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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 24, 2012 10:56:39 GMT -5
What documented and proven evil came directly from that house?
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 24, 2012 11:06:53 GMT -5
::Oh I know for sure evil exists. I used to walk past an old house, and every time I passed it I felt an extreme sense of evil.::
I would argue you believe evil exists, but you do not "know for sure". Feelings are not facts.
It's no different from me saying " I know for sure aliens exist, because I have a feeling that they do".
I think you have every right to believe what you want to believe in, but I also feel like people need to stop reporting their feelings as indisputable facts.
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Post by grits on Dec 24, 2012 11:18:49 GMT -5
What documented and proven evil came directly from that house? The evil didn't come from the house, it came from what was going on in the house. I could walk up on the porch with the mail, and even sense danger. I didn't tell anybody about it for years. It was a nice old queen an style house. Nothing to give you a reason to think it would be there. |
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Post by grits on Dec 24, 2012 11:19:57 GMT -5
::Oh I know for sure evil exists. I used to walk past an old house, and every time I passed it I felt an extreme sense of evil.:: I would argue you believe evil exists, but you do not "know for sure". Feelings are not facts. It's no different from me saying " I know for sure aliens exist, because I have a feeling that they do". I think you have every right to believe what you want to believe in, but I also feel like people need to stop reporting their feelings as indisputable facts. The same goes for your opinions. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean the other people are wrong. I believe you have a high opinion of your own ego but I cannot prove it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 11:24:04 GMT -5
is there a difference between "evil" and "psychotic?"
does jeffrey dahmer belong in both categories?
how about the pedophile from PennSt? Jerry Sandusky?
what about Charles Manson?
my opinion is that evil is like pornography....you know it when you see it
but definitely hard to put into words
no doubt in my mind that it exists.....
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 24, 2012 11:31:27 GMT -5
What documented and proven evil came directly from that house? The evil didn't come from the house, it came from what was going on in the house. I could walk up on the porch with the mail, and even sense danger. I didn't tell anybody about it for years. It was a nice old queen an style house. Nothing to give you a reason to think it would be there. Then let me rephrase the question. What documented and proven evil came from the man who lived in the house. |
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 24, 2012 12:01:55 GMT -5
::The same goes for your opinions. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean the other people are wrong.::
You're right, it doesn't, but I'm not going around telling you that I know evil does not exist, and using as my basis for my argument "i have a feeling".
::I could walk up on the porch with the mail, and even sense danger. I didn't tell anybody about it for years.::
Children get the same feeling every Halloween, that doesn't make everything that gives you the heebie jeebies "evil". To say nothing of the idea that "danger" is not the same as "evil" by any reasonable definition.
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 24, 2012 12:02:25 GMT -5
The evil didn't come from the house, it came from what was going on in the house. I could walk up on the porch with the mail, and even sense danger. I didn't tell anybody about it for years. It was a nice old queen an style house. Nothing to give you a reason to think it would be there. Then let me rephrase the question. What documented and proven evil came from the man who lived in the house. He got the heebie jeebies, isn't that enough to prove the existence of evil? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 12:38:53 GMT -5
Mistaking paranoia for intuition... is that "evil"?
How about deliberately choosing to believe in things that are not True... is that "evil"?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Dec 24, 2012 13:06:51 GMT -5
What documented and proven evil came directly from that house? ...I'm not grits, but what would constitute as "documented and proven evil" for purposes of this discussion?  |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 24, 2012 13:14:10 GMT -5
Would you agree that animals can sense danger without seeing it? Whether it's a heightened sense of smell or hearing or just some innate "feeling"? It only stands to reason humans can also sense danger and evil without seeing it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 24, 2012 13:16:18 GMT -5
What documented and proven evil came directly from that house? ...I'm not grits, but what would constitute as "documented and proven evil" for purposes of this discussion? Police reports and an arrest and conviction for something 'evil' I suppose. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 24, 2012 13:18:21 GMT -5
I don't know it for a fact, Tenn, but I'm guessing Satan is pretty damn good at slipping out of handcuffs.
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 24, 2012 13:23:51 GMT -5
::Would you agree that animals can sense danger without seeing it?::
Yes, if I punch my dog and he doesn't see it, he still 'senses' it. Which of the 5 senses detected the "evil"? I would agree that nearly everyone can detect danger without seeing it. Seeing is only 1 of 5 senses.
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 24, 2012 13:24:40 GMT -5
I don't know it for a fact, Tenn, but I'm guessing Satan is pretty damn good at slipping out of handcuffs. The person who reported the evil said it was a man doing it, not satan. ETA: You can believe in "evil" without believing in Satan also. |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Dec 24, 2012 13:26:19 GMT -5
...I'm not grits, but what would constitute as "documented and proven evil" for purposes of this discussion? Police reports and an arrest and conviction for something 'evil' I suppose. ...for instance?  |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 24, 2012 13:28:40 GMT -5
Actually, he said a man who was a Satanist. I know nothing about that particular set of beliefs, but I'd about bet it involves invoking Satan.
Agreed. I think the only disagreement lies in where that evil comes from.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 24, 2012 13:29:45 GMT -5
Hey now. If you punch your dog, you will see, hear, sense, smell and FEEL me coming!!  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 24, 2012 13:29:59 GMT -5
GEL-I personally don't believe in Satan or any other type of spiritual being or at least what mankind has come up with to explain things. Some do. I just don't.
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 24, 2012 13:32:00 GMT -5
::Actually, he said a man who was a Satanist. I know nothing about that particular set of beliefs, but I'd about bet it involves invoking Satan. ::
If you're a Christian, when you go out and do something "good", is it you doing something good or is it Christ doing it for you? I think most people would say it's still you doing the action. If you invoke Christ while murdering someone, it's you who gets arrested, not Christ. Same thing here.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 24, 2012 13:32:21 GMT -5
GEL-I personally don't believe in Satan or any other type of spiritual being or at least what mankind has come up with to explain things. Some do. I just don't. I know you don't. And you know I do! And we both still hate evil. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 13:32:40 GMT -5
I am not really sure, my opinion is belong to this thread or not. God is there for all of us. In his eyes we are all of his children. I believes in loving God and he is the only one can able to say. Who is Evil or not. In mean time we have to live with our own action in life. Merry Christmas to you ,all.   |
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 24, 2012 13:33:42 GMT -5
Hey now. If you punch your dog, you will see, hear, sense, smell and FEEL me coming!! I'm gonna smell you coming? I'm not sure I'd be telling peple that At least you had the good sense to leave out that I would taste you coming. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 24, 2012 13:34:08 GMT -5
It is Christ working through me. I am nothing without Him.
Most people would be wrong.
If some idiot invokes Christ while commiting a terrible sin, they deserve to be arrested.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 24, 2012 13:34:40 GMT -5
I love this sort of discussion, Hoops, but the thread will get moved. I'd be happy to discuss it with you in an appropriate place.
Merry Christmas.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 24, 2012 13:35:36 GMT -5
Police reports and an arrest and conviction for something 'evil' I suppose. ...for instance? I thought my statement was pretty clear. What specific evil (crime against a person, animal, place or thing) has this 'evil' person been charged and convicted of? If the guy in the house is hocusing/pocusing things in his own home, so what? Let him/her waste their time on silly stuff. The poster doesn't even know if that happened. He simply feels it might have happened but has zero evidence to base his claim. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 24, 2012 13:36:07 GMT -5
LOL!! I didn't mean to put that one in there!
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 24, 2012 13:37:05 GMT -5
GEL-I personally don't believe in Satan or any other type of spiritual being or at least what mankind has come up with to explain things. Some do. I just don't. I know you don't. And you know I do! And we both still hate evil. You could not be more correct than you are right now.  |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Dec 24, 2012 13:44:51 GMT -5
...for instance? I thought my statement was pretty clear. What specific evil (crime against a person, animal, place or thing) has this 'evil' person been charged and convicted of? If the guy in the house is hocusing/pocusing things in his own home, so what? Let him/her waste their time on silly stuff. The poster doesn't even know if that happened. He simply feels it might have happened but has zero evidence to base his claim. ...this whole thread won't or can't document evil, wouldn't you agree? we'd have an equal challenge in documenting good... my point in asking you to clarify your comment in part illustrates the point of the thread (imo) and in part asks you to be specific... one can be arrested for crimes that aren't categorically evil, so a criminal record wouldn't be proof, correct? ...moreover, following the 'evil is as evil does' approach, what do we think when one is arrested for an arguably evil crime but lacks motive and intent... so, were they evil or were they careless? edited typo |
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 24, 2012 13:55:24 GMT -5
::...this whole thread won't or can't document evil, wouldn't you agree? we'd have an equal challenge in documenting good... my point in asking you to clarify your comment in part illustrates the point of the thread (imo) and in part asks you to be specific... one can be arrested for crimes that aren't categorically evil, so a criminal record wouldn't be proof, correct? ::
While I agree with you, having something actually proven counts a lot more than "I felt weird, then a friend of a friend said they heard this guy was doing xyz". Because I'm guessing the proof that this guy was doing this stuff was not because the poster went into his house and sat there with him participating in the curses and Satanic rituatls.
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