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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:34:25 GMT -5
<br><br>Where's the critical thinking?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 14:38:19 GMT -5
Where's the critical thinking? I've put my faith to the test, to be sure. "Living faith", which 'proves all things', isn't a topic for this thread. My point above was that I've never been in a frame of mind to nurture sexual attractions towards men. I've never exercised that mental muscle.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:40:37 GMT -5
Where's the critical thinking? I've put my faith to the test, to be sure. "Living faith", which 'proves all things', isn't a topic for this thread. My point above was that I've never been in a frame of mind to nurture sexual attractions towards men. I've never exercised that mental muscle. So your critical thinking leads to conclusions that you were taught to believe as a child? And faith is just that, faith, not critical thinking.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 13, 2013 14:40:47 GMT -5
Virgil- I presume the idea of sex with men is abhorent to you, is it not? I am not baiting you- the thought of it is grotesque and abhorant to me as well. Would you, could you, actually engage in sex with a man as a "choice"? My bet is- hell no. On the basis of that alone I believe that homosexuality is not a "choice", but it is the way one is born. You should try it. It's fun. So, one man is always being raped? Wow, I never thought that- what do YOU know that I don't know?
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:41:48 GMT -5
You should try it. It's fun. So, one man is always being raped? Wow, I never thought that- what do YOU know that I don't know? Who said anything about raping anyone? I just think sex with a man is fun. I highly recommend it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:43:32 GMT -5
So, one man is always being raped? Wow, I never thought that- what do YOU know that I don't know? Who said anything about raping anyone? I just think sex with a man is fun. I highly recommend it. I should be born as man then. I was born into wrong sex.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 13, 2013 14:45:50 GMT -5
Whether or not homosexuality is a choice is not the topic- that's the distraction from the topic. The topic is the recognition that there's a polticized, militant sect of gay people with a political agenda who can only grow by means of persuasion. They need the support of heterosexuals- period. And do some of them target the schools for the purpose of indoctrinating the next generation to shift from the traditional view of marriage from a private religious institution respected by the state for the economic and other reasons to a state institution to which everyone of any lifestyle is welcomed- and upon which is bestowed all the benefits of the original traditional institution (and then some)? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:46:43 GMT -5
Where's the critical thinking? I've put my faith to the test, to be sure. "Living faith", which 'proves all things', isn't a topic for this thread. My point above was that I've never been in a frame of mind to nurture sexual attractions towards men. I've never exercised that mental muscle. You have a right to believe and practice your fate. . virgil.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:48:49 GMT -5
YOu mean there are gay people out there who want to make your kids gay? You really believe that?
Could you tell me who these people are? Their names or their groups?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:55:02 GMT -5
Whether or not homosexuality is a choice is not the topic- that's the distraction from the topic. The topic is the recognition that there's a polticized, militant sect of gay people with a political agenda who can only grow by means of persuasion. They need the support of heterosexuals- period. And do some of them target the schools for the purpose of indoctrinating the next generation to shift from the traditional view of marriage from a private religious institution respected by the state for the economic and other reasons to a state institution to which everyone of any lifestyle is welcomed- and upon which is bestowed all the benefits of the original traditional institution (and then some)? Yes. Actually the topic was about the GOP wanting to restrict critical thinking in schools in Texas. All of this is a distraction from the topic including what you are saying the topic is. However that happens in these threads. Different things get discussed as the conversation morphs from one subject to another. dem, It's only took me 6 months.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2013 17:04:49 GMT -5
That's precisely what I said. I get the difference. Coaching vs. teaching. I can teach someone to swim. Once they have the basic skills down, I coach them in various ways to use those skills more efficiently. Gold star to Swamp! By the time you're working with an employed adult, as we were, you're developing the skill set and directing it toward productive use in a given field. If the bricks have been laid early-on, you'll see results.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 13, 2013 17:10:31 GMT -5
So your argument is if kids never learn about homosexuality and never see homosexual acts or digested any homosexual media it wouldn't cross their minds that they are gay?
That isn't supported by science, and I would like to see the source for your comment about the MRI's that you say prove your point.
Science shows that 10% of almost all mammal populations are homosexual.
Do you recall the day that you said to yourself "I'm choosing to be attracted to girls?" I would wager that never happened. It's something that was just there, as far back as you can remember.
Well, gay people don't choose to be gay, either. They're that way from the start. Yes they can choose to never have sex, but why live a lonely, single life when you could find a partner to grow old with, other than that being gay makes some heteros uncomfortable?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 17:11:23 GMT -5
I never said anything about denying them that.
"In the privacy of their own home" is precisely where I want it to stay, not taught to the nation's children as being normal and acceptable.
It starts much earlier than that, it's an incremental process, and a significant portion of it is involuntary. Children pull in cues on sex (as in gender) and eroticism from cartoons, advertisements, magazine covers, television, video games, movies, comics, and any other media they digest. Given how ridiculously androgynous the characters they're bombarded with are, and how much of the content they're exposed to is either overtly sexual or laced with sexual messages, it's a wonder exclusively heterosexual sexual orientations still comprise a majority. Who knows what path kids will start down in that morass.
In addition to homosexuality, we have a growing cultural interest in sexual dominism, fetishism, growing contingents of 'bisexuals', 'queers' (who identify themselves as such), transvestites, 'transgendered' individuals, bestialists, 'furries', and individuals with all manner of sexual perversions, most of which would undoubtedly tell you that they were 'born' that way, or at least were that way "as long as they can remember". This is what we see. What we don't see because it isn't yet culturally acceptable, I don't even want to speculate on.
My point here, which you clearly agree with, is that being 'born' a certain way does not automatically grant one the moral prerogative to act according to his base nature.
That's a BS claim, and even if it wasn't, I could care less where bonobo chimps think it's fun to stick it when assessing the condition in homo sapiens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 17:18:41 GMT -5
So men are just choosing not to find chunky girls with mustaches attractive?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 17:27:42 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the root of the issue right there.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 13, 2013 17:34:17 GMT -5
Whether or not homosexuality is a choice is not the topic- that's the distraction from the topic. The topic is the recognition that there's a polticized, militant sect of gay people with a political agenda who can only grow by means of persuasion. They need the support of heterosexuals- period. And do some of them target the schools for the purpose of indoctrinating the next generation to shift from the traditional view of marriage from a private religious institution respected by the state for the economic and other reasons to a state institution to which everyone of any lifestyle is welcomed- and upon which is bestowed all the benefits of the original traditional institution (and then some)? Yes. The thread topic has nothing to do at all with gay or straight people. The thread topic is titled 'Texas GOP Rejects Critical Thinking'. How you got homosexual and heterosexual activity out of the opening post is beyond me.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 17:50:27 GMT -5
The discussion morphed. Some might say it devolved. Read through the thread from start to finish and the progression makes sense. In terms of cartoons, was thinking more along the lines of ...or any other cartoon made after the 1940's, but thanks for showing your age.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 17:55:01 GMT -5
I've never said there's no nature component to it. But we're talking about anywhere between 7-15% of the population, and yes, it isn't unreasonable to expect that this percentage of a population (or more) might be susceptible to the bombardment.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 17:57:05 GMT -5
Thundercats are overtly sexual?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2013 17:57:19 GMT -5
What is normal and acceptable for one may not be so for another. It doesn't fall into the purview of the one to condemn the other, as I see it. Those who do not eat meat are not automatically entitled to condemn those who do. In a mutually satisfactory relationship, nobody is being hurt and no law is being broken. "Normal" and "acceptable" may be different for different people. I don't see a problem there.
Children will always encounter things outside their homes that may not coincide with that which is acceptable in their homes. It's up to the parents of those children to set the rules for their homes. Once, however, the child is old enough to start making choices, if their critical thinking skills lead them to the decision the the "home rules" are questionable, they will question those rules, in many cases. Those who question may end by accepting the "home rules" as right for them, or wrong for them. If they find themselves at odds with those "home rules", when they reach maturity they're going to live their own lives and do it their own way. Maybe some will have their critical thinking skills quashed in the interests of mommy and daddy's preferred way of living; however, all will not. There's no way you're going to turn every child into an obedient robot unless you tie them up in the closet and keep them there.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 13, 2013 17:57:33 GMT -5
I agree with you that critical thinking can and should be taught in school, at the right time. But the fact of the matter is that if you have a bunch of lefties claiming to teach critical thinking, then the only views that will be challenged will be conservative ones, and critical thinking class can easily turn into "I'm telling you what to think not how to think" class. In my experience, liberals are more dogmatic than the Vatican when they get in power and folks in the education/social work field tend to be left leaning, so I have a hard time beleiving that critical thinking class in a public school will be anything other than liberal indoctination. LOL! Liberals are no more dogmatic than conservatives. Both are human beings and come in all varieties. There are dogmatic ones, diplomatic ones, malleable ones, stubborn ones ... the list goes on. The skill of critical thinking, in and of itself, precludes indoctrination. If you're a critical thinker, you're going to be a tough cookie when it comes to spoon-feeding dogma, or anything else. But since most people in the education field tend to be left leaning, when you do get a dogmatic teacher, conservative views and conservative students are going to bear the brunt of the "Indroctination masquerading as critical thinking". Conservatives don't distrust education. They mistrust the educators, often with good reason.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 17:59:22 GMT -5
Tygra wasn't. That thing where Lion-o's sword would grow was pretty risque. But as a heterosexual woman, even I don't think any of the dudes could compete with Cheetara.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:01:06 GMT -5
LOL! Liberals are no more dogmatic than conservatives. Both are human beings and come in all varieties. There are dogmatic ones, diplomatic ones, malleable ones, stubborn ones ... the list goes on. The skill of critical thinking, in and of itself, precludes indoctrination. If you're a critical thinker, you're going to be a tough cookie when it comes to spoon-feeding dogma, or anything else. But since most people in the education field tend to be left leaning, when you do get a dogmatic teacher, conservative views and conservative students are going to bear the brunt of the "Indroctination masquerading as critical thinking". Conservatives don't distrust education. They mistrust the educators, often with good reason. Are there any educators on P&M other than zibazinski? She's never struck me as left-leaning.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:02:00 GMT -5
Virgil,
I do admire your devotions for your belief. And having a admire family member as an Catholic Priest, I understands of your points of view, very well.
Also, I agrees with you on the issues of critical thinking skill. I do appreciate what others are saying, nobody yet, persuade me other wise.
To me, always has been, rise in human's mind to understand and reason. It has to come from inside of yourself. The curiosity of the mind one has and love of learning has a biggest factor. I might add, Wondrous minds on top of that. Text book nor teacher can't able to sums up with that.
Without that, you are walking as an empty shell of others.
There is no such things as an one size fits all, everyone should have some degree of critical thinking skill. How about getting it that's what we are discussing.
To me, get it, anyway you can. It will gives you the crutch of pitfall's of life.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2013 18:02:18 GMT -5
LOL! Liberals are no more dogmatic than conservatives. Both are human beings and come in all varieties. There are dogmatic ones, diplomatic ones, malleable ones, stubborn ones ... the list goes on. The skill of critical thinking, in and of itself, precludes indoctrination. If you're a critical thinker, you're going to be a tough cookie when it comes to spoon-feeding dogma, or anything else. But since most people in the education field tend to be left leaning, when you do get a dogmatic teacher, conservative views and conservative students are going to bear the brunt of the "Indroctination masquerading as critical thinking". Conservatives don't distrust education. They mistrust the educators, often with good reason. Again, I have to laugh. I live in a highly conservative area. The teachers around here are anything BUT left-leaning. That's a stereotype that really needs to be put to bed. There are conservative institutions of higher learning and there are liberal institutions of higher learning. Putting people in little boxes just doesn't serve us well. There are too many variables.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 18:03:56 GMT -5
Thundercats are overtly sexual? Some people have claimed that. I wouldn't say it's "overtly sexual", but right there in the second panel you have the hero-proportioned bemuscled tiger man whipping his foes into submission. It isn't hard to imagine how that might spark an interest or an attraction in a child who doesn't know his right hand from his left. And again, I'm not claiming it's just that one factor. It's a whole litany of factors--the bombardment--that would ultimately lead to a perversion of the child's nascent sexual interests.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:05:00 GMT -5
Me. And to be fair my teaching experiences influenced me to become more left leaning, although I'd still consider myself pretty moderate.
Butt in my experience, at least around me, it doesn't hold true for most, let alone all. I also wonder how, when we have obvious efforts like this in Texas, Alabama, Kansas, etc... This could hold true?
i do think more higher education might be more left leaning, at least near me...
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Feb 13, 2013 18:06:49 GMT -5
Robert, that question is far too personal to be asked here, and has no basis from which to be drawn. Let's not go there. - mmhmm, P&M Moderator
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 18:08:44 GMT -5
Heather has two mommies and Modern Family will pervert a child's nascent sexual interests? Is that your argument?
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