     I can understand 

[Tiny]

Apr 25, 2013 20:11:16 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Apr 25, 2013 18:53:38 GMT -5 Nazgul Girl said:

     I can understand that they are in a state of shock and disbelief, as well as a healthy helping of denial, but I don't see any reason why the government should let them in.   They have stated that they believe we framed their lovely offspring, and that "we" killed Son #1.   Please keep them out, government agencies.  

So, what are the suspects parents suppose to do/say?  denounce their sons publicly?     I'd find that kind of a response more creepy and disturbing then what they've said.   I can understand their anger/disbelief - especially when thrust into the media spot light - maybe with very little information about their sons.

They are parents who,  in theory, loved their sons.  

I think they should be allowed in to the country - but without a lot of media coverage - so if they are evil - they won't be able to create a media circus OR if they are good they'll have the privacy they deserve at this time. 

[Sum Dum Gai]

No they shouldn't be let in.  They've been associating with terrorists (their sons).

[chiver78]

I've had a really hard time following coverage since Marathon Monday. what I know now is that the mother of those asshats has an outstanding warrant for her arrest, and that she's been interviewed as a wailing woman decrying how our nation has taken her children from her. ummm, I'm sorry ma'am, but your children saw fit to blow up civilians who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

honey, I'm sorry for the loss of your children, but that's really all you're going to get from me right now. I'll say it's likely the high point for your general sympathy too, as details continue to emerge......nothing new has improved your cause in my eyes as I'm intimately familiar with the neighborhood where your boys chose to pitch bombs at first responders, and where one of your sons met his untimely death as he flipped off his opposition. what they chose to do in that neighborhood was exactly that - THEIR choice. IMHO, karma will find your "dear sons" in her own good time, and she doesn't suffer assholes lightly. if I were you, I'd pray more that karma spares them, than that she rights the "wrongs" of how America has taken them from you.......someone else who has chosen to thumb their nose at our country in renouncing her own citizenship.

and onto better and more positive news, puhleeze.....

[Opti]

Look, I'm not their fan but I doubt very much that the parents had anything to do with the bombings. These kids have been on their own for awhile.

The idea of our government "cooking" anything up seems right on par with their claims that their kids were "framed".

If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd suggest perhaps Dad taught elder son how to create bombs when he went to visit for six months. Dad says elder son was with him all the time so ... ?

The idea that the government would cook up training the kids to kill our own citizens is ludicrous. I suppose the belief of framing them for the crime might be more understandable given they are from Russia. I am concerned given what they have been saying that they could possibly do something like the sons have done if they come here. Unless the translators are screwing up I don't think these parents are benign.

[Opti]

Chiver, if she's renounced her citizenship that's good news to me.

[Sum Dum Gai]

If we do let mom in she should be locked up for her outstanding warrant, and I'd suggest the closest prison to Boston.  I'm sure the locals there will show her the sympathy she seems to deserve.

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

The parents are out there vocally creating a martyr of their son or sons. That feeds the beast of anti-American sentiment in unknown regions, minds, and communities. Perhaps if they were given an opportunity to face and accept tangible proof that their sons committed this crime, the martyr idea will be quelled. No matter how you feel about the parents' closure, there could be a real benefit to the US to showing them things first-hand.

[Nazgul Girl]

    I just can't stand listening to the terrorists' parents' press conferences when they arrive upon our shores.   They can kiss my shiny metal ass.    They will just want to condemn America and try to garner all of the attention they can.   They're a public relations disaster waiting to happen, and will probably wind up all over Al Jazeera and be used to inspire more terrorists.   Keep them out.

[chiver78]

Apr 25, 2013 20:32:19 GMT -5 Opti said:

Chiver, if she's renounced her citizenship that's good news to me.

that seems to be what the prevailing winds say, since her warrant dictates that she'll be arrested on landing. I'll wait to party until I see someone in that family stand in court to face charges for the absolute chaos they created last Monday.....and while I'm hopeful, I am not at all holding my breath.

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

Apr 25, 2013 20:09:52 GMT -5 @bonnap said:

Apr 25, 2013 19:23:06 GMT -5 Nazgul Girl said:

    There is probably something the gov't could cook up since we really don't know what, if anything, the parents have been doing in the political arena or who they've been associating with for the last eight to ten years.  

And if they didn't do anything?

Look, I'm not their fan but I doubt very much that the parents had anything to do with the bombings. These kids have been on their own for awhile.

The idea of our government "cooking" anything up seems right on par with their claims that their kids were "framed".

My opinion is to let them come, see the photos in person, meet the survivors and experience the horror their children wrought.

I read an interesting article the other day talking to a young woman whose father was a serial killer. She talks a lot about the difficulties faced by family members of killers, both from internal feelings and from the shame of guilt by genetic association that the public subjects uninvolved family members to.

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

Apr 25, 2013 20:37:55 GMT -5 Nazgul Girl said:

    I just can't stand listening to the terrorists' parents' press conferences when they arrive upon our shores.   They can kiss my shiny metal ass.    They will just want to condemn America and try to garner all of the attention they can.   They're a public relations disaster waiting to happen, and will probably wind up all over Al Jazeera and be used to inspire more terrorists.   Keep them out.

Thats already happening. I think a guided tour of reality might actually be the solution to that problem.

[Sum Dum Gai]

I think a guided tour of reality might actually be the solution to that problem.

It won't accomplish anything.  She'll say the videos are forgeries and the US set up her sons, who are totally innocent and weren't even at the marathon.  They're only being targeted so the government can say they caught the guys, or something stupid like that.  I'll bet hundred dollar bills to donuts that the parents find some way to rationalize this and go to their graves believing their sons were innocent.

While the parents are touring Boston to see what their kids did, a local might take things into their own hands and make the parents martyrs.

I see no possible good that can come from those parents being allowed in Boston.

[Opti]

Apr 25, 2013 20:36:10 GMT -5 Rocky Mtn Saver said:

The parents are out there vocally creating a martyr of their son or sons. That feeds the beast of anti-American sentiment in unknown regions, minds, and communities. Perhaps if they were given an opportunity to face and accept tangible proof that their sons committed this crime, the martyr idea will be quelled. No matter how you feel about the parents' closure, there could be a real benefit to the US to showing them things first-hand.

This assumes that "proof" like videotapes would matter to them. The fact that they came out
swinging against the US immediately makes me think nothing would satisfy them. If they had only insisted they were framed I might be inclined to share your hope.

Both the parents and the uncle were pretty extreme in their views. I can understand the uncle being extreme as a safety mechanism. The only good reason to be anti-US from the start would be because you knew some shady characters elder son hung out with when he was back and you want to stay on their good side and alive. If you really wanted cooperation from the US when the sons were being tracked down I think you'd save the rant for later. JMO.

[Deleted]

First, I don't think mom and dad are particularly bright and I think the uncle who called them "losers" had it right.

I don't think there's much difference between these F-U kids and some of the whacked out right wing nut jobs who bomb abortion clinics or the Oklahoma City bomber or other anti-government sickos. They are failures because "everyone is against them" and find some cause to be a martyr for.

We'll see if mom and dad actually can pull it together to buy a ticket.

[Sammy]

Screw them!  The father wants to come here to pick up his sons body.   I don't want him here to take center stage in the news taking away the progress we have been making trying to heal.   What was the remark from one of the lunatics..... oh ya, send your kid to America so he/she can become drug addicts and learn to drink.   Yep, we force stupid kids to do naughty things so they can turn into murderers.   Yep, all our fault.  

As a parent I am sorry to see the parents of two murdering sons facing their worst nightmare, but as an American I feel we own them nothing.  

[Opti]

Another thing about Dad has me wondering. If they originally came here for political asylum, how is it that it was OK for him to go back in 10 years or whatever time it was? I realize he isn't living in Chechnya, but he's close enough that if he had been in physical danger then or something similar I would think they'd be able to reach him.


Just seems very odd to me.

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

Who said anything about video tapes? There are hundreds of witnesses to speak with her, dozens of injured people to talk with directly. She said she has only seen the conspiracy websites. Of course her perspective is skewed. There would be a lot better chance of restoring it in Boston than there ever will be inDazagstan. Her own son could clear up a lot for her. He seemed willing to speak of what happened. Perhaps it wouldn't work, but without trying anything new, that family will continue to do what they have been doing and feed the martyr story.

[bean29]

Apr 25, 2013 20:16:15 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

No they shouldn't be let in.  They've been associating with terrorists (their sons).

Agree with Dark here. There was an article on MSN earlier today about Alcaida's most powerful recruiting tool ie. Family members. If we let them in, they better have a 24/7 escort.

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[Opti]

Apr 25, 2013 21:18:19 GMT -5 Rocky Mtn Saver said:

Who said anything about video tapes? There are hundreds of witnesses to speak with her, dozens of injured people to talk with directly. She said she has only seen the conspiracy websites. Of course her perspective is skewed. There would be a lot better chance of restoring it in Boston than there ever will be inDazagstan. Her own son could clear up a lot for her. He seemed willing to speak of what happened. Perhaps it wouldn't work, but without trying anything new, that family will continue to do what they have been doing and feed the martyr story.

Rocky, how many witnesses and injured folk do you think actually knew it was one of the
brothers before the video tapes came out? I don't think she doubts it happened, I think she doubts it was her sons.

In the unlikely event she changes her mind, my bet is she would go silent instead of actively renounce what she said before. Not sure if that would be much of an improvement.

[Sum Dum Gai]

There are hundreds of witnesses to speak with her, dozens of injured people to talk with directly.

Most of whom are going to say they were standing in the crowd enjoying the race one minute, and then there was a huge flash or bang, and the next thing they knew it was pandemonium.  Nobody knew who did it at the time it happened.

The only person she might believe is her son, if she doesn't think he was tortured or coerced into confessing.  That's the bitch about Guantanamo, the whole world thinks we're willing to torture false confessions out of people because we spent several years doing it.

[souldoubt]

When news broke the dad said the US would regret killing the younger son while they were searching for him.  I don't care what was going through his mind at that time or if it was an empty threat he shouldn't be allowed on US soil.  

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

She has said that she believes the bombing was a hoax, and also that her sons didn't do it. Presented with living proof that it was not a hoax, she might only have the second part to cling to. That would be a tougher sell. There would certainly be a lot of emotional baggage and history of that region to work through, but it might be worth a shot. Even if it just caused her to stop talking, that would be an improvement to the current situation. If the US government denies that family any access, what do you think they will believe even stronger? And be even more vocal and vehement about? What, they will ask the world, are the Americans hiding?