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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2013 12:54:26 GMT -5
I regard critical thinking as a skill that can be developed to its greatest potential in the individual. You may look at that as a belief that it can be taught, or not. It makes no difference to me. I know it can be developed because I have developed and implemented programs to do so for nurses. I know what presented itself at the beginning of a development program, and I know what walked out at the end. That is the sum of my argument. I agree with you that critical thinking can and should be taught in school, at the right time. But the fact of the matter is that if you have a bunch of lefties claiming to teach critical thinking, then the only views that will be challenged will be conservative ones, and critical thinking class can easily turn into "I'm telling you what to think not how to think" class. In my experience, liberals are more dogmatic than the Vatican when they get in power and folks in the education/social work field tend to be left leaning, so I have a hard time beleiving that critical thinking class in a public school will be anything other than liberal indoctination. LOL! Liberals are no more dogmatic than conservatives. Both are human beings and come in all varieties. There are dogmatic ones, diplomatic ones, malleable ones, stubborn ones ... the list goes on. The skill of critical thinking, in and of itself, precludes indoctrination. If you're a critical thinker, you're going to be a tough cookie when it comes to spoon-feeding dogma, or anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 13:22:41 GMT -5
mmhmm, If you're a critical thinker, you're going to be a tough cookie when it comes to spoon-feeding dogma, or anything else.
I agree with your summation, one hundred percent. Have a great day.
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Post by usaone on Feb 13, 2013 13:29:34 GMT -5
With the internet and such easy access to information this thread maybe somewhat of a moot point. After the children come home from school, they will have acces to just about any view point they wish to look at.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 13:47:09 GMT -5
usa, The real critical thinker can able to differentiate, what's real, what's not. I think, that might the differences. Can able to think, clearly and see. With somewhat without the our input and judgement .
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 13:48:48 GMT -5
With the internet and such easy access to information this thread maybe somewhat of a moot point. After the children come home from school, they will have acces to just about any view point they wish to look at. They need critical thinking to know what viewpoint is bullshit and what one is well reasoned.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 13:54:15 GMT -5
So... you didn't teach them how to think critically, but you helped them to "develop the skill of critical thinking"...? My advice to the student was predicated on the assumption that his/her parents love him and have a vested interest in his well-being. If I'm convinced they'll try to kill him, which was posited by @craftysarah's second question, they're obviously not particularly interested in his well-being. I can't specify exactly what advice I'd given to a student in such a situation if he wasn't interested in moral guidance, but I'd be sure to point out the two facts that i) living a lie is a bullet train to an emotional disaster somewhere down the line, and ii) given how strongly the student's parents felt about the issue, he'd be making a choice between his/her family and living a homosexual lifestyle. Either one or the other, but not both. I'd obviously emphasize the value of family, but ultimately it would be up to him to determine which of the two he valued more. Call that 'wavering' if you want, but I can also tell you that if he claimed his parents were aliens from outer space, my advice would change under those circumstances too. As for "your reply is supposed to guide the teen to finding their own answer, not provide your own moral/religious opinion", you're basically saying that if Joe Student asks if I have any tips on kidnapping elephants, I should shut up, pat him on his head, and send him along to Wikipedia.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 13:56:26 GMT -5
Can someone please enlighten me on this "homosexual lifestyle?" It sounds like all sorts of fun, but all the gay people I know are pretty boring like me. You know, they go to work, come home, take their dog for a walk, mow the lawn, garden, cook dinner. Once in a while they go out to dinner or meet up with friends, just like me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 13:58:40 GMT -5
Technically, it wasn't a question. I was just establishing that I think you are fundamentally decent human being despite the fact that I vehemently disagree with you much of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 13:59:33 GMT -5
Can someone please enlighten me on this "homosexual lifestyle?" It sounds like all sorts of fun, but all the gay people I know are pretty boring like me. You know, they go to work, come home, take their dog for a walk, mow the lawn, garden, cook dinner. Once in a while they go out to dinner or meet up with friends, just like me. I'm not sure. I think there's glitter involved.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:01:21 GMT -5
Can someone please enlighten me on this "homosexual lifestyle?" It sounds like all sorts of fun, but all the gay people I know are pretty boring like me. You know, they go to work, come home, take their dog for a walk, mow the lawn, garden, cook dinner. Once in a while they go out to dinner or meet up with friends, just like me. I'm not sure. I think there's glitter involved. and feather boas.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 14:01:25 GMT -5
Can someone please enlighten me on this "homosexual lifestyle?" It sounds like all sorts of fun, but all the gay people I know are pretty boring like me. You know, they go to work, come home, take their dog for a walk, mow the lawn, garden, cook dinner. Once in a while they go out to dinner or meet up with friends, just like me. In this context, it refers to having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 13, 2013 14:01:53 GMT -5
Can someone please enlighten me on this "homosexual lifestyle?" It sounds like all sorts of fun, but all the gay people I know are pretty boring like me. You know, they go to work, come home, take their dog for a walk, mow the lawn, garden, cook dinner. Once in a while they go out to dinner or meet up with friends, just like me. I'm not sure. I think there's glitter involved.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:02:51 GMT -5
Can someone please enlighten me on this "homosexual lifestyle?" It sounds like all sorts of fun, but all the gay people I know are pretty boring like me. You know, they go to work, come home, take their dog for a walk, mow the lawn, garden, cook dinner. Once in a while they go out to dinner or meet up with friends, just like me. In this context, it refers to having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men. Then just say it. "homosexual lifestyle" sounds stupid because most gay people live pretty boring lives, just like you and me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:06:34 GMT -5
In this context, it refers to having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men. By this definition, I am engaging in a homosexual lifestyle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:08:01 GMT -5
In this context, it refers to having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men. Then just say it. "homosexual lifestyle" sounds stupid because most gay people live pretty boring lives, just like you and me. Sexual orientation. we are not talking "homosexual lifestyle" is right, wrong here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:10:08 GMT -5
Can someone please enlighten me on this "homosexual lifestyle?" It sounds like all sorts of fun, but all the gay people I know are pretty boring like me. You know, they go to work, come home, take their dog for a walk, mow the lawn, garden, cook dinner. Once in a while they go out to dinner or meet up with friends, just like me. In this context, it refers to having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men. You are talking about man with man, woman with woman. virgil.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 14:10:25 GMT -5
In this context, it refers to having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men. Then just say it. "homosexual lifestyle" sounds stupid because most gay people live pretty boring lives, just like you and me. He'd be making a choice between his family and having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men. Satisfied? Incidentally, how do you know "most gay people live pretty boring lives, just like you and me"? Is that your gut feeling, something you think is "obviously the case", or do you have some credible evidence to back it up? Let's rustle up a bit of critical thinking in this thread. And since you made the claim, you're up first. Yes. Sarah knows what I meant. She's just poking fun.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 13, 2013 14:10:32 GMT -5
... Parents in local communities should get together and decide how best to educate their children, and what should be taught. Let the chips fall where they may. The tens of thousands of micro labs will tell us what works without any input from state- let alone national political leadership. ... Having "tens of thousands of micro labs will tell us" nothing. It would take longitudinal studies of the products of those labs to tell us what worked and what didn't. What has changed over the past 30 years is that the Federal Government has collected and published information on what is happening in regards to education in this country. The system was never significantly more or less effective than it is today. We just have better information. That's an absolutely fair point.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 13, 2013 14:11:40 GMT -5
Then just say it. "homosexual lifestyle" sounds stupid because most gay people live pretty boring lives, just like you and me. He'd be making a choice between his family and having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men. Satisfied? Incidentally, how do you know "most gay people live pretty boring lives, just like you and me"? Is that your gut feeling, something you think is "obviously the case", or do you have some credible evidence to back it up? Let's rustle up a bit of critical thinking in this thread. And since you made the claim, you're up first. This topic will be an excellent test of who really wants to stifle critical thinking. I can't wait...
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:12:34 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:13:15 GMT -5
In this context, it refers to having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men. By this definition, I am engaging in a homosexual lifestyle. does it involve glitter?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2013 14:16:04 GMT -5
That's precisely what I said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:16:06 GMT -5
By this definition, I am engaging in a homosexual lifestyle. does it involve glitter? as often as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:16:56 GMT -5
He'd be making a choice between his family and having a sexual or romantic relationship with another man or other men. Satisfied? Incidentally, how do you know "most gay people live pretty boring lives, just like you and me"? Is that your gut feeling, something you think is "obviously the case", or do you have some credible evidence to back it up? Let's rustle up a bit of critical thinking in this thread. And since you made the claim, you're up first. This topic will be an excellent test of who really wants to stifle critical thinking. I can't wait... You got it, paul.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:17:49 GMT -5
Virgil- I presume the idea of sex with men is abhorent to you, is it not? I am not baiting you- the thought of it is grotesque and abhorant to me as well. Would you, could you, actually engage in sex with a man as a "choice"? My bet is- hell no. On the basis of that alone I believe that homosexuality is not a "choice", but it is the way one is born. You should try it. It's fun.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:18:12 GMT -5
By this definition, I am engaging in a homosexual lifestyle. does it involve glitter? How about everything above and beyond.
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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 14:18:50 GMT -5
That's precisely what I said. I get the difference. Coaching vs. teaching. I can teach someone to swim. Once they have the basic skills down, I coach them in various ways to use those skills more efficiently.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 14:22:39 GMT -5
Virgil- I presume the idea of sex with men is abhorent to you, is it not? I am not baiting you- the thought of it is grotesque and abhorant to me as well. Would you, could you, actually engage in sex with a man as a "choice"? My bet is- hell no. On the basis of that alone I believe that homosexuality is not a "choice", but it is the way one is born. You should try it. It's fun. It's doesn't have any Merritt with the topic .
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 14:29:21 GMT -5
Virgil- I presume the idea of sex with men is abhorent to you, is it not? I am not baiting you- the thought of it is grotesque and abhorant to me as well. Would you, could you, actually engage in sex with a man as a "choice"? My bet is- hell no. On the basis of that alone I believe that homosexuality is not a "choice", but it is the way one is born. I was taught from day one that it was abhorrent, and I never partook in any acts or digested any media that would nurture that kind of sexual attraction. The muscles that grow stronger are the muscles you exercise, Demin. It works the same way for the mind, even for sexual attractions, and they have the fMRIs to prove it. As for a matter of choice: every man has a choice of whether or not to act on sexual impulses. This includes men with all manner of sexual perversions--many of which you would also consider perversions. It may be true that a pedophile is 'born' a pedophile, or a man who relishes sexually dominating and abusing women was 'born' with these predilections, but it is still within his capacity not to act on them, and morally incumbent upon him to exercise this restraint. Anyway, Virgil gots to get working...
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