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Post by midjd on Aug 22, 2012 13:36:23 GMT -5
Are you being deliberately obtuse? (Stupid question).
In many parts of the country, including Texas, there IS no "someplace else." So by removing this funding, you are IN EFFECT making abortions illegal.
Try to keep up.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 22, 2012 13:36:43 GMT -5
What the heck is wrong with root canals?!?! Do we want everyone toothless? Haven't you heard? Root canals are bad because then you have a "dead" tooth in your mouth. And having something dead in your body is very, very bad. (So be sure to rinse with peroxide!) Just add that to the list of things you do that make you a horrible person shoot me now because I have a few dead teeth in my mouth. It does make chewing much easier though. ;D
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 22, 2012 13:36:56 GMT -5
there are only 3 places where you can get an abortion in KY - and none of them are in the city where I live.
Then move.
Isn't that the patented YM approved answer to any issue?
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Post by midjd on Aug 22, 2012 13:40:03 GMT -5
So they don't have to worry about being firebombed or gunned down by right-wing nutjobs?
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 22, 2012 13:40:09 GMT -5
HMMMMm makes you wonder why Why they don't want to be murdered by crazy people? Jinx you own me a coke Mid!
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Post by mollyanna58 on Aug 22, 2012 13:40:26 GMT -5
I believe it must be kept legal and safe for any woman who makes the difficult choice to end a pregnancy.
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Post by midjd on Aug 22, 2012 13:40:35 GMT -5
Beachbum, I like living in your head ;D
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Post by swamp on Aug 22, 2012 13:40:37 GMT -5
HMMMMm makes you wonder why none of the surgeons around here do bariatric procedures either..........
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 22, 2012 13:41:26 GMT -5
Beachbum, I like living in your head ;D Well it is roomy and I always have lots of booze. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 13:41:49 GMT -5
Parasite - An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
Also known as a fetus.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 22, 2012 13:41:57 GMT -5
HMMMMm makes you wonder why none of the surgeons around here do bariatric procedures either.......... None of the local Dr's around here will do stiches either.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 22, 2012 13:42:12 GMT -5
You have to operate under the rules of the instiution you work for. 95% of the hospitals around here are Catholic, even if they wanted to they can't offer abortions. It's getting worse now because they were taken over by a fundamentalist Catholic sect and now gyncologists can't even prescribe birth control if they wish to continue working. They are also not allowed to do hysterectomies or tubal ligation. They took over the clinic I go to, time to find a new one.
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Post by swamp on Aug 22, 2012 13:42:31 GMT -5
Again, makes you wonder why. See above regarding "Not wanting to get gunned down by right wing nut jobs"
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Post by swamp on Aug 22, 2012 13:43:30 GMT -5
none of the surgeons around here do bariatric procedures either.......... Does Planned Parenthood. Try and stay on track here I am on track. I'm pointing out that not all medical providers offer every service.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 13:43:39 GMT -5
You guys are getting way to wrapped around the axle here. The OP is Stating TX can not support planned Parent hood because it provides elective abortions. Its simple go someplace else and get them or PP loses funding. We aren't arguing if abortions should be legal and who gets them. Try and stay on track here. No, that's not what it said. It said that TX can CHOOSE to eliminate Planned Parenthood from state funding for pretty much whatever reason. TX does NOT have to cut the funding.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 22, 2012 13:44:32 GMT -5
Again, makes you wonder why. Not really. Maybe because most places cannot afford to protect the facility from the nutjobs out there that firebomb the clinic or shoot the staff in sight?
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Post by justme on Aug 22, 2012 13:45:55 GMT -5
Is there a place that has the numbers of PP that perfom abortions vs the number of PP clinics that don't? As well as the percent of abortion clinics that are PP by state? Whenever I heard arguement from PP I got the impression that it wasn't that many clinics of theirs that did this, and those that did didn't do that much. From this discussion it seems like PP has their hands in it a lot more than the 1%/3%/whatever would imply. (I guess they're just doing THAT much of other stuff that it dwarfs abortion by comparison even though they're a major provider for it?)
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Post by midjd on Aug 22, 2012 13:51:23 GMT -5
I am on track. I'm pointing out that not all medical providers offer every service. And not every repair shop works on Fiats, whats your point? The "point" was that YOU wanted to know WHY some healthcare providers do not provide abortions. Aside from the safety issues discussed, Swamp's point was that not every healthcare provider provides every service in every area - it's not just limited to abortions.
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Post by midjd on Aug 22, 2012 13:52:06 GMT -5
I like how Rick tries to "keep us on track" whenever someone makes a point for which he doesn't have a logical rebuttal...
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 22, 2012 13:56:38 GMT -5
Is there a place that has the numbers of PP that perfom abortions vs the number of PP clinics that don't? As well as the percent of abortion clinics that are PP by state? Whenever I heard arguement from PP I got the impression that it wasn't that many clinics of theirs that did this, and those that did didn't do that much. From this discussion it seems like PP has their hands in it a lot more than the 1%/3%/whatever would imply. (I guess they're just doing THAT much of other stuff that it dwarfs abortion by comparison even though they're a major provider for it?) It wouldn't make a difference with this discussion though. Texas said they didn't want any funds going to them for any services because PP is providing abortions regardless of if they are very few or even not at the facility a person sees. This isnt an argument about dollars and services. This is a way for crazy people to get PP closed down totally because they don't like them.
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Post by justme on Aug 22, 2012 14:03:07 GMT -5
It was more of an I'm curious slightly OT but not entirely question. The articles I read that had statements/interviews with PP apparently vastly downplayed the role of abortions in their clinics (though that does make sense given the vitrol against it) and made it seem like not that many clinics do offer it. And other articles I've read about the lone abortion clinics in some states weren't PP. So I was just wondering if anyone knew of a place that had those breakdowns since I'm now curious of which way it actually runs since posters here have said differently than what I've gleaned from articles.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 22, 2012 14:08:39 GMT -5
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 22, 2012 14:08:49 GMT -5
Except according to the article you linked:
So while they may be able to stand on their principle, that's not really a more efficient way to spend taxpayer dollars.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 22, 2012 14:10:58 GMT -5
justme, according to the PP wiki
So the 1-3% isn't the percentage of abortions they perform, but rather the percentage of their services that abortions represent.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 22, 2012 14:20:41 GMT -5
"Abbott cheered the appeals court decision, noting that it "rightfully recognized that the taxpayer-funded Women's Health Program is not required to subsidize organizations that advocate for elective abortion.""
Ok Rick here is why we are against this. Fundamentalist organizations have been unable to make abortion illegal. Now they are attempting to make abortions impossible to obtain. They do this by creating regulations that outlaw these facilities in their communities and by attempting to withhold funding from PP because one of the options PP provides is elective abortions. Another way they attempt to make abortions impossible to obtain is by spawning whack jobs who think blowing up a clinic or killing a doctor is a good, God fearing way to stop abortions.
Texas is trying to make it impossible to get an abortion in Texas, because a minority of Texans thinks all abortions, for any reason, are immoral, and they want to impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us. Right now, you may think abortions are immoral, but they are not ILLEGAL, and PP should not be prevented from offering them, along with all their other services, to the women of Texas.
This minority of fundamentalists are the same people who managed to get an anti-abortion plank in the republican platform, even though more than 60% of Republicans think women should be able to have an abortion in the case of rape or incest.
We tried this once before in this country. We outlawed alcohol because a minority of the population had the belief that if alcohol was illegal, no one would drink anymore. You saw how successful that was. If abortion is outlawed (and making sure there are no longer any clinics that perform abortions = outlawing abortion) there will still be abortions.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 22, 2012 14:31:45 GMT -5
So they don't have to worry about being firebombed or gunned down by right-wing nutjobs? Exactly what I was thinking. My Dr. is pro-choice. I never asked her if she does abortions. For those questioning if pro-choice people will try to shut down access to birth control - you better believe it. The Catholic Church has already come out strongly against birth control. Imo, since something like 90% of US catholics were ignoring the Church's teaching on BC, they came up with a way to limit access. Removing public funding for BC and saying forcing them to use taxpayer $ to support use of BC a violation of their religious freedom is all about cementing their power. Forcing Women to have babies they don't want is more important than making sure poor people have access to food and medical care - hence their crackdown on the Nuns. I don't think anyone has the right to tell anyone else they have to have a baby. If you are going to go down that road, you wallet better be open. Nuff said.
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Post by justme on Aug 22, 2012 14:38:24 GMT -5
justme, according to the PP wiki So the 1-3% isn't the percentage of abortions they perform, but rather the percentage of their services that abortions represent. I know, I stated that percent a couple of times.
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 22, 2012 15:18:09 GMT -5
Rick: I STILL don't understand how you define "elective." The reality remains should it ever happen in Texas (or anywhere else) that abortion becomes restricted to "medical necessity," all of the sudden EVERY abortion will become "medically necessary." Trust me - it will happen, and you (the "big you" who are trying to overturn Roe v. Wade) will have accomplished . . . wait for it . . . nothing.
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Post by midjd on Aug 22, 2012 15:31:36 GMT -5
And taxpayers will still be paying for it!
What good did Texas do, again?
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Post by mollyanna58 on Aug 22, 2012 18:18:08 GMT -5
I like how Rick tries to "keep us on track" whenever someone makes a point for which he doesn't have a logical rebuttal... You are wrong again. The point you folks have make has been repeated many times so there is no point in continuing that argument. My point of this thread was to say thank you to a State that's willing to stand up and fight for what it believes is a more efficient way to spend its dollars I'm looking forward to more threads from you highlighting government fiscal prudence.
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