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Me. And to be fair my teaching experiences influenced me to become more left leaning, although I'd still consider myself pretty moderate. Butt in my experience, at least around me, it doesn't hold true for most, let alone all. I also wonder how, when we have obvious efforts like this in Texas, Alabama, Kansas, etc... This could hold true? i do think more higher education might be more left leaning, at least near me... I agree with you about higher education. In my experience, K-12 teachers are roughly as conservative or liberal as their communities. But that could be my indoctrination speaking. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:10:16 GMT -5
Let me makes sure next time I don't get to involved in heavy subject, In this forum. We are all here to entertain ourselves, that's I am guessing.  Thanks to all. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:15:50 GMT -5
Heather has two mommies and Modern Family will pervert a child's nascent sexual interests? Is that your argument? Would you like to have two Mommy or ten. |
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 13, 2013 18:17:56 GMT -5
okay, let's not discuss the other posters and whether they may or may not have been abused. thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:19:07 GMT -5
Heather has two mommies and Modern Family will pervert a child's nascent sexual interests? Is that your argument? Would you like to have two Mommy or ten. I'm working on 10. The current step- mother is on the way out... I'll have to rename them... |
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2013 18:19:27 GMT -5
Can someone please enlighten me on this "homosexual lifestyle?" It sounds like all sorts of fun, but all the gay people I know are pretty boring like me. You know, they go to work, come home, take their dog for a walk, mow the lawn, garden, cook dinner. Once in a while they go out to dinner or meet up with friends, just like me.
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Silly girl. The homosexual lifestyle involves killer decorating skills and always bringing the perfect wine for dinner. It's an inborn gift. I suppose.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 13, 2013 18:20:30 GMT -5
I am most assuredly not left leaning. I've seen what some of those ideas have done to schools. Schools should be for education ONLY not indoctrination of any kind. Most of us managed to get through school without being taught PC BS. I'm not hetero because I was indoctrinated to be so but I don't think anything like that should be taught in school, period. Not our job.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 18:21:10 GMT -5
Heather has two mommies and Modern Family will pervert a child's nascent sexual interests? Is that your argument? It contributes to establishing the normalcy of LGBT relationships, which in turn contributes to breaking down a child's logical defenses in recognizing that these relationships are neither normal nor acceptable. Any child inured to the abnormality and unacceptability of these relationships will in turn be more susceptible to the ever-present bombardment of ambiguous sexual imagery in western culture, which may (not in all cases, but may) pervert his/her progressive sexual development. Yes, I apologize that is isn't as simple as A = B, but the world is a complicated place. That is my argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:24:53 GMT -5
Would you like to have two Mommy or ten. I'm working on 10. The current step- mother is on the way out... I'll have to rename them... your children will thank you for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:25:01 GMT -5
Personally, I fail to see how Cam and Mitchell are going to impact anyone sexually?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 13, 2013 18:25:02 GMT -5
None of this has any place in the public school system. I don't want any child indoctrinated to someone else's idea of an okay lifestyle. Schools job is education not this PC stuff. It's hard enough to teach what we are supposed to be teaching.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:25:44 GMT -5
I'm working on 10. The current step- mother is on the way out... I'll have to rename them... your children will thank you for it. I don't understand? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:26:18 GMT -5
okay, let's not discuss the other posters and whether they may or may not have been abused. thanks. -chiver mod Who are you talking to, am I missing something. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:26:52 GMT -5
Personally, I fail to see how Cam and Mitchell are going to impact anyone sexually? Go for it, then. |
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 18:27:12 GMT -5
Thundercats are overtly sexual? Some people have claimed that. I wouldn't say it's "overtly sexual", but right there in the second panel you have the hero-proportioned bemuscled tiger man whipping his foes into submission. It isn't hard to imagine how that might spark an interest or an attraction in a child who doesn't know his right hand from his left. And again, I'm not claiming it's just that one factor. It's a whole litany of factors--the bombardment--that would ultimately lead to a perversion of the child's nascent sexual interests. A cartoon where a scrawny pale dude asks the enemy nicely to stop it probably wouldn't draw many viewers. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:28:01 GMT -5
your children will thank you for it. I don't understand? You have to figure it out for yourself. That's lesson in life. |
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 18:29:44 GMT -5
None of this has any place in the public school system. I don't want any child indoctrinated to someone else's idea of an okay lifestyle. Schools job is education not this PC stuff. It's hard enough to teach what we are supposed to be teaching. Zib, you used to teach in public school. How did you answer kids who asked about something like why heather has two moms or what does gay mean? |
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 13, 2013 18:38:17 GMT -5
okay, let's not discuss the other posters and whether they may or may not have been abused. thanks. -chiver mod Who are you talking to, am I missing something. you and the other poster who asked whether someone had been abused as a child. discuss the topic, not the posters. -chiver mod ETA: I see both have been edited. thank you. |
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 13, 2013 18:38:34 GMT -5
I watched two sweet little girls ostracized by the rest of the school because their dad had a boyfriend and flaunted it at school. It broke my heart and pissed me off at the same time. Did the dad have a right to be happy? Sure he did but he sure wasn't thinking about anyone but himself. Do you really think teaching that having two daddies or two mommies is going to make a damn bit of difference? You want a different lifestyle? Fine, but think of someone besides yourself for a change. I'm sure you think/feel that teaching tolerance would alleviate the children's situation but it won't.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2013 18:40:22 GMT -5
It contributes to establishing the normalcy of LGBT relationships, which in turn contributes to breaking down a child's logical defenses in recognizing that these relationships are neither normal nor acceptable. Any child inured to the abnormality and unacceptability of these relationships will in turn be more susceptible to the ever-present bombardment of ambiguous sexual imagery in western culture, which may (not in all cases, but may) pervert his/her progressive sexual development.
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Au contraire, my friend. They ARE normal and acceptable. Just because your book says it's an abomination, doesn't make it so.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 18:40:25 GMT -5
What do you mean "flaunted" the boyfriend? PDA at school? That's just nasty
I don't want to see straight couples do that. Or did he just being the boyfriend to school,activities?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2013 18:41:02 GMT -5
Who are you talking to, am I missing something. you and the other poster who asked whether someone had been abused as a child. discuss the topic, not the posters. -chiver mod The post asking that question and the post quoting it have been removed. Keep it civil, people. mmhmm, P&M Moderator |
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2013 18:47:24 GMT -5
What do you mean "flaunted" the boyfriend? PDA at school? That's just nasty I don't want to see straight couples do that. Or did he just being the boyfriend to school,activities? Agreed, swamp. If two parents, regardless of gender, come to a PTA meeting together, or a school open house, or any other school activity, that is not "flaunting" anything. They're doing what good parents do and taking part in their children's education. PDA would be different; however, gender wouldn't play into it. It would be improper for any parents to exhibit PDA at a school function, IMO. |
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Who are you talking to, am I missing something. you and the other poster who asked whether someone had been abused as a child. discuss the topic, not the posters. -chiver mod ETA: I see both have been edited. thank you.  I thought, that comment's was an bate not an discussion. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 19:10:26 GMT -5
Some people have claimed that. I wouldn't say it's "overtly sexual", but right there in the second panel you have the hero-proportioned bemuscled tiger man whipping his foes into submission. It isn't hard to imagine how that might spark an interest or an attraction in a child who doesn't know his right hand from his left. And again, I'm not claiming it's just that one factor. It's a whole litany of factors--the bombardment--that would ultimately lead to a perversion of the child's nascent sexual interests. A cartoon where a scrawny pale dude asks the enemy nicely to stop it probably wouldn't draw many viewers. It's a double-edged sword, because 'conservatives' can take opposition too far. An example that springs to mind is Mr. Jerry Falwell's criticism of 'Teletubbies' while it was still on the air. Falwell contended that 'Tinky Winky' was a homosexual archetype because the character sported a purple triangle (apparently purple and the triangle were in use by various LGBT groups at that time), and because the character carried a purse. We had a fairly one-sided debate in my grade 9 social studies class about it, since everybody pretty much agreed that the 'teletubbies' were genderless, and that no child watching the show would have the slightest clue that purple triangles were 'gay symbols'. Hence, there was a critical thinking exercise where we found Mr. Falwell's objections unjustified. A more recent and less one-sided example is the controversy on whether 'Pokemon' was a vector for Satanic memes. (You have to be aware that 'Satanic' here refers to ideas that are expressly contrary to Christian ideals. That's all the term means in this case.) For example, some ideologues were upset that Pokemon 'evolve', which is clearly a kiddiefied analog of Darwin's theory of evolution. Personally, that tie-in doesn't bother me. However, other claims that the series "does away with" parental authority and portrays the authority of children as absolute, or that it contains sexual overtones in numerous episodes, are not so easily dismissed. And here was a case where the con side of the argument refused to engage in critical thinking. They heard 'Pokemon' and 'Satanic' in the same sentence, and laughed themselves stupid on blogs by posting pictures of the invariably innocent and goofy-looking Pokemon. But make no mistake, if you want to package a Satanic message and spoon-feed it to children, you do so by wrapping it up in 98% fluff, innocence and goofy-looking characters, and you feed it to them. The fact that Joe Public can't see the poison through the fluff by no means negates the effect of the poison. I'd wager the average parent has no idea how many ideas and themes are woven into children's programming (video games are another matter entirely). If you sit down and actually watch these shows with a critical eye, you'll notice that many unabashedly undermine the authority of the adult characters ( especially the male adult characters), sexualize the female characters, present children as being smarter, wiser, and more correct than their parents. To an uncanny extent there is always a "scientist" character, to whom the main characters run to to fix everything when things go to pot. Religion is (not surprisingly) portrayed as a singular, corrupt, monolithic entity whose only purpose is to curtail the freedom of the people. Animals are portrayed as having the same rights and emotions as humans, and are fully anthropomorphized in more cases than not. Don't think for a moment that children's programming isn't carefully, purposefully used as a vector for ideas the programmers want your children to hear. If there's one area of public life where I wish the average parent would exercise a bit more critical thought rather than laughing it off as "We had Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd.", it would be that. |
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you and the other poster who asked whether someone had been abused as a child. discuss the topic, not the posters. -chiver mod The post asking that question and the post quoting it have been removed. Keep it civil, people. mmhmm, P&M Moderator mmhmm,  It's warrant in this discussion, it hasn't been. But, thank you.  |
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 19:14:47 GMT -5
I spend plenty of time watching children's programming. I'm fully aware of what's in it and not in it.
Max and Ruby undermines parental authority.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 19:15:13 GMT -5
Let's just that that the book says it's so because they're abominable. The law was in existence before the book.
In the same way, gravity doesn't exist just because physics books say it exists. Physics books will tell you gravity exists because--guess what--it does.
It's not a matter of simply watching it. It's a matter of watching with a mind to look for very specific and often incredibly subtle things. Frankly, most of us have become so accustomed to them that we can't discern them all even when we devote the whole of our concentration to it.
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I spend plenty of time watching children's programming. I'm fully aware of what's in it and not in it. Max and Ruby undermines parental authority. Nothing like real life's experiences is there. |
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