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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 17:09:26 GMT -5
Wow! A very bold move. I wish you the best in whatever direction you pursue.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Apr 2, 2013 17:37:56 GMT -5
Wowee, zowie. Well, you know I love ya, Dark, and you can always come over to where we are and go in halves on some rentals. Actually, this is probably quite a good opportunity in disguise, if you work hard enough to make it happen. I think things may turn up rainbows if you all put some major sweat equity into getting to where you want to be. Good luck and keep as much back money as you can.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 17:52:37 GMT -5
I'm guessing it will all work out, Dark. Life usually does.
It's a gutsy move, and one that I halfway admire. The halfway part is because I am older (almost 60).
However, you live in California. The culture is probably more accepting of this than Alabama.
Here you would be roadkill on the path to success if you didn't give notice. You know, you could have given it half-heartedly as in "You guys don't really want me to work another two weeks, do you?" But hindsight here is 20/15.
Remember the semi-admiration, by the way.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 2, 2013 17:56:49 GMT -5
Best of Luck DH.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 2, 2013 18:00:24 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't think that adults who throw temper tantrums is "gutsy" and "commendable", etc etc etc
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 2, 2013 18:05:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 18:06:07 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't think that adults who throw temper tantrums is "gutsy" and "commendable", etc etc etc No, but you seem to be the only one who thinks quitting a job is the same as throwing a temper tantrum.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 18:08:20 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't think that adults who throw temper tantrums is "gutsy" and "commendable", etc etc etc I think perhaps its a dream of some peoples to just quit. Most people can't, or won't because of financial obligations. Apparently Dark is independently wealthy. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) Or perhaps he has other things in mind that he wishes to pursue that will be immensely financially rewarding.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 18:09:12 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't think that adults who throw temper tantrums is "gutsy" and "commendable", etc etc etc No, but you seem to be the only one who thinks quitting a job is the same as throwing a temper tantrum. Quitting because you are fed up is similar to a tempter tantrum...they do look the same.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 18:14:07 GMT -5
Sorry Lena, it looks like Apple is with you.
For me, I disagree. Surely you have seen people leave jobs badly - bridge burning, employer smearing, expletive using, take this job and shove it, drop the mic and leave - style departures.
That is 174 degrees different from saying "this is no longer a good fit, today will be my last day." I might concede that the 180 degree opposite would be a formal letter of resignation followed by 2 weeks notice, but an awful lot of employers don't allow you to stick around for 2 weeks. I imagine with Dark's security clearance, once he resigned, he wasn't going to be allowed back.
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Post by souldoubt on Apr 2, 2013 18:17:51 GMT -5
I don't equate being miserable and quitting a job to throwing a temper tantrum but to each their own. Maybe Dark did something similar to the video Archie posted and had to be escorted out but otherwise I think he just reached a breaking point. He flat out said he wasn't happy and his work suffered. I'm not going to fault the guy for calling it quits while others would stick it out and essentially "steal" a paycheck.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 2, 2013 18:18:56 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't think that adults who throw temper tantrums is "gutsy" and "commendable", etc etc etc No, but you seem to be the only one who thinks quitting a job is the same as throwing a temper tantrum. Ummmm, OK, bc the way he quit does seem so mature and professional. I guess I am wrong. Well, I've been wrong before
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 2, 2013 18:20:51 GMT -5
No, but you seem to be the only one who thinks quitting a job is the same as throwing a temper tantrum. Quitting because you are fed up is similar to a tempter tantrum...they do look the same. Quitting without giving the appropriate notice is disrespectful to your employer, but there's nothing inherently petulant about quitting. Whether you blame Dark or his employer depends on how much you trust Dark. He claims his company was poorly managed and never kept him supplied with decent work. His employers (I'm just guessing) would deny that claim. Even in my lifetime, I've seen both cases.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 2, 2013 18:23:48 GMT -5
Sorry Lena, it looks like Apple is with you. For me, I disagree. Surely you have seen people leave jobs badly - bridge burning, employer smearing, expletive using, take this job and shove it, drop the mic and leave - style departures. That is 174 degrees different from saying "this is no longer a good fit, today will be my last day." I might concede that the 180 degree opposite would be a formal letter of resignation followed by 2 weeks notice, but an awful lot of employers don't allow you to stick around for 2 weeks. I imagine with Dark's security clearance, once he resigned, he wasn't going to be allowed back. Yeah, I've seen people do all kinds of stupid stuff. My OPINION is that when you are a grown up - act like it. I guess the way I view tempter tantrums is when you can't control your emotions and act on them not thinking anything through. When kids do it - very few people tolerate it. When adults do it - well, I guess we find all kind of "make you feel good" things to say about it. Is it the end of the world? No. But I just don't get how anyone can think it's a positive thing.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Apr 2, 2013 18:33:32 GMT -5
Reaching a point where you feel that you have *had* it with a situation and must exit it seems to me to be quite different than stomping your feet and screaming until someone gives you a toy.
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Post by Works4me on Apr 2, 2013 18:47:40 GMT -5
I have worked many places where you are terminated when you give 2 weeks notice and that is especially true for high tech and DOD. Philosophy is it is best for everybody to pay the time and just move on. I dated one guy - rocket scientist - who quit by erasing his white board .
Dark - what is SOP there? Is 2 weeks notice generally accepted or do they walk you out?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 2, 2013 18:54:05 GMT -5
Reaching a point where you feel that you have *had* it with a situation and must exit it seems to me to be quite different than stomping your feet and screaming until someone gives you a toy. That's what makes this world a beautiful places - so many different views and opinions. Like I said - to me, it's exactly the same thing - not getting what you want and acting without any kind of control of your emotions. Whether it's "I want my toy NOW" or "I want to leave my job NOW" - what the difference? Well, except my more serious consequences in the latter.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 2, 2013 18:57:25 GMT -5
And just to be clear - it's not the lack of 2 wks notice that I find it childish. It's the way (the way I read OP) DH did - walked in, called the boss, walked out. THAT is to me a tempter tantrum.
If that's not how it happened, then I am wrong and I apologize.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Apr 2, 2013 18:57:47 GMT -5
Well, you'd have to include most decisions about love, money, family, etc. We make many decisions based on emotions. For better or worse.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 2, 2013 19:01:13 GMT -5
Well, you'd have to include most decisions about love, money, family, etc. We make many decisions based on emotions. For better or worse. Well, I don't know. While I married my DH bc I love him, I did put some thought into it. Same with other things.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Apr 2, 2013 19:08:05 GMT -5
Dark said he's been reaching the point of no return for months or years. That's thought, it's just not as organized as we'd like. He just decided today was the time to pull the trigger on it. If a guy suddenly realizes upon waking up one morning that he simply must propose to his gal right now, that's also a quick emotional decision. But it's hardly a tantrum.
FWIW, I wouldn't have done the same, but only because I'm not in the kind of financial shape that I'd need to be do it. But I have decided to quit a job very quickly, because when I reached that point, I wanted to be done with it NOW and moving forward.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 2, 2013 19:15:51 GMT -5
Just for the record: If Dark goes postal tomorrow and shoots up his workplace, remember that I was the guy who sounded the warning that he was unstable and needed to be committed. But of course all of you thought I was being paranoid. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/angry.png)
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 2, 2013 19:18:40 GMT -5
I am not saying that he shouldn't have quit his job. I am not even saying that he HAD to give 2 wks notice. All I am saying is that the way he did it (the way I read OP) is EXACTLY the defintion of tempter tantrum -
That's one definition that I found:
Are you really going to compare marriage proposal to that?
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Post by souldoubt on Apr 2, 2013 19:23:44 GMT -5
In some cases yes. I could show you some real life instances of that amongst people I know who ended up getting married because of exactly those reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 19:26:04 GMT -5
I am not saying that he shouldn't have quit his job. I am not even saying that he HAD to give 2 wks notice. All I am saying is that the way he did it (the way I read OP) is EXACTLY the defintion of tempter tantrum - That's one definition that I found: Are you really going to compare marriage proposal to that? I guess every job I quit was a result of a temper tantrum. I never thought that quitting a job was pleasant and I quit due to unmet needs or desires.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2013 19:27:02 GMT -5
No, but you seem to be the only one who thinks quitting a job is the same as throwing a temper tantrum. Ummmm, OK, bc the way he quit does seem so mature and professional. I guess I am wrong. Well, I've been wrong before I think it's more likely you're right for you and wrong for dark, Lena.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2013 19:31:29 GMT -5
I retired without notice. My mother woke up blind. I imagine the cause was a stroke, but we'll never know. I didn't like my boss at the hospital, and I didn't like the path I'd seen the hospital administration adopting. I suppose I could have gotten someone to come in and be with mother while I worked out a notice, but she would have been miserable with a stranger in the house. I couldn't disrupt my kids' life, either. It wouldn't have been right. I was over 70. I simply called my boss and told him I wouldn't be back. Was he happy about it? Probably not. Was it the right thing to do? For my life, and my mother, and my family and I, yes. Yes, it was.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 2, 2013 20:13:41 GMT -5
Ummmm, OK, bc the way he quit does seem so mature and professional. I guess I am wrong. Well, I've been wrong before I think it's more likely you're right for you and wrong for dark, Lena. I am not sure what you mean, but yes, it would be wrong for ME and "I" think anyone else to walk out the way he did. Childish and unprofessional. He didn't have any other circumstances except he just "didn't feel like it" anymore. I would love to live a life where I could just stop doing things if I was "fed up" and "had enough". I guess Dark didn't do anything wrong and I must be just jealous ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rolleyes2.gif) Anywhoooo, I get bored going in circles, so I hope Dark finds whatever he is looking for and his family survives this without too many problems.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 2, 2013 20:16:56 GMT -5
What I mean, Lena, is this: While you know what's right for you, you do not know what's right for others. You aren't the one to make those decisions, any more than you'd want others making your decisions for you. You don't know what's in another person's heart and mind, and have no place making pronouncements as to what they ought to do. Run your own life and run it well. That's the best any of us can do. However, I think it's important to remember that we don't run other peoples' lives and we don't always know what the best decision might be for those people.
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