Rocky Mtn Saver
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Apr 25, 2013 22:34:08 GMT -5
When news broke the dad said the US would regret killing the younger son while they were searching for him. I don't care what was going through his mind at that time or if it was an empty threat he shouldn't be allowed on US soil. We dont deport every angry parent that says bad things about cops while a manhunt is going on for their child.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 25, 2013 23:09:42 GMT -5
Are you kidding? If there's one thing humans are good at it's deluding ourselves. I'll bet quite a few convicted murderers on death row have moms sitting around somewhere convinced they were framed, set up, or that the cops have the wrong guy.
It's the same thing as when a teacher calls a parent in to talk about their kids behavior and the first thing out of the parents mouth is almost always, "My son/daughter would never do that." Doesn't matter that there are adults standing there telling them that they watched it with their own eyes.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 26, 2013 8:13:34 GMT -5
The parents are out there vocally creating a martyr of their son or sons. That feeds the beast of anti-American sentiment in unknown regions, minds, and communities. Perhaps if they were given an opportunity to face and accept tangible proof that their sons committed this crime, the martyr idea will be quelled. No matter how you feel about the parents' closure, there could be a real benefit to the US to showing them things first-hand. This assumes that "proof" like videotapes would matter to them. The fact that they came out swinging against the US immediately makes me think nothing would satisfy them. If they had only insisted they were framed I might be inclined to share your hope. Both the parents and the uncle were pretty extreme in their views. I can understand the uncle being extreme as a safety mechanism. The only good reason to be anti-US from the start would be because you knew some shady characters elder son hung out with when he was back and you want to stay on their good side and alive. If you really wanted cooperation from the US when the sons were being tracked down I think you'd save the rant for later. JMO. [img]http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahthat.gif[/img] If we let the mother in, it is only with the agreement that she STFU. End of story. Then, we whisk her off to jail to face the shoplifting charges.
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Post by reader79 on Apr 26, 2013 8:23:41 GMT -5
What kind of living proof is anyone talking about putting in front of her - there is no way in hell that she would leave the hospital uninjured if I was a victim and she was brought into my room, near my family. We don't owe them anything. I feel that the father should be denied entry based on his comments about what would happen if they killed his second son. Because he already holds us accountable for the death of his eldest, and there is no telling what kind of revenge he thinks is justified. The mother has a warrant, right? If she dares to take a plane here, arrest her ass upon leaving the plane, and keep her in a cell.
We really want to expend the resources to escort these people around the city, to protect them should a Bostonian wish them harm, and to give them unlimited access to the media - who will flock to them and report every word/gesture/fart that comes out? They are not going to change their stance, and suddenly repent and start apologizing for raising such losers.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 26, 2013 9:27:00 GMT -5
Who said anything about video tapes? There are hundreds of witnesses to speak with her, dozens of injured people to talk with directly. She said she has only seen the conspiracy websites. Of course her perspective is skewed. There would be a lot better chance of restoring it in Boston than there ever will be inDazagstan. Her own son could clear up a lot for her. He seemed willing to speak of what happened. Perhaps it wouldn't work, but without trying anything new, that family will continue to do what they have been doing and feed the martyr story. Rocky, how many witnesses and injured folk do you think actually knew it was one of the brothers before the video tapes came out? I don't think she doubts it happened, I think she doubts it was her sons. In the unlikely event she changes her mind, my bet is she would go silent instead of actively renounce what she said before. Not sure if that would be much of an improvement. Jeff Bauman did. he's "the guy in the gray shirt" that lost both legs below the knee. I heard an interview with him this morning on my way in to work. he said he made eye contact with the now-dead guy and immediately thought "what's this guy's problem?" that he just didn't seem right. I'd love to see what those parents would have to say to him.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 26, 2013 10:46:28 GMT -5
No, I don't think they should be allowed into the U.S.
In a braoder sense, I think this whole incident highlights some of the security problems we currently face with our immigration system. Obviously the vast majority of people looking to immigrate to the U.S are not terrorists, but this shows that we need boarder security and good screening of applicants.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 26, 2013 10:49:34 GMT -5
So, what are the suspects parents suppose to do/say? denounce their sons publicly? I'd find that kind of a response more creepy and disturbing then what they've said. I can understand their anger/disbelief - especially when thrust into the media spot light - maybe with very little information about their sons. They are parents who, in theory, loved their sons. I think they should be allowed in to the country - but without a lot of media coverage - so if they are evil - they won't be able to create a media circus OR if they are good they'll have the privacy they deserve at this time. You really think it's a good idea to let in known associates of terrorists?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 26, 2013 11:08:02 GMT -5
How long can we keep someone in jail over shoplifting?
I think this family just goes to show you that there are dysfunctional, delusional people everyone - in all cultures around the world. I know plenty of USA people that won't take the blame for anything. She is probably just one of "those types."
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Post by souldoubt on Apr 26, 2013 11:55:29 GMT -5
When news broke the dad said the US would regret killing the younger son while they were searching for him. I don't care what was going through his mind at that time or if it was an empty threat he shouldn't be allowed on US soil. We dont deport every angry parent that says bad things about cops while a manhunt is going on for their child. Which is an apples to oranges comparison because we're talking about two people who aren't currently in the US. One has a warrant outstanding and the other isn't a citizen.
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Post by reader79 on Apr 26, 2013 14:09:47 GMT -5
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Post by Malarky on Apr 26, 2013 19:08:48 GMT -5
How about we don't waste any more of my tax dollars having to watch them if we let them get back into the country? They would require 24/7 supervision. Already, the amount of manpower involved in finding their sons is mind boggling. And I'm feeling confident that they won't be paying the freight.
Letting them back serves no useful purpose. I don't consider making them feel better important or useful.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Apr 26, 2013 20:20:58 GMT -5
To clarify, both names were added to a database based on the request of the Russians. My understanding is that the FBI investigated and found nothing linking either the mother or the older son to any terroristic involvement. The FBI closed the investigation upon finding nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 20:28:14 GMT -5
Tonight (my time) I read that the mom is now saying that everybody knows that the blood that was visible after the Marathon bombings was just "red paint".
Also, they have apparently relocated elsewhere in Russia. I found that really interesting, I guess they aren't getting much compassion where they were, despite a dead son, a nearly dead son, and all that "red paint" that the CIA and FBI probably get a huge discount on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 20:30:13 GMT -5
ETA: I didn't know the mother was on the list as well, but I'm guessing she "got off" on the same spelling error.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 20:39:50 GMT -5
Thyme, there was a great article on Slate or Salon a day or two ago on the mom, by a young woman journalist who used to go to her for facials with her mother and sister. Not a Pulitzer article for sure, but interesting nonetheless, because the writer described her relationship with the family, and her increasing discomfort over time as the mom became more "militant" (for lack of a better word).
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 26, 2013 20:40:15 GMT -5
Tonight (my time) I read that the mom is now saying that everybody knows that the blood that was visible after the Marathon bombings was just "red paint".Also, they have apparently relocated elsewhere in Russia. I found that really interesting, I guess they aren't getting much compassion where they were, despite a dead son, a nearly dead son, and all that "red paint" that the CIA and FBI probably get a huge discount on. I haven't seen this (bold) but my blood's run cold again, just reading about it. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/melancholy.png) ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/angry.png) I reiterate my first comments in this thread, and hope that the lost and injured souls find peace. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rose.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 20:52:01 GMT -5
Chive I'm sorry. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) I don't remember where I read that. It is late here and I am too tired to find it now. I am a total news junkie (former print journalist) so I read the US, UK and French press, every day. Then when something like this happens I don't necessarily remember where I saw what. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) If anybody wants to look, my guess is that it was on either Salon, Slate, or HuffPo. But that article that I just linked for Thyme was originally on Slate, then they took it down.
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Post by Jaguar on Apr 26, 2013 20:53:54 GMT -5
I seen it on both CNN & FoxNews, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 20:56:57 GMT -5
And (finally) the interview with the victim of the carjacking is on boston dot com
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 21:00:55 GMT -5
Quote from the CNN article (pretty low down though):
Their mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaev, told CNN's Nick Paton Walsh that she didn't want to accept the reality of the bombing, saying it was fake. She has seen a video pushing the wild idea, she said, adding that there was no blood -- and that paint was used instead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 21:02:21 GMT -5
Thanks Sugilite! I tried to "like" your comment but it didn't work.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 26, 2013 21:20:51 GMT -5
thanks, debt. I haven't followed much of the national coverage since last week, it's just been too much for me. this all absolutely happened in my backyard - I grew up along the race route, most years we would watch the leaders pass us in my neighborhood and then head in to the finish line. I also spent a lot of time during/after college in the neighborhood where idiot #2 was finally apprehended. I read the carjacking victim's account earlier today and actually caught myself missing a breath when he gave a street name in Watertown from one of their passes through town before the shit totally hit the fan - the house my friend grew up in, where I spent many an overnight sleeping off the evening's fun, and where his parents still live - it's on Fairfield. I think I just need to back away from anything and everything involving coverage of these people....for my own sanity. I much prefer hearing about the people who are surviving and thriving in spite of these coward brothers. Jeff Bauman (AKA "the guy in the gray shirt") has already been released from hospital, and has already started PT and rebuilding his life. every single update I see/hear about him, he continues to amaze me. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/heart.png) Mrs Tsarnaeva hasn't had anything to say that's improved my impression of her, or her sons for that matter. honestly, I wish she would actually come here, so she could be arrested and finally squelched in the media. I can't imagine the security for her would add much to that the taxpayers are already on the hook for with her son, just stick 'em in adjoining solitary cells and call it good. I've said elsewhere, I'd love to put her in a room with Jeff (since he's on-camera still covered in bomb dust/shrapnel) and see what she has to say. I don't hold my breath that she'd STFU after the meeting, I am still realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 21:29:32 GMT -5
OMG Chive we both pretty much feel the same way. I had the same thoughts about letting Mama Terrorist in and then arresting her.
I have "RL" friends in the area and I know how hard it has been on all of you. I think you are right to "back away" for now. I am just gutted that they hit the people in another city the way they hit my peeps in NYC on 9-11.
But, you need to know that you share your city. I posted on my FB account about reading an Oped from someone who went to BU both undergrad and grad, and who said that although we may not have grown up in Boston, nor live in Boston now, if we went to school there, Boston is and will always be a part of us. SO true!!!
Just sign me Waltham LOL.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 26, 2013 21:32:53 GMT -5
![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/heart.png) you are Boston too. thank you
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 21:39:48 GMT -5
No, thank YOU Chive <3. Both my nieces went there too, and one of my two nephews. And DS3 dreams of going there too.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 26, 2013 21:48:31 GMT -5
love it......just puhleeze let me talk your DS3 into a better school than BU! (I'm a Northeastern Husky )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 21:53:51 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant Boston, not necessarily BU.
One niece and nephew went to BU, the other niece and I both went to Brandeis.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 21:59:32 GMT -5
And this may not be appropriate, but the younger brother came to the US at 8 (nearly 9) and obviously fit in. The older brother apparently wrote that he had no American friends and he didn't understand them.
His "best friend" at the time was found dead with two roommates, a year or two ago. Covered in marijuana.
The first time I read about that, I thought, OMG he did it. Now the police are looking into it. The "strange fact" is that once the best friend died, the older brother never showed up, never paid his respects, and didn't even go to the funeral.
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