America was attacked again on 9-11

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2012 10:45:42 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Isolated incident........
UNBELIEVABLE

if you are a Romney fan, you better hope it is. because if this is part of the global war on terror, Obama has the advantage. if this is an isolated f(*kup, it will hurt Obama.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2012 11:26:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 13, 2012 11:21:32 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Should President Obama have laughed during the press conference? Cried? Thrown his shoes at the cameras and Press?

I prefer our presidents to be stoic during times of major and minor crises. President Obama delivered his statement in a stoic manner.

Stoic? The man was at a loss for words.
The best he could do was put his hand around Hillary's back, and walk off into the sunset with head down.
Of course later he had a teleprompter, he did better with Telemundo, and Sixty Minutes where he attacked Romney rather than the actual problem,
then it was off to Vegas, baby, and money money money!

Reagan typically used Teleprompters, as well, but i have never heard anyone hammer him over it.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2012 11:26:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 13, 2012 11:21:32 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Should President Obama have laughed during the press conference? Cried? Thrown his shoes at the cameras and Press?

I prefer our presidents to be stoic during times of major and minor crises. President Obama delivered his statement in a stoic manner.

Stoic? The man was at a loss for words.
The best he could do was put his hand around Hillary's back, and walk off into the sunset with head down.
Of course later he had a teleprompter, he did better with Telemundo, and Sixty Minutes where he attacked Romney rather than the actual problem,
then it was off to Vegas, baby, and money money money!

First it was no emotion. Now it's a loss for words.

Would you please make up your mind.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2012 11:48:25 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 13, 2012 11:26:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Stoic? The man was at a loss for words.
The best he could do was put his hand around Hillary's back, and walk off into the sunset with head down.
Of course later he had a teleprompter, he did better with Telemundo, and Sixty Minutes where he attacked Romney rather than the actual problem,
then it was off to Vegas, baby, and money money money!

First it was no emotion. Now it's a loss for words.

Would you please make up your mind.

we need an actor for president. is Heston still available?

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2012 11:45:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 13, 2012 11:26:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Stoic? The man was at a loss for words.
The best he could do was put his hand around Hillary's back, and walk off into the sunset with head down.
Of course later he had a teleprompter, he did better with Telemundo, and Sixty Minutes where he attacked Romney rather than the actual problem,
then it was off to Vegas, baby, and money money money!

Reagan typically used Teleprompters, as well, but i have never heard anyone hammer him over it.

Hell. Everyone who spoke at the Republican and Democratic conventions used teleprompters.

[TonyTiger]

Sept 13, 2012 10:17:00 GMT -5 usaone said:

Sept 13, 2012 10:09:30 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Whoops... forgive me, but... just what is it, that you perceive to be an 'isolated incident'? I'd really like to be clear about that.

The attack on our Embassy. Are we going to see more attacks this week??? Very doubtful.

Dear Colleague...

Yes, that is what I thought you meant, but I wanted to be clear...

We have seen three (3) so far, this week...

Egypt, Libya and Yemen...

Three...

All in different countries...

You may wish to revisit the label you chose for this...

It has been my experience that the 'Most Peaceful Folk' will use the gentlest and least confrontational descriptors possible, long after it becomes clear to the rest of the herd, that such descriptors are no longer appropriate to the realities at-hand...

I find myself wondering whether that is what is at-work here, but it would be presumptuous of me to write it off as such automatically...

If, upon reconsideration, you feel obliged to continue to hold to this 'isolated incident' label, then...

I feel obliged to take my stand in the opposite camp...

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2012 11:49:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 13, 2012 11:48:25 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

First it was no emotion. Now it's a loss for words.

Would you please make up your mind.

we need an actor for president. is Heston still available?

I think Heston's cold, dead hands are now way beyond cold at this time.

Roseanne Barr though is running for president.

[TonyTiger]

Sept 13, 2012 11:49:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

"...we need an actor for president."

I read that Pee-Wee Herman is looking for a gig... ;D

[cme1201]

Sept 13, 2012 11:59:22 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Sept 13, 2012 11:49:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

"...we need an actor for president."

I read that Pee-Wee Herman is looking for a gig... ;D

As long as all his Addresses are done as Hamburger Lizard from Chech and Chong's Nice Dreams then I could consider voting for him!

HAMMMBUGGGAAAAA

[deziloooooo]

Sept 13, 2012 11:51:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 13, 2012 11:45:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Reagan typically used Teleprompters, as well, but i have never heard anyone hammer him over it.

Hell. Everyone who spoke at the Republican and Democratic conventions used teleprompters.

I thought that I read Clinton went off speech at times ..just winged it at times..reason it ran so long..thouh except for a short moment where my mind wandered..he is just a great speaker...his winging it beats all the prepared ones by a mile...For the few who can remember..Kennedy too did a great speech too..many looked forward to his news conferences..

[deziloooooo]

Sept 13, 2012 12:24:22 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Among the dead were two US Marines and ten Libyan security officials, who died fighting the attackers.

I posted this earlier today after reading it in a news flash. However it seems that it is still not clear who the two dead Americans were, as I have just read a report that the two men were supposedly NOT Marines. I guess we'll have to wait for the truth.

Apologies for any misconceptions.

It seems that there is a discrepancy in how Ambassador died with the latest report and Debkas article...also where he was killed..in a car trying to escape with security people or in the consulate itself..

[Value Buy]

Sept 13, 2012 13:12:58 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Yes dezi, I've read of a couple of different reasons for his demise; suffocation, gunshot. Don't know for sure yet.

Dead is dead.
The reason is obvious.
Libya was not a "demonstration".
It was an attack with assassination as it's goal.
I still find it strange that even Stevens would find it "safe" to be at an unguarded Consulate on 9-11.

I am now wondering if some kind of meeting(s) were being conducted where secrecy was important and something went seriously wrong.
Maybe just over thinking the situation?

[TonyTiger]

Well, according to at least one news-text that I read online yesterday (I suppose I can go hunting for it, if need be) the Ambassador was holed-up in some building or another - put there by some of the ground-staff - and one or more Libyan Officials pointed him (his hiding-place) out to the mob. I wonder if that's true? If so, it begins to change the game-rules a bit...

[TonyTiger]

BENGHAZI, LIBYA - CONSULATE ATTACK - TIMELINE - BBC:

Investigators are trying to piece together exactly what happened at Tuesday's US consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi.

They are trying to establish whether the assault was a planned attack, or a spontaneous one.

Here is the timeline of events that US officials believe led to the death of US ambassador Christopher Stevens and several others.

10pm: Attackers open fire at the consulate, which has a main building and a smaller annex.

10.15pm: The assailants gain entry to the complex and the main building is engulfed in flames.

Many of those trapped inside escape but Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith and a regional security guard remain.

The security guard manages to escape and returns shortly afterwards with others to try to rescue Mr Stevens and Mr Smith.

They find Mr Smith dead and pulled him from the building, but no sign of Mr Stevens. They are driven from the building by thick black smoke, fire and gunfire.

10.45pm: Security staff try to retake the main building but come under heavy fire and retreat.

11.20pm: A second attempt to retake the main building is successful. Fighting moves to the annex.

Midnight: Fighting at the annex - reported to last about two hours - results in the deaths of two Americans who have yet to be named by US authorities.

1.15am: Mr Stevens arrives at a nearby hospital - it is not known who took him. A doctor there has told the BBC that he spent an hour trying to revive him, but that Mr Stevens died from smoke inhalation.

2.30am: Security forces regain control of the annex.

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BBC World News - 13 September 2012 Last updated at 07:21 ET

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19587068

[Value Buy]

Sept 13, 2012 14:55:37 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

We just don't know.

I did just read that the Libyan authorities arrested four of the ba$tards today. If true that is good news for a couple of important reasons.

Hopefully, they just weren't the first four homeless people (or rival tribe members) they found down the street. We must assume they were not leaders of the attack, in any event, unless they broke some serious religious laws and went on a celebrity drinking binge after the attack.......

[TonyTiger]

Joint Chiefs chairman urges pastor to withdraw support of anti-Islam film

FoxNews.com - Published September 12, 2012

The top U.S. military official has asked a Florida pastor to pull his support of an anti-Islam film that may have played a role in inciting protesters who attacked U.S. diplomatic posts in Libya and Egypt.

Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke with Terry Jones by phone Wednesday morning to voice his concerns.

"In the brief call, Gen Dempsey expressed his concerns over the nature of the film, the tensions it will inflame and the violence it will cause. He asked Mr. Jones to consider withdrawing his support for the film," Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said.

...

Jones has caused Pentagon concern before, when he threatened to burn Korans. He eventually called off the demonstration.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/joint-chiefs-chairman-urges-pastor-to-withdraw-support-anti-islam-film/[/url][/color]

[Value Buy]

And why would the Pentagon be involved in an American free speech issue?
This is officially scary.

[sgtjer]

worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/12/13824981-questions-swirl-around-anti-islam-film-blamed-for-egypt-protest-attack-in-libya?lite

Here's another version of the same story, regarding the movie and it's supporters.

[billisonboard]

Sept 13, 2012 15:29:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And why would the Pentagon be involved in an American free speech issue?
This is officially scary.

A senior officer looking out for his troops by asking someone to restrain themselves?

[djAdvocate]

ok, this story has several dimensions of weird.

[sgtjer]

... and points to questionable motives for the airing and translation of the movie into Arabic .....

[TonyTiger]

Sept 13, 2012 15:29:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And why would the Pentagon be involved in an American free speech issue? This is officially scary.

I thought that a few folks might raise an eyebrow at that one...

[Deleted]

Fire!

[Tennesseer]

As in a movie theater?

[Spellbound454]

... and points to questionable motives for the airing and translation of the movie into Arabic .....

There are rumours that the filmaker was an Egyptian coptic Christian.
He isn't Jewish either and was working under a pseudonym.
From Al Jazeera.

Nine Coptic Egyptian-Americans were also put on an airport watch list. They are believed to have contributed to the production of the anti-Islam film that led to the embassy protest.

Looks like they got exactly the reaction they wanted.

Its an anti Islamic film designed to incite hatred.

Fortunately it seems that the orchestrators of the riots are not the majority of people but the extremists that were nowhere near success in the recent election.
...and the rest of the mob are just jumping on the bandwagon.

Its an overblown reaction
No different to kids insulting each others mothers and using it as an excuse to punch each other.

There is a bit of political manouvering at play here....both from the film makers and those who are orchestrating the riots and trying to make headway by acting all morally wounded.
Others seem to be caught in the middle.....and the US is making a good object of hate to focus on.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2012 16:36:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

As in a movie theater?

that is certainly how i took it.

[billisonboard]

Musical interlude time

[Spellbound454]

US law enforcement official says a man named Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is behind the anti-Muslim film being blamed for mob attacks on US missions in Egypt, Libya and Yemen.

A man who calls himself Sam Bacile has said he created the film, but The Associated Press on Wednesday connected Nakoula to the Bacile persona.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation.

In an AP interview, Nakoula says he managed logistics for the company that produced the film, which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad. He denies that he was Bacile.

The movie is implicated in inflaming mobs that attacked US compounds in Egypt, Libya and Yemen. The US ambassador to Libya and three other Americans were killed.

[Source: AP]

Looks like there is some sort of manipulation going on.

[Tennesseer]

While there is no excuse for the violence perpetrated against our embassies and/or consulates, and if it's proven the original film never mentioned Mohammed or Islam and that he later dubbed into the film negative dialogue about Mohammed and/or Islam, should Sam Bassiel, aka Sam Bassil , Sam Bacile, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula or who ever he is somehow be held criminally or civilly responsible for inciting riots? I believe he got the reaction he was hoping for.

Is what he did, if proven, similar to yelling fire in a movie theater?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2012 18:09:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

While there is no excuse for the violence perpetrated against our embassies and/or consulates, and if it's proven the original film never mentioned Mohammed or Islam and that he later dubbed into the film negative dialogue about Mohammed and/or Islam, should Sam Bassiel, aka Sam Bassil , Sam Bacile, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula or who ever he is somehow be held criminally or civilly responsible for inciting riots? I believe he got the reaction he was hoping for.

Is what he did, if proven, similar to yelling fire in a movie theater?

nope. you can't incite a riot with entertainment, and that is precisely what a movie is. when you yell FIRE in a theatre, you are not giving people a choice of whether to indulge in the incitement. entertainment is totally different.

a review of War of the Worlds would be helpful, here.
should Orson Wells have been held criminally liable for the suicides?