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Post by Value Buy on Oct 21, 2012 10:36:42 GMT -5
So, don't beleive it.... As you tell others here, I am not doing your homework for you. Prove me wrong, please.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 21, 2012 10:39:25 GMT -5
Heck, CNN is currently discussing the implosion of the Obama campaign.......
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Post by cereb on Oct 21, 2012 10:40:41 GMT -5
So, don't beleive it.... As you tell others here, I am not doing your homework for you. Prove me wrong, please. You made the assertion, it's up to you to post a link in your OP. As far as Andrea Mitchell, she's a reporter. So she said something. So what.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 21, 2012 10:48:37 GMT -5
So, don't beleive it.... As you tell others here, I am not doing your homework for you. Prove me wrong, please. I back up threads I start and posts I make when it's stated as facts with a link. You don't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 10:48:37 GMT -5
To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck the United States Mission without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video. That is what the fighters said at the time, speaking emotionally of their anger at the video without mentioning Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or the terrorist strikes of 11 years earlier. And it is an explanation that tracks with their history as members of a local militant group determined to protect Libya from Western influence. “It was the Ansar al-Shariah people,” said Mohamed Bishari, 20, a neighbor of the compound who watched the assault and described the brigade he saw leading the attack. “There was no protest or anything of that sort.” United States intelligence agencies have reserved final judgment pending a full investigation, leaving open the possibility that anger at the video might have provided an opportunity for militants who already harbored anti-American feelings. But so far the intelligence assessments appear to square largely with local accounts. Whether the attackers are labeled “Al Qaeda cells” or “aligned with Al Qaeda,” as Republicans have suggested, depends on whether that label can be used as a generic term for a broad spectrum of Islamist militants, encompassing groups like Ansar al-Shariah whose goals were primarily local, as well as those who aspire to join a broader jihad against the West. www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html?ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=all&_r=1&
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 10:49:41 GMT -5
“Talking points” prepared by the CIA on Sept. 15, the same day that Rice taped three television appearances, support her description of the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate as a reaction to Arab anger about an anti-Muslim video prepared in the United States. According to the CIA account, “The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.” The CIA document went on: “This assessment may change as additional information is collected and analyzed and as currently available information continues to be evaluated.” This may sound like self-protective boilerplate, but it reflects the analysts’ genuine problem interpreting fragments of intercepted conversation, video surveillance and source reports. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 10:50:27 GMT -5
That's what I got from the Sunday morning shows so far...
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 21, 2012 11:10:04 GMT -5
Heading into Monday's final debate and with just over two weeks until Election Day, President Barack Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney are now tied nationally, according the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
Obama and Romney both get 47 percent among likely voters in the latest edition of the poll, conducted entirely in the aftermath of the second presidential debate last Monday. In the last national NBC/WSJ poll, which was conducted before debate season began, the president held a narrow, three-point lead over his GOP challenger, 49 percent to 46 percent.
But among the wider pool of all registered voters in this new survey, Obama is ahead of Romney by five points, 49 percent to 44 percent
And around we go.
I think WI is safe for Obama forget the Walker recall- not relevant.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 21, 2012 11:15:30 GMT -5
There's already an "It's Over" thread, even if the title of it does keep morphing. We don't need another thread to discuss the same thing, Value Buy. I'm merging this thread into paul's older thread on why "it's over".
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2012 11:20:12 GMT -5
Heck, CNN is currently discussing the implosion of the Obama campaign....... well, then they are really dumb, because there is no implosion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2012 11:21:22 GMT -5
So, don't beleive it.... As you tell others here, I am not doing your homework for you. Prove me wrong, please. what proof would you like?
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 21, 2012 11:29:47 GMT -5
Interestingly, there's nothing on CNN that I can see about Obama's campaign imploding.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2012 11:44:40 GMT -5
Interestingly, there's nothing on CNN that I can see about Obama's campaign imploding. not surprising, given that he is not imploding. it would be a pretty dumb thing to say, unless you are on FOX or something.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 21, 2012 14:00:23 GMT -5
Well, dj- if you have to clarify that your campaign is not imploding for the unbiased professional news hounds at CNN...your campaign is imploding.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2012 14:13:32 GMT -5
Well, dj- if you have to clarify that your campaign is not imploding for the unbiased professional news hounds at CNN...your campaign is imploding. who "clarified" that?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 21, 2012 14:25:25 GMT -5
The fact that they aren't saying it isn't imploding is proof that it is imploding.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2012 14:32:13 GMT -5
The fact that they aren't saying it isn't imploding is proof that it is imploding. of course not. this is the worst sort of logic imaginable. incidentally, IBD just posted a poll that shows Obama +6%. that is a 12 point swing in his favor in 2 weeks. i think that result is totally bogus, but it competes nicely with Gallup's totally bogus poll. i didn't know this, but Gallup tracking has a really bad record, apparently. in 2000, for example, they showed Bush up 12% -vs- Gore with 2 weeks to go. ok, i have to go. i can't swat flies all day. i have a rehearsal. ta ta.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 21, 2012 15:58:05 GMT -5
So much for the swing in the polls back to Barry. So much for the "tightening" of the race. Romney is running away with it. 2008 at this time- on this day, in fact, Obama led by 50.6% and he would eventually surge to 55% mostly because independents broke in large numbers for Obama. Guess who is leading with independent voters today? Right.
And this just in- super secret friend/acquaintance in the Romney camp update- they're pulling staff from Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina where they feel they have a comfortable lead and putting them into Ohio and Pennsylvania where the margins are razor thin.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 21, 2012 16:02:05 GMT -5
The fact that they aren't saying it isn't imploding is proof that it is imploding. You didn't read my response right. I said the fact that they have to deny reports that they're imploding is a pretty clear indication that they're in big trouble. Confident campaigns with a clear lead in critical states do not lend themselves to supporter's speculations about 'imploding' and that's where these reports have come from- within the Obama camp. This is a regime in collapse, a campaign in free-fall.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 21, 2012 16:14:22 GMT -5
Interestingly, there's nothing on CNN that I can see about Obama's campaign imploding.(emphasis added) not surprising, given that he is not imploding. it would be a pretty dumb thing to say, unless you are on FOX or something. Well, dj- if you have to clarify that your campaign is not imploding for the unbiased professional news hounds at CNN...your campaign is imploding. The fact that they aren't saying it isn't imploding is proof that it is imploding. You didn't read my response right. I said the fact that they have to deny reports that they're imploding is a pretty clear indication that they're in big trouble. ... I have to question who is not reading responses correctly. Now if you can provide some link to support your statement that the Obama campaign has addressed the idea that it is imploding to CNN, I will withdraw my comment.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 21, 2012 16:29:36 GMT -5
I never made that claim. That denial came from another poster.
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Post by mwcpa on Oct 21, 2012 16:31:02 GMT -5
I saw something funny on snl related to the Gallup poll...
Something to the effect that they have proved that they are the only group to have people answer their calls..... "Unknown caller".....
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 21, 2012 16:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 21, 2012 16:49:57 GMT -5
I never made that claim. That denial came from another poster. Where? I can't find it.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 21, 2012 17:43:58 GMT -5
The fact that they aren't saying it isn't imploding is proof that it is imploding. You didn't read my response right. I said the fact that they have to deny reports that they're imploding is a pretty clear indication that they're in big trouble. Confident campaigns with a clear lead in critical states do not lend themselves to supporter's speculations about 'imploding' and that's where these reports have come from- within the Obama camp. This is a regime in collapse, a campaign in free-fall. Umm, no. "These reports" came from Value Buy, who said CNN was reporting the implosion of the Obama campaign. I've seen nothing of that sort on CNN. Have you? If you have, please link us. I haven't seen anything on CNN about either campaign imploding.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 21, 2012 17:45:08 GMT -5
I never made that claim. That denial came from another poster. Where? I can't find it. Sometimes, it appears the twisting gets things into such a tight wad all logic just disappears. It's sorta like the black hole of logic.
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Post by Opti on Oct 21, 2012 18:15:23 GMT -5
Because its not like a Republican pollster guy would like want to mislead us or anything... I see Bills beat me to it, but I found some reviews on a book Luntz wrote on Amazon. Lots of people did like it, but I liked this review: After repeating his mantra—"it's not what you say, it's what people hear"—so often in this book, you'd think that Republican pollster Luntz would have taken his own advice to heart. Yet in spite of an opening anecdote that superficially attempts a balanced tone, the book as a whole truly reads more like a manual for right-wing positioning. Even in the sections where he is less partisan, Luntz's advice is not particularly insightful. For instance, his first chapter, on "Ten Rules of Effective Language," starts by instructing readers to use small words and short sentences in their communications. The least effective section in the book is the chapter on "Personal Language for Personal Scenarios," where Luntz advocates manipulative strategies for getting out of traffic tickets, boarding airplanes at the last minute and apologizing to one's wife with the "miracle elixir" of flowers.
He also reminds me of PBP except he has brown hair.
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