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Post by marjar on Feb 8, 2011 19:47:59 GMT -5
WASHINGTON — Whites continued to decline as a share of the American population in 2009, and they now represent less than half of all 3-year-olds, according to a Brookings Institution analysis of census data released Monday. The country’s young population is more diverse than ever, with whites now in the minority in nursery schools, preschools and kindergartens in eight states — Arizona, California, Florida, Hawaii, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas — and the District of Columbia, according to William H. Frey, a demographer at Brookings. That was up from six states in 2000. “We are on our way to having a majority of minority students in U.S. schools,” Mr. Frey said. Nationally, whites accounted for 58.8 percent of all school enrollment in 2009, Mr. Frey said, citing the new data, which measured enrollment from preschool to graduate school as of October 2009. That was down from 64.6 percent in 2000, a decline that came with falling birthrates as the white population aged. Population growth has come instead from Hispanics, blacks and Asians, whose children represent ever larger shares of the school population. Twenty-three percent of children in kindergarten were Hispanic in 2009, up from 18 percent in 2000 and 10 percent in 1989. Hispanics now account for nearly a fifth of all enrollment from nursery school through college, Mr. Frey said. The United States has been experiencing the biggest surge of immigrants since the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when European immigrants considerably expanded the population. And while immigrants have long taken to cities, more recently they have spread throughout the nation, creating diverse student populations in places that had been overwhelmingly white. The states whose white children dipped to below 50 percent of nursery school and kindergarten enrollment most recently were Arizona, Florida and Nevada, Mr. Frey said. Next in line are Georgia, Louisiana and Maryland, he said. The gap between the country’s diverse young population and its older white one is raising difficult issues for policy makers, who are trying to balance the growing costs associated with the aging white population with the need for financing to educate an increasingly diverse youth. Education experts who have studied the issue say the United States is lagging behind in educating minority students. The past big wave of immigrants took more than a generation to integrate into the economy through education, they say, a delay the country can ill afford in today’s age of global competitiveness. “These students will be an important source of our labor-force growth as baby boomers begin retiring,” Mr. Frey said. www.nytimes.com/2011/02/08/us/08census.html?ref=us
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 8, 2011 20:01:42 GMT -5
Why is it always about race for the liberals? And by the way, now that I'm a minority, I'm tired of being held down by the man!
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 8, 2011 20:07:18 GMT -5
Yay diversity!
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Post by steff on Feb 8, 2011 20:29:35 GMT -5
The white breeders need to get on the ball...or well, you know.... lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 21:10:17 GMT -5
I told you people a long time ago that in a couple of generations there would be no white people left in AZ. Most people in Tucson are brown, which means most white girls are with brown boys, and having white/ brown kids. I have 3 of those babies in my family, from 3 different kids of mine. So far--(I have one single child left)-- the blond hair and green/blue eyes is gone from the long, long line of blond/blue/green in my family. I have 3 beautiful brown eyed, brown haired, pale skinned granddaughters with a Latino parent. Kind of sad, to me. I hope the entire USA does not turn brown and brown. That would be boring, and then where will be the diversity. Whatever-- I love my grandbabies, and my in-law kids, even if they don't have the coloring of generations past. Not sure what will go on the school forms about race, and that sort of stuff. What ARE my grandchildren? I will strongly urge my children to identify their children on paperwork as-- in CAPS- AMERICAN.
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 8, 2011 23:44:46 GMT -5
That's how I identified my whole family on our census form and I received a visit from census workers. They insisted I provide an ethnicity for my family members, so I said "OK, we're all black". He looked at me kind of funny, and asked if that was really my answer. I said it was, and he dutifully marked down "Black/African" on his form for all four members of my family. So now there are four more African-Americans in my county!
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Post by marjar on Feb 8, 2011 23:56:27 GMT -5
That's how I identified my whole family on our census form and I received a visit from census workers. They insisted I provide an ethnicity for my family members, so I said "OK, we're all black". He looked at me kind of funny, and asked if that was really my answer. I said it was, and he dutifully marked down "Black/African" on his form for all four members of my family. So now there are four more African-Americans in my county! LOL!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 0:21:27 GMT -5
We wondered about the census, also. We ended up putting white, caucasian, whatever it is, for the babies. What's with the labels?? What exactly IS a child that is half Mexican American and half Heinz 57 white American?? And there were 2 different identifying questions, ethnicity and something else... No one came knocking on our door, so I guess we did okay. I have enough Cherokee blood to claim Indian, just barely. I'm really proud of that part of my family history. Maybe next year. STOOPID!!!!!!!!!! Don't they realize we are all mixed up?? Heinz 57 was not a choice. Yeah, my oldest kids, my boys, good mix of color in the schools here then, low on black and Asian here, though. BUT-- by the time both of my daughters graduated, white faces at graduation were, without a doubt, in the minority. I live in Tucson, Arimexico now, and my granddaughters are 4th generation LEGAL Mexican American on one side and whatever white people are on the other. God BLESS America!!!
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 9, 2011 8:01:42 GMT -5
So the governments master plan seems to be working. Import all the poverty they can and water down the race that has created everything. To what end? Still haven't figured that one out but I will in time.
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 9, 2011 9:50:25 GMT -5
Did you seriously just say "water down the race that created everything"? I take it from that statement that you've never read a history book. Also that you're probably a white supremacist. Thanks for making it abundantly clear that your opinions should be dismissed as rants.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 9, 2011 9:55:28 GMT -5
So the governments master plan seems to be working. Import all the poverty they can and water down the race that has created everything. To what end? Still haven't figured that one out but I will in time.
That is pretty easy to figure out. By importing poverty at an alarming rate(ie: Los Angeles County), and mandating free health care, public education, food stamps, etc., an permanent unclass is created, maintained and grown. This develops a solid political constituency.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 9, 2011 9:59:16 GMT -5
Did you seriously just say "water down the race that created everything"? I take it from that statement that you've never read a history book. Also that you're probably a white supremacist. Thanks for making it abundantly clear that your opinions should be dismissed as rants.
The middle class IS breeding itself out of existance. Thusly the tax base is being lost.
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 9, 2011 10:01:46 GMT -5
Oh.. is the middle class classified as a race now?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 9, 2011 10:05:11 GMT -5
Oh.. is the middle class classified as a race now?
The US is importing populations from poverty stricken countries such as Mexico and Central America. This depresses wages, and raises taxes on the middle class in those regions whose political leanings favor the importation of poverty. The middle class flees, thus the tax base gets depleted.
PS: nothing in my two posts suggests or mentions race.
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 9, 2011 10:13:26 GMT -5
By quoting burns and my response you aligned your response with a racial bias.
That said, I'm wondering if you draw a distinction between those places that "import" poverty and those that just promote it? Like say most of the south.
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Post by bean29 on Feb 9, 2011 14:55:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 15:08:25 GMT -5
ExCUSE ME??? Do NOT call me a racist! My in law kids are 3rd generation and call themselves Americans. NOW-- at weddings, etc, the old ones are there speaking Spanish and are very old school Mexico. The young ones are as American as I am, and my mother can claim Daughter of the American Revolution status-- that is how long we have been Americans. Maybe I misread you, maybe you misread me, but I do not appreciate being called a racist. And there is nothing RACIST in missing the genetic blond/blue/green that has been in my family as far back as it goes. I deal in reality. I will say again-- I think it would be a crying shame if the entire USA ended up brown/brown and no one was left with blond, blue, green, red hair, pale, freckles, etc. We would look generic. RACIST?? Not to me-- juist a reply to the OP of this thread, which is reality in Tucson where I live.
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Post by Angel! on Feb 9, 2011 15:15:11 GMT -5
Krickett - sorry, but it did come off as a little wierd - not sure if racist is the right word, but it appeared as though you said you were sad that all of your grandchildren are not pure-bred white.
I really hope my parents don't feel sad that their only grandchildren are mixed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 15:46:22 GMT -5
You people are weird, IMO. What is wrong with saying I miss my genetic imprint, while saying, at the same time, that I love and adore my grandchildren?? Nothing! Hey-- maybe my youngest daughter will marry and have babies with a guy that is blonde and blue. Is that, also, a racist thing to say?? **NOTE-- I was permabanned from the old P&M boards for remarks like this. I hope this board is more based in reality, and does not see racists behind every tree (post).**
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Post by Angel! on Feb 9, 2011 15:48:38 GMT -5
I see it as saying "my grandchildren would be better if they were white". You wished you didn't have mixed blood in your family & yes that is a little racist. Personally, I would disown my parents if they said anything in this nature regarding my children.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 16:07:37 GMT -5
My grandchildren could NEVER be better-- they are perfect in my eyes. I am Cherokee and Irish, lots of other stuff, also. My ex husband is German and Polish, mainly. Of course-- both of us have the blood of many in us-- because we are AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now-- we also have the blood of Mexico in us, through marriage. We are all perfect, IMO, and you, my friend, are the one that is less than accepting of ALL Americans. I am not a liberal, so I am not bound by the concept of political correctness. Knock yourself out. I am babysitting my granddaughters now. GEEZ-- these poor little girls!! Should I tell them that they are Cherokee, Irish, German, Polish, Mexican, Hawaiian, (forgot that.. what is that?)... Hell no-- they are toddlers-- AMERICAN babies!!!! I will tell them-- do not smear banana fingers on the walls.
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Post by bean29 on Feb 9, 2011 16:30:58 GMT -5
Krickett,
Your statement about wanting blond hair/blue eyed grandbabies do sound really racist. I am warning you that if you talked like this around my DH he would call you a racist. If it was my parents it would put a strain on our relationship. I do think even my kids would take your talk about wanting the grandchildren to have different colored eyes as mighty strange if nothing else.
If it is not considered racist it could be very hurtful to your existing grandchildren. They may feel that Grandma loves another grandchild more becasue they look different (blond hair, blue eyes) They can get colored contacts but short of the extremes MJ went to there is not much they can do about their skin color.
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Post by Angel! on Feb 9, 2011 17:01:44 GMT -5
And what would you be basing that statement on exactly?What have I said that gives any impression that I don't accept all americans?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 17:02:32 GMT -5
As a conservative-- I am used to being called a racist-- and a lot of other things, too. I will not insult you by calling YOU what YOU call ME! I'm out of here-- you people can talk about the racist right now while I tend to my beloved AMERICAN granddaughters.
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Post by steff on Feb 9, 2011 17:09:33 GMT -5
My sis in laws family is from Ecuador, so she's one of those "brown" folks as described by someone else here. My brother would be horrified, offended, and most likely beyond livid if my mom ever said that she wished their children were more "white" looking. No one in my family would ever compare my grey eyed/brown haired/so white he glows in the dark son against my brother's "brown" children. I can't even imagine looking at my child or grandchild and classifying them by color, "brown" or "white". It just boggles the mind and turns the stomach.
and for the record, my brother & his wife don't have any children and have chosen not to have any, but if they did, there would never ever ever be the comparison between my "white" son and their "brown" children.
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Post by Angel! on Feb 9, 2011 17:09:48 GMT -5
If you are getting called a racist so often that you are used to it, then maybe you should consider why you come across as racist.
Personally, it isn't a word that I throw around often because I consider it a great insult to call someone a racist. I would even hesitate to call you racist. But I will say that your statements come across as racist & maybe you should reconsider how you speak about certain things or learn to rephrase them in a way that doesn't sound like you are sad that your grandchildren aren't as white as you.
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 9, 2011 17:18:55 GMT -5
You shouldn't. Overuse of the term by liberals and other political correctness fascists have rendered the word moot. As a conservative, if a liberal calls me a racist, I consider it an indication that I am winning the debate...either that or an aknowledgement that I disagree with Barack Obama's policies...
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Post by Angel! on Feb 9, 2011 17:32:05 GMT -5
You shouldn't. Overuse of the term by liberals and other political correctness fascists have rendered the word moot. As a conservative, if a liberal calls me a racist, I consider it an indication that I am winning the debate...either that or an aknowledgement that I disagree with Barack Obama's policies... I find it kind of sad that you feel that way, although I do feel the word is overused in some settings. Disagreeing with Obama or his policies or not choosing to vote for him does not make a person a racist & it bothers me that some people use this as the criteria for accusing someone of racism. On the other hand, essentially Krickett said that he wished his grandkids were more white (and following that logic, that his kids chose spouses that were more white) & I can't help but see a racist attitude in a statement like that. I would also repeat what I said to Kricket - if you are getting called a racist often, then I would seriously look at what you are doing that comes across as racist. Maybe they are the type of people that just throw that word around at anyone conservative, but maybe you are doing something else that makes you appear racist. Some people use that word lightly, but not everyone.
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 9, 2011 17:54:05 GMT -5
It is sad. The people who whip out the race card every time someone disagrees with them (and sorry to say, it is mostly the left that pulls this one) are doing huge disservice and disrespect to actual, legitimate victims of racism. When these Hollywood idiots go on TV and say that everyone who disagrees with Obama does so because they are racists/rednecks, those people are damaging the credibility of future incidents of real racism. Of course they don't realize that, because they're idiots, but it's true...
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Post by Angel! on Feb 9, 2011 18:06:00 GMT -5
Well, of course it is mostly the left using this. Accusing someone of being a racist because they voted for a different white guy instead of Bush or because they dislike Bush's policies while approving the policies of other white past presidents doesn't really work.
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