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Post by swasat on Nov 27, 2012 10:43:15 GMT -5
Do any of you have personal experience with a job offer that was rescinded?
I was having an argument with a dear friend yesterday. She has accepted a job offer in a new company but is scared to death to give her resignation at the current employer. She has a mandatory 2 week notice. But she is scared shitless that she will submit her resignation and during the 2 week period the new company "might" rescind their job offer because its at-will employment.
In my 10 years of working I have never heard this happen. Ya, it "can" happen but then anything can happen. Doesn't mean that you don't switch jobs! I have changed jobs too and went through the same process of resignation, 2 week notices, the works...... So I don't understand her fear.
FWIW, she signed the written job offer. she has been given the join date. Now she is waiting to receive the other forms that HR needs filled out.
So, does anyone had a job offer rescinded ever?
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Post by swamp on Nov 27, 2012 10:45:15 GMT -5
I have seen a job offer rescinded, but the offer was contingent on a reference and background check, and the references and background showed some unfavorable things.
However, the person was told it was contingent.
I've also seen some revoked on funding issues, but it was usually grant funded and the grant wasn't awarded.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 27, 2012 10:47:42 GMT -5
Quitting your job is scary. I have always had this same fear, but the only time I've seen it happen, there was something really fishy going on, and I'm not sure there actually was a "real" job offer to begin with.
And yes - drug and background checks - I know people that wait until all the contingencies are cleared before putting in their two weeks notice.
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Post by swasat on Nov 27, 2012 10:49:08 GMT -5
This is a BIG company we are talking about. One of the BIG, BIG banks of the country. Her offer is contingent on credit history check, background check and drug test. Her credit history is superb, background is squeaky clean, no issues with drugs. Hence my non-understanding of her fear.
All my jobs have been contingent on those checks. But one must go through them to further your career. Specially now that she has accepted the offer, she must submit her resignation so she can start on the expected join date. She is second guessing herself ......
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 27, 2012 10:54:17 GMT -5
One guy I knew didn't quit until his drug test came back. I asked him if it was because he had been toking up recently, and he said that there is no reason to discard a great job to find out that there was a mix-up in the lab and you failed the drug test. Humans are everywhere in that drug test process. Remember the big "Poppy bagel" scare in the 90's - when people were eating a muffin and then failing drug tests. Maybe she should wait until all the contingents come back, and then put in her notice. This would be a hell-a-bad way to find out someone stole your identity and the credit report is showing a bunch of garbage, or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 10:56:29 GMT -5
If she is really that scared she can not give the 2 weeks notice. It is not the smart thing to do, though.
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Post by swasat on Nov 27, 2012 10:56:39 GMT -5
Hmm.
She already has a start date. The company wants her to start on that date. If she does not put in her notice now she will not be able to make that date. So I don't think she has the liberty to wait till the drug test comes back.
Sigh.....
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Post by swasat on Nov 27, 2012 10:57:23 GMT -5
If she is really that scared she can not give the 2 weeks notice. It is not the smart thing to do, though. Whats not the smart thing to do Archie? To NOT give the 2 week notice?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 10:58:07 GMT -5
If she is really that scared she can not give the 2 weeks notice. It is not the smart thing to do, though. Whats not the smart thing to do Archie? To NOT give the 2 week notice? yes. It burns some bridges, but some bridges are made to be burned. So the zombies can't follow you across it.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 27, 2012 10:58:53 GMT -5
She has two choices - she can call and renegotiate her start date. Or she can take a leap of faith. If she really doesn't trust this new company - she has big troubles.
In general, is she employable? I mean - worst case scenario, and unlikely scenario - the job offer gets pulled and she looks for another job - right?
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Post by swasat on Nov 27, 2012 11:00:54 GMT -5
Whats not the smart thing to do Archie? To NOT give the 2 week notice? yes. It burns some bridges, but some bridges are made to be burned. So the zombies can't follow you across it. I understand the fear, I have been through it too whenever I changed jobs. What I don't understand is why she letting her fear make her let go of an excellent opportunity. She is so scared that she is second guessing her decision. The company has made a written offer. She has signed it already. My point to her is: GET OVER IT! You have a new job! A much better job. Move on and embrace it.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 27, 2012 11:02:35 GMT -5
I think the "not smart" thing to do is accept a job where you trust the company and new boss so little that you send yourself into a frenzy.
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Post by swasat on Nov 27, 2012 11:03:32 GMT -5
Yup. She is highly skilled, just very scared. This will be her first job change. She joined her current employer right after college and has been there for 8 years.
I have been telling her the same thing. If worst comes to worst she can look for some other job. Its just a job. Not the end of life. Some risks are meant to be taken if ypu want to go further in career or life.
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 27, 2012 11:06:25 GMT -5
I worked for a company that had paid to relocate a person and his family and he got laid off on his first day. (It was shocking that such a well run organization could end up in bk...) I was told that they did pay to move him and his family back to his home state.
Another gal I worked with quit our company and gave an incredibly poor exit interview, only to find out that her newborns medical bills had been turned over to collections because of insurance issues. The new company rescinded her job offer. The newborn had open heart surgery a few days after birth so these were HUGE bills, but I have a hard time believing that she had no idea that they had sent her to collections over them.
Can your friend call the new employer and ask them to speed up the drug and background checks? There can be mix ups with any of them and if she's that nervous about it its probably worth asking.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 27, 2012 11:06:42 GMT -5
Tell her to man up and pull up her knickers and quit her job. A life lived in fear is a sad life indeed. She needs to get tough.
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Post by swasat on Nov 27, 2012 11:11:02 GMT -5
Tell her to man up and pull up her knickers and quit her job. A life lived in fear is a sad life indeed. She needs to get tough. ;D Thyme...believe me I have used harsher words with her. She is quite unhappy at her current job. She is STILL so scared to take chances.....
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 27, 2012 11:33:21 GMT -5
I worked for a company that had paid to relocate a person and his family and he got laid off on his first day. (It was shocking that such a well run organization could end up in bk...) I was told that they did pay to move him and his family back to his home state. Another gal I worked with quit our company and gave an incredibly poor exit interview, only to find out that her newborns medical bills had been turned over to collections because of insurance issues. The new company rescinded her job offer. The newborn had open heart surgery a few days after birth so these were HUGE bills, but I have a hard time believing that she had no idea that they had sent her to collections over them. I don't. While waiting for my insurance to pay, I recently found out that 2 of my medical accounts were sent to collections. When one bill came in, I was afraid something like this would happen since it had taken insurance so long, so I sent a $400 check. I now have a $700 credit on an account that is in collections for $300. 90 minutes on the phone had me hanging up In frustration, as the clerk was utterly useless. So yeah.....you can be sent to collections and not know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 11:43:06 GMT -5
I have friends whose jobs were rescinded after written offers when they passed all the checks. They were told that the funding for the position hadn't come through, or that a mistake was made. One of these happened at a major corporation in the area. They didn't fight the offers being rescinded because they didn't want to burn bridges.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 27, 2012 11:44:15 GMT -5
I got a collections notice 3 years later for $11.56 for a procedure I had done. I'd never recieved a bill and according to the billing department I had no outstanding bills. It happens. I hate hospital billing.
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Post by movingforward on Nov 27, 2012 11:52:31 GMT -5
Tell her to man up and pull up her knickers and quit her job. A life lived in fear is a sad life indeed. She needs to get tough. ;D Thyme...believe me I have used harsher words with her. She is quite unhappy at her current job. She is STILL so scared to take chances..... I have a friend who is terribly unhappy at her job (she has been there 11 yrs). She is scared to death of trying anything new and gives the excuse of how she likes security. Meanwhile, she has absolutely no savings, no idea how much is in her retirement and works for a company who is not entirely financially sound. I told her that her definition and my definition of security must be two different things.
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Post by Opti on Nov 27, 2012 11:52:49 GMT -5
Do any of you have personal experience with a job offer that was rescinded? I was having an argument with a dear friend yesterday. She has accepted a job offer in a new company but is scared to death to give her resignation at the current employer. She has a mandatory 2 week notice. But she is scared shitless that she will submit her resignation and during the 2 week period the new company "might" rescind their job offer because its at-will employment. In my 10 years of working I have never heard this happen. Ya, it "can" happen but then anything can happen. Doesn't mean that you don't switch jobs! I have changed jobs too and went through the same process of resignation, 2 week notices, the works...... So I don't understand her fear. FWIW, she signed the written job offer. she has been given the join date. Now she is waiting to receive the other forms that HR needs filled out. So, does anyone had a job offer rescinded ever? I hear of it far too often but then I volunteer with an organization whose purpose is to get professionals re-employed. It is a valid fear especially in this economy but she has to choose whether she wants to live in fear and not give notice or trust and give the notice. Most of us in this organization because of what we have heard and certain members experience don't count a job truly landed until the first day. I know of way too many layoffs in the first month of employment which is why I am not too keen on the uproot go to another state where you don't know a soul. The odds are still in her favor it will work out.
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 27, 2012 11:58:08 GMT -5
I know hospital billing sucks, but she definitely knew that the insurance company was fighting the bills (something about babies last name different than hers and she carried the insurance) and we're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. It was a really crappy situation and I'm not trying to take away from that, but she knew it was an issue and just didn't think that she should/would have to deal with it.
She wasn't a rock star employee to start with, but we were busy and our company would have kept her on if she hadn't been so rude in her exit interview.
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Post by shanendoah on Nov 27, 2012 12:00:43 GMT -5
We recently hired a new director. All of our job offers are contingent on background and reference checks. Our new director did not give notice at her former job until those checks came back clean. Did she expect them to go badly- of course not, but you never know what someone else is looking for. You can pass a background check for one thing and two days later fail one for something else. I also don't give notice until the contingencies are cleared up, but I also make that clear to those hiring me, so they know in advance. If, for some reason, the new company needed me to be able to start sooner than 3 weeks (at my company, minimum 3 weeks notices is requested for all exempt or manager+ level positions) after the checks were completed, I would ask for something tangible in return for the risk I would be taking. (Yes, the risk is negligible, but it's still a risk.)
What's hitting your friend is a case of nerves and misplaced loyalty. She's miserable in her current job- enough so that she found a new one. But this is the only job she's ever known. She's been there for 8 years. They hired her right out of college. My guess is it is less fear of not getting the new job and more a sense of guilt about giving her resignation and fear of how her current boss and co-workers will respond. And those feelings won't go away regardless of whether the contingent checks have been passed or not, but they are the current convenient excuse. So, she could call and renegotiate her start date, but in this case, I don't think that would be the best plan. She actually needs to answer the question- what thought makes her more miserable- staying at this job she hates forever, or the 5 minutes it takes to hand over her resignation and 2 weeks of being the "walking dead"? If the latter scares her more than the former, she should tell the new company she won't be coming to work for them.
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Post by alabamagal on Nov 27, 2012 12:07:15 GMT -5
I had a friend who had a job offer rescinded due to failing drug test for prescribed narcotics (after surgery). She tried to explain, but it was a no go. Some companies do have odd rules.
I'm not sure having minor miscellaneous bills go to collections (and be taken care of) would prohibit you from getting a job, but you never know.
I'm not sure any company can enforce the "mandatory 2 week notice". Or you can give notice and then call in sick the last 2 weeks. You probably wouldn't get paid, but if you are working at a better job, it is probably worth it.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 27, 2012 12:09:00 GMT -5
::She has a mandatory 2 week notice::
Just out of curiosity, what makes her 2 week notice "mandatory"?
::Her offer is contingent on credit history check, background check and drug test. Her credit history is superb, background is squeaky clean, no issues with drugs. Hence my non-understanding of her fear.::
This would probably concern me too. You never know what's going to pop up, or end up taking longer to resolve than normal. We hire a bunch of temps, they all have start dates, but if the background check doesn't come back in time they can't start on that date...even if the check comes back clean eventually.
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Post by movingforward on Nov 27, 2012 12:13:13 GMT -5
Yeah, most companies "expect" a two week notice and to me it is generally the right thing to do but I don't know that a company can actually "force" someone to give a two week notice.
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Post by swasat on Nov 27, 2012 12:19:35 GMT -5
::She has a mandatory 2 week notice:: Just out of curiosity, what makes her 2 week notice "mandatory"? I am just quoting her. I don't know how its mandatory for her. Maybe its not. Maybe her employment contract with the current company had it written that way. I have no idea. I have never had a "mandatory" 2 week notice. But I don't know about her company's policies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 12:43:52 GMT -5
I think it's common to require a two week notice to be paid vacation... but other than that I don't know if there would be any way to enforce it. The company could have you arrested if you don't give 2 weeks notice.
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Post by Peace77 on Nov 27, 2012 13:24:39 GMT -5
I have seen 2 job offers rescinded.
One was for a potential tenant who failed the credit check for a government job.
The other was for DH who was offered a job out of state and moving expenses. In fact, they offered me a part-time job too. Later, the had more questions (the kind that should have been asked before traveling out of state for an interview) and the rescinded the offer claiming they had insufficient funding. They reimbursed our travel expenses. The organization is now closed.
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Post by swasat on Nov 27, 2012 13:27:37 GMT -5
Is the two-weeks notice mandatory because her current employment isn't at-will? As I said in a previous post, I am just quoting her in saying its mandatory. Her employment is at-will. She just mentioned that its mandatory for her to give 2 week notice. Maybe she meant "customary" but said "mandatory".
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