Is this a "hate crime"??

[Taxman10]

www.phillyburbs.com/ap/state/pa/elderly-mennonite-sisters-recovering-after-attack/article_d86466f6-3be1-5078-b6bb-ea715c6498cb.html

Three elderly Pennsylvania sisters are recovering from their injuries after a brutal home invasion assault police say was motivated by their attacker's hatred of their peaceful Mennonite religion.

Authorities say 22-year-old Dereck Taylor Holt pretended to be an insurance salesman to get inside the Clay Township home, then bound the victims, hit them with a stun gun and sprayed the home with household chemicals. Investigators say he railed against religion during the attack, reading passages from their Bible then destroying it.

Can you imagine if someone did this to a muslim?? I'm sure CNN and MSNBC would cover it extensively....

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Yes.

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yes, it's a hate crime.

[thyme4change]

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[Tennesseer]

Your article states nothing about the perp being additionally charged with a hate crime. In fact the articles mentions nothing about charges other than being held on $1 million bail.

The attack, according the article, happened yesterday so I imagine he has not even had a preliminary hearing as to what the charges are and just the setting of bail.

So before you jump the shark and bring Muslims into the discussion, why not wait until you know all the facts.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I can't make the link come up. Are they ok?

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Dec 18, 2012 10:45:49 GMT -5 Taxman10 said:

www.phillyburbs.com/ap/state/pa/elderly-mennonite-sisters-recovering-after-attack/article_d86466f6-3be1-5078-b6bb-ea715c6498cb.html

Three elderly Pennsylvania sisters are recovering from their injuries after a brutal home invasion assault police say was motivated by their attacker's hatred of their peaceful Mennonite religion.

Authorities say 22-year-old Dereck Taylor Holt pretended to be an insurance salesman to get inside the Clay Township home, then bound the victims, hit them with a stun gun and sprayed the home with household chemicals. Investigators say he railed against religion during the attack, reading passages from their Bible then destroying it.

Can you imagine if someone did this to a muslim?? I'm sure CNN and MSNBC would cover it extensively....

Bullshit! My ex was Egyptian (Christian, not Muslim), and he got jumped after 9/11 constantly. He could get no one to intervene, cops, newspaper, no one. Almost everyone asked what he did to get attacked, when all he did was walk to call on his college campus.

[Tennesseer]

As to whether or not it's a hate crime, on the surface it appears so.

And just so you know, not all alleged hate crimes make national news let alone reported on CNN and MSNBC.

[Phoenix84]

I disagree with the whole premise behind a hate crime. But if there was to be one then this would fall under it.

And yes, the media is strangely silent after Christians get attacked for their religion, even though it's very common and thousands of Christians die every year for their faith.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 18, 2012 11:02:23 GMT -5 @gin1984 said:

Dec 18, 2012 10:45:49 GMT -5 Taxman10 said:

www.phillyburbs.com/ap/state/pa/elderly-mennonite-sisters-recovering-after-attack/article_d86466f6-3be1-5078-b6bb-ea715c6498cb.html




Can you imagine if someone did this to a muslim?? I'm sure CNN and MSNBC would cover it extensively....

Bullshit! My ex was Egyptian (Christian, not Muslim), and he got jumped after 9/11 constantly. He could get no one to intervene, cops, newspaper, no one. Almost everyone asked what he did to get attacked, when all he did was walk to call on his college campus.

Don't bite the troll bait gin1984.

[thyme4change]

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[Tennesseer]

Dec 18, 2012 11:05:10 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I disagree with the whole premise behind a hate crime. But if there was to be one then this would fall under it.

And yes, the media is strangely silent after Christians get attacked for their religion, even though it's very common and thousands of Christians die every year for their faith.

Yes. Thousands of U.S. Christians are murdered because of their faith every year.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Dec 18, 2012 11:00:18 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

If he really wanted to tourture them, he should have made them drive a car, and use a cell phone.

Why would this be torture?

[thyme4change]

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[Tennesseer]

Dec 18, 2012 11:08:33 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Your article states nothing about the perp being additionally charged with a hate crime.

I think that is the point of the thread. More like "Shouldn't this be a hate crime?"

This attack occurred yesterday. How about giving the police and investigators a bit more time to conduct their investigation.

[Phoenix84]

"Yes. Thousands of U.S. Christians are murdered because of their faith every year."

The world is bigger than the U.S Tennesesseer, you should know that.

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Has NotMSN taken a really morbid, angry, ugly turn lately or has it always been this way and my mood just changed?

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Dec 18, 2012 11:10:10 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mennonites are like the Amish - technology severs your ties with God.

Mennonites actually DO drive cars and use a good deal of technology.

[midjd]

Has NotMSN taken a really morbid, angry, ugly turn lately or has it always been this way and my mood just changed?

It's always been this way. It gets worse about 4x a year... not sure why.

And yes, Mennonites are more like "Amish-lite"... they can drive, go to public school, etc. I actually took driver's ed with a Mennonite girl.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Dec 18, 2012 11:10:10 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mennonites are like the Amish - technology severs your ties with God.

Mennonites are quite similar to the Amish. However, they drive cars.

[thyme4change]

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I hate crime

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Dec 18, 2012 11:12:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mennonites actually DO drive cars and use a good deal of technology.

There are a wide range of sects, and different groups believe different things.

in general though, Mennonites do at least drive cars.

and yeah, I'm noting the stinky mood as of late.

[thyme4change]

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there are Amish in AZ? Wow, you learn something new every day....

[Green Eyed Lady]

I live in an area of the country with many Mennonites. All of them drive cars, shop, have electricty, use technology, etc. My gyno is a Mennonite. She drives to work, uses the phone to call in a prescription and enters my test results into a computer.

I hope the ladies are ok. I still can't make the link work.

[thyme4change]

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[Tennesseer]

Dec 18, 2012 11:10:42 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

"Yes. Thousands of U.S. Christians are murdered because of their faith every year."

The world is bigger than the U.S Tennesesseer, you should know that.

But we cannot force the world to charge the killers of Christians (or Muslims, Jews, etc.) with hate crimes can we Phoenix, you should know that.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 18, 2012 11:10:10 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mennonites are like the Amish - technology severs your ties with God.

New Order Mennonites drive cars and own cell phones.

[thyme4change]

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