On this day in history....

[Value Buy]

In the year, 1907, President Theodore Roosevelt signed an immigration act which excluded Iidiots, Imbeciles, feebleminded persons, epilectics, insane persons, from being admitted to the United states. 
Too bad he did not include illegals across the Mexican border, and I assume the act has been over-ruled, but wouldn't it have been nice if it had included, "Elected members of Congress"?

[djAdvocate]

well, at least you didn't pretend as if they were the same thing.  kudo for that. 

[chiver78]

why just Mexicans? someone cut you off in traffic today?

[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2013 20:59:43 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

why just Mexicans? someone cut you off in traffic today?

a Mexican broke his dolly.

[Value Buy]

Feb 21, 2013 20:59:43 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

why just Mexicans? someone cut you off in traffic today?

You are correct. It should have stated illegals from South and Central America, but I believe Mexico is considerd part of North America.

[chiver78]

Feb 21, 2013 21:06:55 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 21, 2013 20:59:43 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

why just Mexicans? someone cut you off in traffic today?

You are correct. It should have stated illegals from South and Central America, but I believe Mexico is considerd part of North America.

I just figured I'd make as inaccurate a statement as you did. there are plenty of illegals coming from all over the globe, in myriad other ways than just driving or walking across the US/Mexican border. I'd have highlighted the ridiculously large illegal Brazilian population in my own area, except I feel the need to point out in response to you here that there's a ridiculously large illegal Chinese population in Southern CA as well. oh, and the myriad Arabic students over-staying their college Visas. should I continue?

illegal aliens don't have a singular color or ethnicity, and I'm going to call you out on it if you imply it again. just saying....

[djAdvocate]

if memory serves, i think it is Nicaragua that has the lion's share of illegal immigrants.....but i might be mistaken.

[Value Buy]

I just lost a tremendous post to the inner space of the internet......
So here goes again.

Just to clarify, I have no problem Mexico being added to the Union, and becoming the 51st state, or in Obama's world, the 58th state.
I think Mexico would be an excellent addition to our country, and would benefit Mexican and American citizenry alike.
We can call it....... "Manifest Destiny"...... if you like.
I would much prefer Mexico becoming part of our country, than say, Puerto Rico which is a territory of the USA.
This would slow illegal immigration to a manageable number, and open Mexico to vast economic opportunities of housing America's retirees looking for a warm climate.
Commercial and industrial development would follow, thus propelling former Mexican citizens into a living wage economy.

[cereb]

Feb 21, 2013 20:56:10 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

In the year, 1907, President Theodore Roosevelt signed an immigration act which excluded Iidiots, Imbeciles, feebleminded persons, epilectics, insane persons, from being admitted to the United states. 
Too bad he did not include illegals across the Mexican border, and I assume the act has been over-ruled, but wouldn't it have been nice if it had included, "Elected members of Congress"?

Wow.

[Value Buy]

dj, we do not have a lot of Nicaraugans running around our neck of the woods.
Mexicans......... yes

And isn't it amazing when you visit Mexico, even off the beaten paths, you meet Mexicans who can communicate enough in English to get along in conversation, but here, it is "no Habla English".

[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2013 21:25:49 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

dj, we do not have a lot of Nicaraugans running around our neck of the woods.
Mexicans......... yes

And isn't it amazing when you visit Mexico, even off the beaten paths, you meet Mexicans who can communicate enough in English to get along in conversation, but here, it is "no Habla English".

"no habla English" is 2/3 English.

[Value Buy]

dj, what is "English" in Spanish?
And isn't "no" no in Spanish?

[chiver78]

Feb 21, 2013 21:28:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 21, 2013 21:25:49 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

dj, we do not have a lot of Nicaraugans running around our neck of the woods.
Mexicans......... yes

And isn't it amazing when you visit Mexico, even off the beaten paths, you meet Mexicans who can communicate enough in English to get along in conversation, but here, it is "no Habla English".

"no habla English" is 2/3 English.

and also 2/3 Spanish, if you really want to split hairs.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2013 21:36:39 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Feb 21, 2013 21:28:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

"no habla English" is 2/3 English.

and also 2/3 Spanish, if you really want to split hairs.

true.  maybe i should have said half? 

[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2013 21:31:19 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

dj, what is "English" in Spanish?
And isn't "no" no in Spanish?

Engleis, i believe.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 21, 2013 21:25:49 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

dj, we do not have a lot of Nicaraugans running around our neck of the woods.
Mexicans......... yes

And isn't it amazing when you visit Mexico, even off the beaten paths, you meet Mexicans who can communicate enough in English to get along in conversation, but here, it is "no Habla English".

Well VB-when you only visit the heavily visited tourist spots in Mexico, of course the natives are going to peak passable English. After you VB visit all the rural areas of the country, get back to us on their English proficiency you seem to think all Mexicans possess.

[Value Buy]

Feb 21, 2013 21:38:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 21, 2013 21:31:19 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

dj, what is "English" in Spanish?
And isn't "no" no in Spanish?

Engleis, i believe.

Ok, you are correct.
I mispoke (or wrote) when I said English.
They say "Engleis", so they are not speaking any English
I should be a better interpreter! 

[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2013 21:41:09 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 21, 2013 21:38:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Engleis, i believe.

Ok, you are correct.
I mispoke (or wrote) when I said English.
They say "Engleis", so they are not speaking any English
I should be a better interpreter! 

ok.  you made me smile. 

[chiver78]

Feb 21, 2013 21:22:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I just lost a tremendous post to the inner space of the internet......
So here goes again.

Just to clarify, I have no problem Mexico being added to the Union, and becoming the 51st state, or in Obama's world, the 58th state.
I think Mexico would be an excellent addition to our country, and would benefit Mexican and American citizenry alike.
We can call it....... "Manifest Destiny"...... if you like.
I would much prefer Mexico becoming part of our country, than say, Puerto Rico which is a territory of the USA.
This would slow illegal immigration to a manageable number, and open Mexico to vast economic opportunities of housing America's retirees looking for a warm climate.
Commercial and industrial development would follow, thus propelling former Mexican citizens into a living wage economy.

I'm going to ignore a fair amount of what you've got posted here, because it's really quite offensive. that said, I'm not so sure that Mexico even wants to be part of our country. I'm just as sure that Canada doesn't really want to be part of our country either, that idea's been bandied around by quite a few "concerned" people in recent years too.

that said, I notice that you've responded to my comment about your inaccurate statement about Mexican illegals in particular, and completely ignored any reference to other examples I gave of large illegal populations within the US. would you like to further "clarify" your opinion on illegal aliens in general, so we know what you actually feel? or would you rather specify certain subsections of illegal aliens, so that we can all distract ourselves with the argument about whether you are racist/elitist/anti-Semitic/pick-your-bigot?

[Tennesseer]

I say let VB hang himself.

[Value Buy]

Feb 21, 2013 21:39:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 21, 2013 21:25:49 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

dj, we do not have a lot of Nicaraugans running around our neck of the woods.
Mexicans......... yes

And isn't it amazing when you visit Mexico, even off the beaten paths, you meet Mexicans who can communicate enough in English to get along in conversation, but here, it is "no Habla English".

Well VB-when you only visit the heavily visited tourist spots in Mexico, of course the natives are going to peak passable English. After you VB visit all the rural areas of the country, get back to us on their English proficiency you seem to think all Mexicans possess.

I have strayed off the beaten tourist spots in Mexico a couple of times, and find the native Indians are able to communicate some with me. Please do not give me grief over using "Native Indians", as that is what they are and darn proud of it too.
Granted maybe they have family members working the tourist spots, so they pick some of it up from family.
Believe me, I did get off the beaten paths when vacationing in other countries when I was younger.
I picked this up in Vietnam when stationed there. On off days , I felt like an accidental tourist going to out of the way areas in the Saigon area, with no sidearm with me, just an old Kodak camera.
Of course I was not in the bush, but there were areas around Saigon that you were not  safe travelling around taking in local attractions.
Lots of broken English conversations.....warm beer, and good memories of great people.

[Value Buy]

Everyone has had a grand time thinking how racist I am, but let's get back to the intent of the thread, and Teddy Roosevelt.
Hard to believe just a hundred years ago we could possibly pass such (what is now thought of as) terrible inhumane legislation.
Times have changed, and all you have to say is I am a political refugee, or a religous refugee and the gate is wide open, and I am pretty well .
I stand by my comment, the legislation should stand as a requirement to hold political office in D.C.
This is why we are in the mess we are facing today.
If nothing else, knowledge of living within one's means and balancing a check book should be a requirement.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2013 22:03:12 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Everyone has had a grand time thinking how racist I am, but let's get back to the intent of the thread, and Teddy Roosevelt.

calm down.  i never called you a racist, dude.

[Value Buy]

Feb 21, 2013 22:07:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 21, 2013 22:03:12 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Everyone has had a grand time thinking how racist I am, but let's get back to the intent of the thread, and Teddy Roosevelt.

calm down.  i never called you a racist, dude.

No, you did not, and I quite frankly am not bothered by other's comments, because in my heart, I know who I am, and what I believe.
Just want to get back to how the country changes their attitudes in such a short amount of time. A hundred years is not that long, but I am a strict Constitutionalist, and do not believe Government  should not  do more than what was originally intended by our framers.
As the Magna Carta was earth shaking it's political fall out, so is our Constitution.
I feel as we add Amendments, we dilute it's actual quality.
Except, of course, there are a few that were needed.

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 On February 21, 1975...  Former United States Attorney General John N. Mitchell and former White House aides H. R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman were sentenced to prison.

[Value Buy]

Feb 21, 2013 22:18:23 GMT -5 @patiencetried said:

 On February 21, 1975...  Former United States Attorney General John N. Mitchell and former White House aides H. R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman were sentenced to prison.

As they should have been.

[chiver78]

Feb 21, 2013 22:07:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 21, 2013 22:03:12 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Everyone has had a grand time thinking how racist I am, but let's get back to the intent of the thread, and Teddy Roosevelt.

calm down.  i never called you a racist, dude.

nor did I. I'm sorry you think that my calling out your narrow-minded inaccurate focus means I think you're a racist. I posed my questions to engage a discussion, if for nothing else than to show that you aren't a racist. your first couple posts are pretty questionable.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2013 22:16:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 21, 2013 22:07:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

calm down.  i never called you a racist, dude.

No, you did not, and I quite frankly am not bothered by other's comments, because in my heart, I know who I am, and what I believe.
Just want to get back to how the country changes their attitudes in such a short amount of time. A hundred years is not that long, but I am a strict Constitutionalist, and do not believe Government  should not  do more than what was originally intended by our framers.
As the Magna Carta was earth shaking it's political fall out, so is our Constitution.
I feel as we add Amendments, we dilute it's actual quality.
Except, of course, there are a few that were needed.

you ok with the Bill of Rights?

[Tennesseer]

Feb 21, 2013 22:03:12 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Everyone has had a grand time thinking how racist I am, but let's get back to the intent of the thread, and Teddy Roosevelt.
Hard to believe just a hundred years ago we could possibly pass such (what is now thought of as) terrible inhumane legislation.
Times have changed, and all you have to say is I am a political refugee, or a religous refugee and the gate is wide open, and I am pretty well .
I stand by my comment, the legislation should stand as a requirement to hold political office in D.C.
This is why we are in the mess we are facing today.
If nothing else, knowledge of living within one's means and balancing a check book should be a requirement.

 You say inhumane legislation, but you felt the need to add "illegals" to your post. 

[Tennesseer]

Feb 21, 2013 22:16:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Feb 21, 2013 22:07:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

calm down.  i never called you a racist, dude.

No, you did not, and I quite frankly am not bothered by other's comments, because in my heart, I know who I am, and what I believe.
Just want to get back to how the country changes their attitudes in such a short amount of time. A hundred years is not that long, but I am a strict Constitutionalist, and do not believe Government  should not  do more than what was originally intended by our framers.
As the Magna Carta was earth shaking it's political fall out, so is our Constitution.
I feel as we add Amendments, we dilute it's actual quality.
Except, of course, there are a few that were needed.

Which few were needed.