I really wish we didn't have all these guns in the house...

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While I expect Mmhmm is not a Paul fan, I personally have watched her remove poster bashing comments like the one that has been on this thread for 4 or so hours. IMO, she doesn't want that type of comment any more than you do.

Not agreeing with Paul's thread and intentions is not the same as telling people its OK to
go after him personally.

[mmhmm]

I just got here.  The offending post has been edited.  Personal insults are not allowed and will be removed.  If you'd like to comment on the contents of a post, whether your comment is positive, or negative, that's fine. Insults directed toward the poster will be removed if, and when we see them.  Additionally, if you have a complaint about moderation, take it to PMs.  It is not to be posted on the open board so others have to wade through it.  Those posts will also be removed, as will steve's and all copies of it. - mmhmm, P&M Moderator thanks those who reported the post

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Remember all the politicization of Hurricane Sandy, in the immediate aftermath, as a means to garner support for the alarmist view of global warming.  I didn't see the same anger from people here when that happened.  A lot more people were harmed in that incident.  Paul did make a valid statement.  Point being that most would certainly prefer to have a gun if an armed, desperate maniac were trying to avoid capture in their neighborhood.

Wrong to politicize this, though, I agree.

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Apr 20, 2013 8:30:28 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Where are our handsomely paid, round-the-clock moderators? How dare they rest what with the hard earned money we pay them to moderate these boards.

I would need to be handsomely paid to moderate P&M even if its nowhere near as crazy
as it was in the MSN days.

[Tennesseer]

Another angel lost its wings.

[Opti]

"Anyone who is planning on being a douche and disagreeing with that should stfu."

That statement is better discussed via PMs with Mmhmm, Moon, or other mods than this thread. FWIW, it probably skates the line as an opinion being not directed towards anyone
personally.

[cereb]

"Agreed. My city is a shit storm. So if you plan on being a douche about it, STFU."


Steve, the above is my exact statement with which you are taking issue with.If you are going to bitch about it, the least you can do is get it accurate.

[billisonboard]

Apr 20, 2013 9:03:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Time for a musical interlude

Should have waited until the coffee had kicked in this fine Saturday morning.

[mmhmm]

Apr 20, 2013 8:55:11 GMT -5 Opti said:

"Anyone who is planning on being a douche and disagreeing with that should stfu."

That statement is better discussed via PMs with Mmhmm, Moon, or other mods than this thread. FWIW, it probably skates the line as an opinion being not directed towards anyone
personally.

Precisely.  That statement isn't aimed at another poster.  It's a general statement, not a personal insult.

[8 Bit WWBG]

Mods get paid?

Even the Presidential candidates managed to cool it during the various massacres that happened during the campaign season.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 19, 2013 13:47:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

What the hell...link please.

I am the source.

[Tennesseer]

Yes you are.  And quite often you're the source of misinformation.  

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 20, 2013 8:43:16 GMT -5 @steve said:

Paul did make a valid statement.

It was a very valid statement about people in Boston being in danger and how current political thinking is affecting them.  One of the state senators in Arkansas tweeted the same sentiment.
 Anyone who is planning on being a douche and disagreeing with that should stfu. 

I guess that kind of talk is allowed since it wasnt deleted when someone else said it.

It's OK, steve.  Paul makes a lot of valid statements that are lost on some people.  Paul has grown used to this.  Paul doesn't normally like it when people refer to themselves in the third person, but even Paul can down a beer or three and make an exception. 

When does Obama appear visibly angry?  After some a**hole he let in here blows up Americans competing in a race, and their children and families?  No.  After Americans make it clear to the Democrat controlled Senate that "Shall Not Be Infringed" means SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

[Tennesseer]

Well I see this has turned into a gun thread.

[Tennesseer]

There is something wrong with people who write about themselves in the third person.

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Apr 21, 2013 13:41:03 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

When does Obama appear visibly angry?  After some a**hole he let in here blows up Americans competing in a race, and their children and families?  No.  After Americans make it clear to the Democrat controlled Senate that "Shall Not Be Infringed" means SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Uh, both brothers came to the U.S. during Bush's presidency.  But don't mind those pesky little facts... you're on a roll.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 21, 2013 15:09:09 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

Apr 21, 2013 13:41:03 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

When does Obama appear visibly angry?  After some a**hole he let in here blows up Americans competing in a race, and their children and families?  No.  After Americans make it clear to the Democrat controlled Senate that "Shall Not Be Infringed" means SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Uh, both brothers came to the U.S. during Bush's presidency.  But don't mind those pesky little facts... you're on a roll.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev got a green card in 2007, and became a naturalized United States citizen on Sept. 11, 2012, officials said. Tamerlan was denied citizenship after he was involved in a domestic-violence episode, his father said.

www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?hp&_r=0

[Peace Of Mind]

I've thought about this and my first thought was that if something like that happened here I'd wish I had a gun (I am not a gun owner nor is my DH).  Then I imagined my nerves being shot from all that is happening and some poor neighbor that I won't recognize come to our home needing help and me blowing them away thinking it was the perpetrator.  I'd rather err on the safe side and hope our cops know what they are doing.  I also have 2 cops near by.  One is next door and the other ones (husband and wife) 2 houses down and I have faith that they'd know what to do.  I could not live with myself if I panicked and killed an innocent person.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 21, 2013 13:42:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Well I see this has turned into a gun thread.

I know you don't read my posts- but you should at LEAST read the thread titles. 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 21, 2013 15:46:53 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

I've thought about this and my first thought was that if something like that happened here I'd wish I had a gun (I am not a gun owner nor is my DH).  Then I imagined my nerves being shot from all that is happening and some poor neighbor that I won't recognize come to our home needing help and me blowing them away thinking it was the perpetrator.  I'd rather err on the safe side and hope our cops know what they are doing.  I also have 2 cops near by.; One is next door and the other ones (husband and wife) 2 houses down and I have faith that they'd know what to do.  I could not live with myself if I panicked and killed an innocent person.

I'd rather have a gun- and have my neighbors err on the side of safe.

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Apr 21, 2013 15:23:29 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Apr 21, 2013 15:09:09 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

Uh, both brothers came to the U.S. during Bush's presidency.  But don't mind those pesky little facts... you're on a roll.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev got a green card in 2007, and became a naturalized United States citizen on Sept. 11, 2012, officials said. Tamerlan was denied citizenship after he was involved in a domestic-violence episode, his father said.

www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?hp&_r=0

So, um... who was the president in 2007 again?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Are you admitting that 9/11/01 was actually Clinton's fault?

Who made him a citizen less than a year ago? Who was running the FBI when we let the older brother BACK IN after a 6 month visit to a radicalized area? The fact is that the ball was dropped on OBAMA's watch, not Bush. Obama has been president for going on FIVE years.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 21, 2013 15:52:53 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Apr 21, 2013 13:42:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Well I see this has turned into a gun thread.

I know you don't read my posts- but you should at LEAST read the thread titles. 

You must have intentionally skipped this thread. And here you are posting pictures of disarming.

Apr 19, 2013 17:31:10 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I imagine that's what most people are doing if they own guns, Malarky.  Thing is, what happened in Boston isn't about guns.  It's about death, sadness, and loss, at this point.  If this thread turns itself into another discussion about guns, I'll lock it.

mmhmm,  P&M Moderator

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Apr 21, 2013 16:05:35 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Are you admitting that 9/11/01 was actually Clinton's fault?

Who made him a citizen less than a year ago? Who was running the FBI when we let the older brother BACK IN after a 6 month visit to a radicalized area? The fact is that the ball was dropped on OBAMA's watch, not Bush. Obama has been president for going on FIVE years.

I don't think the 9/11 attacks were Clinton's fault... but I also don't think they were Bush's fault.  We can discuss that in another thread if you like.

This is just a new usage of the term "let in here" to me.  It would be interesting to see it applied to undocumented workers, but that to is an issue for another thread.

In my experience, I have always thought that I let people into my home when I opened my door to them, not when I added their name to the mortgage.  But you know a lot more about real estate than me, so maybe without any sort of permanent legal status, my houseguests were never really here? 

[Peace Of Mind]

Apr 21, 2013 15:54:18 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Apr 21, 2013 15:46:53 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

I've thought about this and my first thought was that if something like that happened here I'd wish I had a gun (I am not a gun owner nor is my DH).  Then I imagined my nerves being shot from all that is happening and some poor neighbor that I won't recognize come to our home needing help and me blowing them away thinking it was the perpetrator.  I'd rather err on the safe side and hope our cops know what they are doing.  I also have 2 cops near by.; One is next door and the other ones (husband and wife) 2 houses down and I have faith that they'd know what to do.  I could not live with myself if I panicked and killed an innocent person.

I'd rather have a gun- and have my neighbors err on the side of safe.

I'd rather hide out at their house and let those that know how to do it right - do it. 

[Miss Tequila]

Apr 19, 2013 17:23:38 GMT -5 Malarky said:

I usually avoid these threads like the plague.

My preference would be that the suspect be caught by now.  But...were I home in MA right now, one of our guns would not be locked up. 

No hoopla and histrionics, just a law abiding citizen doing what I can to protect myself.There are all kinds of people like me.

The assumption that we can count on law enforcement to be everywhere and do everything is flawed, imho.   

That is a very honest, reasonable answser.  I am all for a person's right to bear arms, even though I choose not to have one myself.  I have to say, if I were in lockdown like those in Watertown were this week, I would want my husband home iwth his arsenal of guns.  I would have felt much safer.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 21, 2013 16:23:55 GMT -5 Peace Of Mind said:

Apr 21, 2013 15:54:18 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I'd rather have a gun- and have my neighbors err on the side of safe.

I'd rather hide out at their house and let those that know how to do it right - do it. 

Those who know how to do what right? Bag and tag you?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 21, 2013 16:17:42 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

Apr 21, 2013 16:05:35 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Are you admitting that 9/11/01 was actually Clinton's fault?

Who made him a citizen less than a year ago? Who was running the FBI when we let the older brother BACK IN after a 6 month visit to a radicalized area? The fact is that the ball was dropped on OBAMA's watch, not Bush. Obama has been president for going on FIVE years.

I don't think the 9/11 attacks were Clinton's fault... but I also don't think they were Bush's fault.  We can discuss that in another thread if you like.

This is just a new usage of the term "let in here" to me.  It would be interesting to see it applied to undocumented workers, but that to is an issue for another thread.

In my experience, I have always thought that I let people into my home when I opened my door to them, not when I added their name to the mortgage.  But you know a lot more about real estate than me, so maybe without any sort of permanent legal status, my houseguests were never really here? 

I used the term quite deliberately.  There's an enormous problem when a person here legally exits the country for six months to attend a radical mosque in Russia, the FBI interviews him and finds no issues.  There's HUGE problem when Russia (or some "mystery country") warns us directly you've got a terrorist living there, we interview the guy, find nothing wrong, and less than a year before he murders 4 and mames hundreds in the name of Islam, we make the a citizen.  It doesn't get any more "letting them in" than that.  This is a massive- and frighteningly willful- intelligence failure by an administration that STILL won't admit we have a problem with radical islamic extremism.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

But here's the thing- I agree that if you are the kind of person that 'freaks out' to the point where you are utterly incapable of using a firearm to defend yourself, then perhaps you shouldn't have one.

Understand however, that there are two rational responses to that post by readers:

one- it's doubtful this shortcoming couldn't be overcome with education and practice. Isn't this why libs want to teach sex ed en utero? I personally think that shooting and firearms safety should be every bit as mandatory as sex ed; and taught about the same time as driver's ed. Part of your problem is a national problem- we are so hysterically anti-gun from the top down, that there are too few people that regard guns as a normal part of everyday life, and a responsibility of a well-rounded citizen.

The second response is that you're probably exaggerating quite a bit. The notion that people cannot or in fact do not defend themselves with firearms in stressful situations is one of the staples of anti-gun rights propaganda. I don't think you're a propagator, but I'm fairly certain you're a victim.

[swamp]

Apr 21, 2013 19:44:03 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Apr 21, 2013 16:17:42 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

I used the term quite deliberately.  There's an enormous problem when a person here legally exits the country for six months to attend a radical mosque in Russia, the FBI interviews him and finds no issues.  There's HUGE problem when Russia (or some "mystery country") warns us directly you've got a terrorist living there, we interview the guy, find nothing wrong, and less than a year before he murders 4 and mames hundreds in the name of Islam, we make the a citizen.  It doesn't get any more "letting them in" than that.  This is a massive- and frighteningly willful- intelligence failure by an administration that STILL won't admit we have a problem with radical islamic extremism

I think you are confusing the brothers. Tamalan the older one was not a citizen, he was the one who traveled to Russia and was interviewed by the FBI. He was a green card holder. The younger brother, Dzok--something, is a citizen.