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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2011 9:36:18 GMT -5
If you are getting called a racist so often that you are used to it, then maybe you should consider why you come across as racist. On the old boards, we (conservatives) were labeled racist for simply disagreeing with the POTUS. The race card has gone "chicken little". It's so overused, nobody really cares any more.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2011 9:54:46 GMT -5
As a white 40 year old male, I really don't care what percentage of the population is "my color". I don't think most people do. I'll be concerned when 40% of the population describes themselves as liberal, and 20% describes themselves as conservative. As it stands the numbers are the opposite, and THAT is the way I like America. Red and yellow, black and white, as long as we're all (mostly) conservative in His sight, then I'm happy.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 10, 2011 10:05:00 GMT -5
by who, why and when did diversity = good, homogeneity = bad become the law of the land? didn't the europeans bring diversity to the homogeneous native Americans?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2011 10:35:14 GMT -5
by who, why and when did diversity = good, homogeneity = bad become the law of the land? didn't the europeans bring diversity to the homogeneous native Americans? In the liberal mindset, diversity = dilution. The presumption is that whites are majority conservative, and minorities are uniformly liberal- you might say homogeneous. If we (liberals) can just get enough non-whites in America, we'll finally be a liberal / socialist / utopian country / community. It's NEVER going to happen, but that's the plan.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 10, 2011 10:35:35 GMT -5
It wasn't the intent. The intent was to give them small pox, kill them off and take everything they had. We didn't believe in diversity then either.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 10, 2011 10:47:13 GMT -5
...boy, leave the boards alone for awhile, and come back to this... ...I will join krickitt, among others, in saying that if I want my offspring to look like me, this does NOT make me racist... <<< goes to again watch the diner scene in Giant >>>
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2011 10:47:42 GMT -5
It wasn't the intent. The intent was to give them small pox, kill them off and take everything they had. We didn't believe in diversity then either. Well, and after that didn't work- liberals figured minorities would just abort themselves out of existence. Oh, yes. The founder of planned parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was an adherent to the NAZI "science" of "Eugenics". The truth is that Planned Parenthood was a front group for a plan that was nothing short of black genocide. According to the website, www.blackgenocide.org - ostensibly operated by an African-American...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2011 10:49:27 GMT -5
And then there's the liberal Lyndon Johnson (LBJ) who said in signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (against his party and with the help of a Republican coalition), "I'll have them [n words] voting Democrat for 200 years"
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2011 10:50:12 GMT -5
The bottom line is that for liberals, minorities are a means to an end- and end that doesn't involve minorities. They are allies of convenience-- just like radical muslims are now.
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Post by diverdown34 on Feb 10, 2011 10:52:19 GMT -5
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Post by workpublic on Feb 10, 2011 10:57:41 GMT -5
It wasn't the intent. The intent was to give them small pox, kill them off and take everything they had. We didn't believe in diversity then either.
leave out the "kill them off"(well we don't know the end game yet) and it's sounds like the illegals invasion of today.
are you agreeing with me that diversity isn't always great? and could be dangerous to the US, if it's too much at once?
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 10, 2011 11:01:13 GMT -5
I've recently spent a great deal of time with two (unrelated) liberal-elitist that made my distaste for liberals grow quite a bit. Neither of them will participate in public school or live in a mixed area. They want their kids to go to the elite schools, etc. When asked why, as liberals, they don't want to mix among the people their answer is clear and unashamed - The people need us to get a better education so we can lead them. It stinks rotten of "Some animals are more equal than others." (Or is it "Some pigs are more equal than others"? I always forget.)
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Post by workpublic on Feb 10, 2011 11:08:35 GMT -5
we already have a diverse culture, one of the most diverse. it just stands now the majority of the diversity is white. will America be better off when the majority of the diversity is non white? that's the question.
you want to talk about non diverse cultures? just look at the countries that the diverse in America left to come here. homogeneous to a fault. just that their homogeneous cultures aren't as successful as our white majority diverse culture. if that truth is racist, then so be it. I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 11:10:44 GMT -5
thyme-- you nailed it. It's pretty scary, isn't it?
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 10, 2011 11:13:59 GMT -5
Yes krickitt - I prefer racists. I would really prefer someone who says "Black people scare me, so I'm not going to our local public school." I also prefer unabashed capitalists who say "I can afford the best, and I want my kids to have the best, so they can go on to be the best. Screw everyone else - they are on their own." I can handle that - I understand that. But really, wanting to lord over poor people? Creepy.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 10, 2011 11:26:07 GMT -5
the US is one of, if not the most diverse countries on earth.
imho the we aren't diverse enough school of thought is a cloak for anti white racism.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2011 11:27:46 GMT -5
Yes krickitt - I prefer racists. I would really prefer someone who says "Black people scare me, so I'm not going to our local public school." I also prefer unabashed capitalists who say "I can afford the best, and I want my kids to have the best, so they can go on to be the best. Screw everyone else - they are on their own." I can handle that - I understand that. But really, wanting to lord over poor people? Creepy. None of this describes my attitude. I don't want my kid going to a government run school because it's clear from the results that government isn't getting the job done- in spite of spending more per pupil than at any time in our history, and quite a bit more per pupil in most districts than a quality private school that outperforms them. Further, if there's anything I fear from government run schools, it's not minorities-- it's government indoctrination, and training in the "social gospel", neo-pagan earth worship, and the doctrines of anti-capitalism, and climate apocalypse at the hands of mankind, among other scary myths. Far from "I got mine, screw you" my attitude is that the individual should have direct control over where their education dollars go, and should have school choice-- NO STRINGS ATTACHED-- to send their children to the school-- government, or private-- of their choice. Most minorities agree with me, but just as in the 1960's, liberal Democrats are standing in the school house doors stopping the poor and minorities from gettng a quality education.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 10, 2011 11:31:27 GMT -5
That is great! I can understand and respect your position. If you want what is best for your kid, great - just say that. But to believe it is so you can make a superior "ruling" class to take care of the underlings? I guess it is true that is what our country always has been and always will be - but at least we put on the show that if you want to move from one side of the equation to the other, you are free to do so, and we will help as much as we can. That isn't the message I got from these two people. I hope they are not a great representation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 11:32:06 GMT -5
thyme-- that is exactly why I hate the whole PC thing. I would prefer to know exactly what people think, right out in the open. I try to avoid being PC, without getting in trouble on the boards. Hard to do, because lots of people think I do not THINK right, just because I do not think like them. Like this thread-- nowhere did I say I am unhappy with having half Mexican grandbabies, because I am not. BUT those words were attributed to me any way. I say what I think and feel, and manage to offend the hell out of some people. That's fine, but I don't like having false words put in my mouth. I have liberal views, and conservative views, and I vote what is priority to me, which puts me on the conservative side, which makes people call me names like racist and hypocrite. Whatever. Can't have EVERYTHING we want, have to prioritize. All being PC does is put false faces on people. I'm from Texas, and I don't roll that way. Never have.
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Post by Angel! on Feb 10, 2011 11:36:27 GMT -5
Krickitt, is not a racist. She happens to believe in the exact same thing that progressives believe in, which is DIVERSITY. Why should diversity not include white people as well as black, Hispanic, Asian, etc... She is not racist. I should know. I am a Latina (Salvadorian descent) krickitt has never been anything but kind, and friendly to me. She has a Mexican grandbaby that she ADORES. She just has a non "PC" way of expressing herself, which I think leads others to interpret her words as being bigoted. As far as being racist against Latinos, I truly believe she is not. Perhaps I misinterpreted Krickett's statement & if I did, then I apologize. I probably took it more personally because my children are mixed race & I can imagine how I would feel if my parents said they were sad none of their grandbabies were white like them. It comes across as offensive & as though they would prefer I had married & had babies with someone white & my kids are inferior because of their heritage. I think it is ridiculous this thread has turned into liberals like diversity for bad reasons. Maybe some liberals are a little crazy, but personally I think all people are equal & should be treated as such. I don't have a problem with babies who have 2 white parents or 2 black parents, etc. I don't think they are better or worse than babies that have parents with 2 different ethnicities. What I think is wonderful is that in todays society it is acceptable for people to marry & have babies with anyone they please & race doesn't matter. I think society is slowly going to become more homogenous & I don't know if that is good or bad, but I don't think it can be prevented. Evolutionarily speaking, mutations & recessive genes in large groups don't usually last or spread. It is in smaller groups that are cut off from the main group that have these types of mutations occur & with the globablization of society it just isn't going to happen. You said "I have 3 beautiful brown eyed, brown haired, pale skinned granddaughters with a Latino parent. Kind of sad, to me." I don't know how else to take the "kind of sad" remark other than you wish they weren't half latino. Maybe that isn't how you meant it, but that is how it came across to me & at least a few other posters.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2011 11:45:42 GMT -5
I didn't take it as her being unhappy about their heritage. I took it as she was "kind of sad" about their physical appearance.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 10, 2011 11:49:19 GMT -5
My Mom was looking at pictures of all her grandkids and said "How come none of these babies look like me." We are all white (super-white!) I think she was talking about the shape of the face, the color of the eyes and hair, etc. Although, my neice does look like her - I don't know why my Mom doesn't see it.
(Here is an odd tidbit. My Mom has brown eyes and all three of us have blue eyes, and all the grandkids have blue eyes. We tease my Mom that she is so old fashioned that even her (dominant) genes were subject to her husband.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 11:52:29 GMT -5
Angel-- because I miss the genetic imprint my family has had for as far back as it goes does not mean I think any less of my brown eyed granddaughters or my in-law kids. It means exactly what I said. I miss seeing the blue/green eyed babies. That is all. There is no hidden meaning in there. Actually I admire the culture of Mexican people and am glad my kids married Mexican Americans. What baffles ME is the need people have to attach identifying LABELS on AMERICANS. I don't understand that. My favorite part of myself is the Cherokee, which I got from my mother's mother, who was 100% Cherokee, but I don't call myself any identifying label to claim that part of myself. I just think we are all Americans and don't know why we have to differentiate one from another. But that is just my thought, and what anyone else thinks is up to them. I have enough trouble being true to my own values, and no desire to impose them on anyone else. As Americans we have that freedom, and I hope we never lose it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2011 11:55:23 GMT -5
That is great! I can understand and respect your position. If you want what is best for your kid, great - just say that. But to believe it is so you can make a superior "ruling" class to take care of the underlings? I guess it is true that is what our country always has been and always will be - but at least we put on the show that if you want to move from one side of the equation to the other, you are free to do so, and we will help as much as we can. That isn't the message I got from these two people. I hope they are not a great representation. That's because the people you were talking to were LIBERALS.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2011 11:58:42 GMT -5
Angel-- because I miss the genetic imprint my family has had for as far back as it goes does not mean I think any less of my brown eyed granddaughters or my in-law kids. It means exactly what I said. I miss seeing the blue/green eyed babies. That is all. There is no hidden meaning in there. Actually I admire the culture of Mexican people and am glad my kids married Mexican Americans. What baffles ME is the need people have to attach identifying LABELS on AMERICANS. I don't understand that. My favorite part of myself is the Cherokee, which I got from my mother's mother, who was 100% Cherokee, but I don't call myself any identifying label to claim that part of myself. I just think we are all Americans and don't know why we have to differentiate one from another. But that is just my thought, and what anyone else thinks is up to them. I have enough trouble being true to my own values, and no desire to impose them on anyone else. As Americans we have that freedom, and I hope we never lose it. FEELINGS are subjective. They are what they are. Why do we have to constantly have to defend the way we feel? My wife has beautiful emerald green eyes, my son's are hazel, my daughter's are bright blue. If they grow up and have grandkids, I can certainly see myself wishing they looked more like MY kids than the someone else's kids they married. Ain't nothin' abnormal, hateful, or racist about it-- just selfish. And aren't we all to some degree?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 12:00:41 GMT -5
When I was a kid we had a black maid that had beautiful green eyes.
On the lighter side-- we joke about the blue eyes in our family. My (Mexican) son-in-law was joking with my youngest daughter a few weeks ago about the fact that her newest boyfriend has blue eyse. HE said maybe she will have a blue eyed child, and that it is up to her now. To which she snootily said, no way, she wants to marry a black guy. Seriously, it may be hard for some people to understand, but my family does not care about race.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 10, 2011 12:03:10 GMT -5
I have bright blue eyes. My whole life people have commented on my eyes and how beautiful they are (or in some cases, they just said "Wow - your eyes are so blue." Maybe that wasn't a compliment. LOL) I've enjoyed having them because they have made me feel special at times. Neither of my kids have bright blue eyes - they are light, but more greeny-hazel, I guess. I was actually looking at my daughter a few weeks ago thinking she would have really enjoyed having eyes as blue as mine.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 12:08:48 GMT -5
And then there's the liberal Lyndon Johnson (LBJ) who said in signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (against his party and with the help of a Republican coalition), "I'll have them [n words] voting Democrat for 200 years" Poor Lyndon was knocked about a lot, but on this one, one of his best friends , Southern Senator, told him , when informed he was going ahead with the civil rights bill, he would lose the South and the Presidency, Lyndon told his top adviser, that he , the Senator, eas right and wrong. He wouldn't lose the presidency, he didn't, but the South would be lost to the Democrats , it was. He was a brave man on decisions..and that one was one of the best ever done, by a President.
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Post by Angel! on Feb 10, 2011 12:11:23 GMT -5
I think someday we won't differentiate based on the color of our skin. It isn't like we answer survey questions regarding the color of our hair or our eyes. I can understand why it is tracked today given that minorities still face greater issues with poverty, but I really think someday it won't matter any more than the color of your eyes. It will be a way to describe people & come up when you discuss your heritage, but won't matter in how people think of you & when you fill out surveys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 12:17:08 GMT -5
That's true, angel, for the future. For NOW I'm still wondering what BOX some gov't agency would put my little grandbabies in. They are white in skin color, not brown. But they are half Mexican. So-- what are they?? LOL-- isn't it silly?
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