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Post by dancinmama on Oct 18, 2012 2:12:14 GMT -5
Yup, the truth is usually enough. By the way, the rest of your response had nothing to do with what I posted. If Mitt and his entire team is too stupid to read then he deserved what Crowley handed him. Obama's statement in the Rose garden had been floating around on the internet for at least a day before Mitt opened his mouth. Personally I think it's pretty insulting to every American to suggest that the first thought of the president when hearing that 4 Americans died was about how it would effect him politically. That's right up there with suggesting that Bush might have been excited on 9/11 because the terror attacks might result in a boost of his approval ratings. Such a response to this incident is pretty sick. Don't you remember when Clinton looked into the camera and adamantly declared, "I did not have sex with that woman."? Politicians will say and do almost anything when they feel their political careers are in danger and their backs are against the wall. And they're stupid enough to believe that the truth will not come out, as was the case with Clinton when questioned under oath about Monica Lewinsky. More and more information is coming out about the incident as each day passes and it is becoming more and more clear that Obama already knew that there was no spontaneous mob protest when Rice appeared on the Sunday talk show circuit, when Hillary Clinton appeared on television in the Middle East to decry "the video" to the Muslim people, and when Obama himself repeated the "story" in his speech to the United Nations on September 25th. Fortunately, security cameras at the consulate don't lie. Interestingly enough, over all those days when Obama or anyone from his administration spoke, they did not describe the incident as a terrorist attack or an act of terror. Rice even excluded the possibility of it being a preplanned attack when she appeared over and over and over again on ALL of the Sunday political shows. Last night Obama sternly stated, "The suggestion that anybody in my team, the Secretary of State, our UN Ambassador, anybody on my team, would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, Governor, is offensive; that's not what we do. That's not what I do as President; that's not what I do as Commander and Chief." All I can say is, "Me thinks thou doth protest too much, Mr. President."
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 18, 2012 8:49:27 GMT -5
Don't you remember when Clinton looked into the camera and adamantly declared, "I did not have sex with that woman."? Politicians will say and do almost anything when they feel their political careers are in danger and their backs are against the wall. And they're stupid enough to believe that the truth will not come out, as was the case with Clinton when questioned under oath about Monica Lewinsky.
As I recall, nobody had died...... We'd all be better off if Bush's misdeeds and lies had merely been about a sexual escapade.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 18, 2012 10:00:08 GMT -5
Don't you remember when Clinton looked into the camera and adamantly declared, "I did not have sex with that woman."? Politicians will say and do almost anything when they feel their political careers are in danger and their backs are against the wall. And they're stupid enough to believe that the truth will not come out, as was the case with Clinton when questioned under oath about Monica Lewinsky.As I recall, nobody had died...... We'd all be better off if Bush's misdeeds and lies had merely been about a sexual escapade. But they did die in Benghazi because Obama's regime denied requested security, refused to attend intel briefings. And they died on 9.11.01 because Clinton was too busy getting Hinklemans in the Oval office to pay attention to national security. Both projected weakness. Both got people killed.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 18, 2012 10:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 18, 2012 10:29:03 GMT -5
Sept. 11: Despite anti-video demonstrations in Cairo, Benghazi is tranquil. According to U.S. diplomats, “everything is calm. There’s nothing unusual. There has been nothing unusual during the day at all outside. No protests all day.”
At 9:40 p.m. local time, however, gunfire and explosions rock the consulate.
Sept. 12: As these homicides become clear, Obama says, “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, but there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None.” Obama then skips his daily intelligence briefing and jets to a Las Vegas fundraiser.
Sept. 13: “The United States government had absolutely nothing to do with this video,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declares. “We absolutely reject its content and message.”
Sept. 14: “The unrest we’ve seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that Muslims, many Muslims find offensive,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announces. That day, as the murdered Americans’ remains reach Andrews Air Force Base, Clinton says: “We have seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with.”
Sept. 16: United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice calls the violence “a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video.”
Sept. 18: Obama tells comedian David Letterman that he rejects the “extremely offensive video directed at Mohammed and Islam.” Obama adds that “extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the consulate in Libya.”
Sept. 19: Team Obama abruptly changes tunes. National Counterterrorism Director Matthew Olsen informs the Senate Homeland Security Committee, “I would say yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy.”
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 18, 2012 11:44:32 GMT -5
Who can forget Richard Nixon's 'I am not a Crook' speech. Less than a month after his resignation, President Ford pardoned Nixon of all wrongdoings to avoid a trial and probable criminal conviction.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 18, 2012 11:46:46 GMT -5
Who can forget Richard Nixon's 'I am not a Crook' speech. Less than a month after his resignation, President Ford pardoned Nixon of all wrongdoings to avoid a trial and probable criminal conviction. most people forget that Nixon was also re-elected during the height of this scandal.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 18, 2012 11:49:35 GMT -5
I didn't. I voted for McGovern (bless his soon to be departed soul).
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 18, 2012 12:06:21 GMT -5
American Crossroads responds to debate-gate which has significantly exacerbated Obama's Benghazi national security failure and cover up scandal...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 18, 2012 12:07:35 GMT -5
Who can forget Richard Nixon's 'I am not a Crook' speech. Less than a month after his resignation, President Ford pardoned Nixon of all wrongdoings to avoid a trial and probable criminal conviction. Do you really want to have a discussion about presidential pardons and Bill Clinton?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 18, 2012 12:17:42 GMT -5
I didn't. I voted for McGovern (bless his soon to be departed soul). As did I.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 18, 2012 12:32:09 GMT -5
Who can forget Richard Nixon's 'I am not a Crook' speech. Less than a month after his resignation, President Ford pardoned Nixon of all wrongdoings to avoid a trial and probable criminal conviction. Do you really want to have a discussion about presidential pardons and Bill Clinton? Which succeeding president pardoned Clinton?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 18, 2012 12:39:52 GMT -5
![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/1-1.gif) BAM!
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 18, 2012 12:41:58 GMT -5
;D Well, that's the one that really counts, right? Yup. The only one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 12:42:37 GMT -5
Don't you remember when Clinton looked into the camera and adamantly declared, "I did not have sex with that woman."? Politicians will say and do almost anything when they feel their political careers are in danger and their backs are against the wall. And they're stupid enough to believe that the truth will not come out, as was the case with Clinton when questioned under oath about Monica Lewinsky. No. But I remember when he looked at the cameras and said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." He was trying to get off on semantics. History should honor that particular turn of phrase.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 18, 2012 13:39:03 GMT -5
I really liked when he declared that it depended on what the meaning of the word is is. I believe that is the greatest example of parcing that I have ever seen, or ever will. I mean, you have to have a set to say something like that with a straight face. Well, I know a woman who is a Seventh Day Adventist, which prohibits sex before marriage. She and her boyfriend engage in anal sex, oral sex, you name it; everything except coitus. They insist they're not having sex. As far as I'm concerned, it's not exactly keeping to the spirit of church doctrine, but whatever floats your boat. I think it's ridiculous.
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Post by dancinmama on Oct 18, 2012 15:18:49 GMT -5
Don't you remember when Clinton looked into the camera and adamantly declared, "I did not have sex with that woman."? Politicians will say and do almost anything when they feel their political careers are in danger and their backs are against the wall. And they're stupid enough to believe that the truth will not come out, as was the case with Clinton when questioned under oath about Monica Lewinsky.As I recall, nobody had died...... We'd all be better off if Bush's misdeeds and lies had merely been about a sexual escapade. So if people die politicians won't lie about it? I used Clinton as the example because his lie was so blatant and "in your face".
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Post by dancinmama on Oct 18, 2012 15:40:04 GMT -5
Who can forget Richard Nixon's 'I am not a Crook' speech. Less than a month after his resignation, President Ford pardoned Nixon of all wrongdoings to avoid a trial and probable criminal conviction. That's a good one too!!
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Post by dancinmama on Oct 18, 2012 15:49:18 GMT -5
Sept. 11: Despite anti-video demonstrations in Cairo, Benghazi is tranquil. According to U.S. diplomats, “everything is calm. There’s nothing unusual. There has been nothing unusual during the day at all outside. No protests all day.” At 9:40 p.m. local time, however, gunfire and explosions rock the consulate. Sept. 12: As these homicides become clear, Obama says, “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, but there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None.” Obama then skips his daily intelligence briefing and jets to a Las Vegas fundraiser. Sept. 13: “The United States government had absolutely nothing to do with this video,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declares. “We absolutely reject its content and message.” Sept. 14: “The unrest we’ve seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that Muslims, many Muslims find offensive,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announces. That day, as the murdered Americans’ remains reach Andrews Air Force Base, Clinton says: “We have seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with.” Sept. 16: United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice calls the violence “a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video.” Sept. 18: Obama tells comedian David Letterman that he rejects the “extremely offensive video directed at Mohammed and Islam.” Obama adds that “extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the consulate in Libya.” Sept. 19: Team Obama abruptly changes tunes. National Counterterrorism Director Matthew Olsen informs the Senate Homeland Security Committee, “I would say yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy.” Excellent timeline. I'd add that on September 25th when Obama addressed the United Nations, he was still talking about the video. Apparently he didn't get "the memo".
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 18, 2012 17:50:30 GMT -5
Sept. 11: Despite anti-video demonstrations in Cairo, Benghazi is tranquil. According to U.S. diplomats, “everything is calm. There’s nothing unusual. There has been nothing unusual during the day at all outside. No protests all day.” At 9:40 p.m. local time, however, gunfire and explosions rock the consulate. Sept. 12: As these homicides become clear, Obama says, “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, but there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None.” Obama then skips his daily intelligence briefing and jets to a Las Vegas fundraiser. Sept. 13: “The United States government had absolutely nothing to do with this video,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declares. “We absolutely reject its content and message.” Sept. 14: “The unrest we’ve seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that Muslims, many Muslims find offensive,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announces. That day, as the murdered Americans’ remains reach Andrews Air Force Base, Clinton says: “We have seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with.” Sept. 16: United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice calls the violence “a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video.” Sept. 18: Obama tells comedian David Letterman that he rejects the “extremely offensive video directed at Mohammed and Islam.” Obama adds that “extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the consulate in Libya.” Sept. 19: Team Obama abruptly changes tunes. National Counterterrorism Director Matthew Olsen informs the Senate Homeland Security Committee, “I would say yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy.” Excellent timeline. I'd add that on September 25th when Obama addressed the United Nations, he was still talking about the video. Apparently he didn't get "the memo". You are correct- in fact, I think he mentioned it six times in his speech to the UN.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 18, 2012 17:53:00 GMT -5
I really liked when he declared that it depended on what the meaning of the word is is. I believe that is the greatest example of parcing that I have ever seen, or ever will. I mean, you have to have a set to say something like that with a straight face. Well, I know a woman who is a Seventh Day Adventist, which prohibits sex before marriage. She and her boyfriend engage in anal sex, oral sex, you name it; everything except coitus. They insist they're not having sex. As far as I'm concerned, it's not exactly keeping to the spirit of church doctrine, but whatever floats your boat. I think it's ridiculous. So, after they're married if one or the other of them do what they are doing now, it would not be considered adultery by the other? What I find disturbing is that they discuss the details of their not-really-having-sex life with others.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 18, 2012 17:58:28 GMT -5
My suspicion is that Benghazi is going to unravel on Obama sooner rather than later. People that blame others eventually blame each other. I don't have much use for the modern day Democratic Party, but even I refuse to believe that there isn't a single person of conscience in the whole outfit who knows something and will share it because doing right by the families that lost loved ones in this failure will strike them as more important than "the cause" of liberalism, or maybe because they'll conclude that it would actually HELP the cause to throw Obama under the bus and tell the truth.
My suspicion is that many in the Obama regime will be motivated in the coming week or two to speak out as it becomes clearer to them that Obama has no shot at re-election.
The more it looks like defeat is inevitable anyway, the more likely people will be to jump ship.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 18:16:37 GMT -5
I don't think the Obama administration's response to the attacks in Benghazi carry as much weight with the average American voter as you think they do. I suspect most people think it was a tragedy, think that while there may have been ways to prevent it but recognize that intelligence isn't perfect, and really don't give two farts what Obama says in the Rose Garden ever.
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Post by cereb on Oct 18, 2012 18:23:18 GMT -5
My suspicion is that Benghazi is going to unravel on Obama sooner rather than later. People that blame others eventually blame each other. I don't have much use for the modern day Democratic Party, but even I refuse to believe that there isn't a single person of conscience in the whole outfit who knows something and will share it because doing right by the families that lost loved ones in this failure will strike them as more important than "the cause" of liberalism, or maybe because they'll conclude that it would actually HELP the cause to throw Obama under the bus and tell the truth. My suspicion is that many in the Obama regime will be motivated in the coming week or two to speak out as it becomes clearer to them that Obama has no shot at re-election. The more it looks like defeat is inevitable anyway, the more likely people will be to jump ship. You have no idea how much some of us are enjoying your posts. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by zipity on Oct 18, 2012 21:45:58 GMT -5
Yup, the truth is usually enough. By the way, the rest of your response had nothing to do with what I posted. If Mitt and his entire team is too stupid to read then he deserved what Crowley handed him. Obama's statement in the Rose garden had been floating around on the internet for at least a day before Mitt opened his mouth. Personally I think it's pretty insulting to every American to suggest that the first thought of the president when hearing that 4 Americans died was about how it would effect him politically. That's right up there with suggesting that Bush might have been excited on 9/11 because the terror attacks might result in a boost of his approval ratings. Such a response to this incident is pretty sick. Don't you remember when Clinton looked into the camera and adamantly declared, "I did not have sex with that woman."? Politicians will say and do almost anything when they feel their political careers are in danger and their backs are against the wall. And they're stupid enough to believe that the truth will not come out, as was the case with Clinton when questioned under oath about Monica Lewinsky. More and more information is coming out about the incident as each day passes and it is becoming more and more clear that Obama already knew that there was no spontaneous mob protest when Rice appeared on the Sunday talk show circuit, when Hillary Clinton appeared on television in the Middle East to decry "the video" to the Muslim people, and when Obama himself repeated the "story" in his speech to the United Nations on September 25th. Fortunately, security cameras at the consulate don't lie. Interestingly enough, over all those days when Obama or anyone from his administration spoke, they did not describe the incident as a terrorist attack or an act of terror. Rice even excluded the possibility of it being a preplanned attack when she appeared over and over and over again on ALL of the Sunday political shows. Last night Obama sternly stated, "The suggestion that anybody in my team, the Secretary of State, our UN Ambassador, anybody on my team, would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, Governor, is offensive; that's not what we do. That's not what I do as President; that's not what I do as Commander and Chief." All I can say is, "Me thinks thou doth protest too much, Mr. President." Again nothing to do with the fact that the denial of security referred to 1-2 security agents. Obama's Rose Garden transcript is available, the fact that Fox actually posted the quote in context in an attempt to say it was taken out of context should tell you something. As for the rest of the administration, it was under investigation, what they knew doesn't matter, that they should be talking about an active investigation does.
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Post by zipity on Oct 18, 2012 21:57:41 GMT -5
But they did die in Benghazi because Obama's regime denied requested security,
Right, 2 extra security agents would have changed the outcome. If they embassy knew they were in such danger why didn't they go on record and ask for a Marine detachment?
Obama did say the words "acts of terror" but he was not referring to the attacks that killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens.
The transcript certainly reads like he was talking about the events in Libya but conservatives must know better.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 18, 2012 22:00:26 GMT -5
But they did die in Benghazi because Obama's regime denied requested security, Right, 2 extra security agents would have changed the outcome. If they embassy knew they were in such danger why didn't they go on record and ask for a Marine detachment? Obama did say the words "acts of terror" but he was not referring to the attacks that killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens.The transcript certainly reads like he was talking about the events in Libya but conservatives must know better. that is because Republicans are clairvoyant. i know because i am one.
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Post by zipity on Oct 18, 2012 22:06:07 GMT -5
Excellent timeline. I'd add that on September 25th when Obama addressed the United Nations, he was still talking about the video. Apparently he didn't get "the memo".
Excellent timeline except you forgot his September 12th speech where he said:
"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
Other than that you forgot that the incident was under investigation but your timeline's only missing those 2 little points.
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Post by resolution on Oct 18, 2012 22:07:47 GMT -5
I don't think the Obama administration's response to the attacks in Benghazi carry as much weight with the average American voter as you think they do. I suspect most people think it was a tragedy, think that while there may have been ways to prevent it but recognize that intelligence isn't perfect, and really don't give two farts what Obama says in the Rose Garden ever. I completely agree with this. I tried to discuss this issue with my husband and with a couple friends and none of them cared or had any opinion about it. I think most non-political people are just burned out on the middle east.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 18, 2012 22:19:42 GMT -5
I don't think the Obama administration's response to the attacks in Benghazi carry as much weight with the average American voter as you think they do. I suspect most people think it was a tragedy, think that while there may have been ways to prevent it but recognize that intelligence isn't perfect, and really don't give two farts what Obama says in the Rose Garden ever. I completely agree with this. I tried to discuss this issue with my husband and with a couple friends and none of them cared or had any opinion about it. I think most non-political people are just burned out on the middle east. Hey, if I want to know what you think, I'll just ask PBP. No need to post at all. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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