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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:18:29 GMT -5
I don't agree with the "there is no medical reason" rationale against circumcision, but whatever. I did it for my son, I will do it for any subsequent sons, and I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone has to say about it.
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Post by swamp on Aug 15, 2012 10:19:50 GMT -5
I don't agree with the "there is no medical reason" rationale against circumcision, but whatever. I did it for my son, I will do it for any subsequent sons, and I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone has to say about it. DS is circumsized too. I let DH make the decision. I didn't really think I had a pony in that race.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:20:04 GMT -5
I don't agree with the "there is no medical reason" rationale against circumcision, but whatever. I did it for my son, I will do it for any subsequent sons, and I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone has to say about it. If you had the doc add wings to your son's penis while he was getting circumcised, he really could have a flying FUCK.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:20:29 GMT -5
I don't agree with the "there is no medical reason" rationale against circumcision, but whatever. I did it for my son, I will do it for any subsequent sons, and I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone has to say about it. Exactly! You can do what works for you and your family and others are free to do what works for them and theirs. But that's not gonna keep me entertained for another 4 hours, now is it?
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Post by midjd on Aug 15, 2012 10:20:55 GMT -5
I don't agree with the "there is no medical reason" rationale against circumcision, but whatever. I did it for my son, I will do it for any subsequent sons, and I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone has to say about it. And that is your right. Not everyone feels the same. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed on everything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:21:10 GMT -5
I don't agree with the "there is no medical reason" rationale against circumcision, but whatever. I did it for my son, I will do it for any subsequent sons, and I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone has to say about it. DS is circumsized too. I let DH make the decision. I didn't really think I had a pony in that race. well yeah, I deferred to DH on that one - no question. But he is circumsized and has been clear about wanting it for his sons.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 15, 2012 10:21:59 GMT -5
Comparable =/ identical or even necessarily similar.
I get that, I totally acknowledge that, and yet I still disagree with you that they are comparable. Here are the things they have in common:
1. They involve removing a piece of a child's genitals. 2. No one gets the child's consent.
Seriously, the list ends there and I don't think that's enough of a list to make two things "comparable."
You can disagree - obviously you do, obviously Dark does - but me disagreeing with you on this point does not mean that I don't think there's anything wrong with male circumcision. I just don't agree that one has anything to do with the other. I do not need to agree with you on that to concede the point that comparable =/= identical. I get that, okay? And in my book they're not even comparable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:22:14 GMT -5
I don't know what I would have done if we had/have a son... so far I am glad I have not had to make that decision.
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 15, 2012 10:22:35 GMT -5
I don't agree with the "there is no medical reason" rationale against circumcision, but whatever. I did it for my son, I will do it for any subsequent sons, and I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone has to say about it. DS is circumsized too. I let DH make the decision. I didn't really think I had a pony in that race. OOOhhhhh!!! Flying Ponies!! FUN!!
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 15, 2012 10:23:40 GMT -5
I don't think that anyone on here is saying that parents who circumcise are crappy abusive parents. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the practice, and there shouldn't be anything wrong with voicing the opposite opinion and giving new parents something to consider when they are faced with the question.
Many parents spank their kids, and they still turn out fine (myself included), but I don't agree with the practice so I don't use it on MY child.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:24:14 GMT -5
Mid, it's that people tend to not let others agree to disagree. It becomes a situation where people are trying to persuade people who don't want to be persuaded to change their minds. It happens on here... a LOT. As I don't care what people think about what I do, as long as no one is in danger I don't care about what others do.
This is coming off of a "mommy war"-type post on FB last night that irritated me, so sorry if I seem sensitive to this.
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 15, 2012 10:24:19 GMT -5
I don't agree with the "there is no medical reason" rationale against circumcision, but whatever. I did it for my son, I will do it for any subsequent sons, and I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone has to say about it. Exactly! You can do what works for you and your family and others are free to do what works for them and theirs. But that's not gonna keep me entertained for another 4 hours, now is it? so you want to be entertained, ay?? <<starts to dance>>
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 15, 2012 10:25:17 GMT -5
Mid, it's that people tend to not let others agree to disagree. It becomes a situation where people are trying to persuade people who don't want to be persuaded to change their minds. It happens on here... a LOT. As I don't care what people think about what I do, as long as no one is in danger I don't care about what others do. . it does?? I've never noticed..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:26:43 GMT -5
Mid, it's that people tend to not let others agree to disagree. It would get pretty quiet around here everyone just agreed to disagree. Every thread would be like the daily thread from the relationship boards. Good morning! Hi! How's the weather!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:27:53 GMT -5
that's what conversing about wine and shoes is for. oh, and who we've cheated with that day... THANKS LOONY!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:28:57 GMT -5
Mid, it's that people tend to not let others agree to disagree. It becomes a situation where people are trying to persuade people who don't want to be persuaded to change their minds. It happens on here... a LOT. As I don't care what people think about what I do, as long as no one is in danger I don't care about what others do. This is coming off of a "mommy war"-type post on FB last night that irritated me, so sorry if I seem sensitive to this. I don't know if it's so much that people are trying to persuade other people to change their minds, but more that they are trying to get people to think about something or do more research or whatever.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 15, 2012 10:32:19 GMT -5
Actually, it's irritating to listen to people spout off that circumcision is the same for boys as it is for girls and all other kinds of FACTS that have no basis. If you want to do it to your son, so be it. If you don't, so be it. But you aren't some super liberal great parent because you do or don't. Gag.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 15, 2012 10:32:27 GMT -5
I don't agree with the "there is no medical reason" rationale against circumcision, but whatever. I did it for my son, I will do it for any subsequent sons, and I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone has to say about it. And that is your right. Not everyone feels the same. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed on everything. AND THIS IS WHY I SAY THEY ARE NOT COMPARABLE. Replace "son" with "daughter" in the above post and most of us are picking up the phone to call CPS. But she's talking about circumcising her son, her boy baby. And while you might disagree with that choice, she is NOT talking about brutalizing him and causing him horrifying pain and multiple infections not just once but for years and years to come, she's not totally ruining his chance at a healthy or trauma-free sex life when he becomes an adult. So, the two things are apples and oranges at BEST (I'd argue they're more like apples and bread).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 15, 2012 10:33:57 GMT -5
But you aren't some super liberal great parent because you do or don't.
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Post by swamp on Aug 15, 2012 10:33:58 GMT -5
that's what conversing about wine and shoes is for. oh, and who we've cheated with that day... THANKS LOONY! I have not yet cheated today. I need to get out of my office.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 15, 2012 10:35:33 GMT -5
I don't think that anyone on here is saying that parents who circumcise are crappy abusive parents. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the practice, and there shouldn't be anything wrong with voicing the opposite opinion and giving new parents something to consider when they are faced with the question. Many parents spank their kids, and they still turn out fine (myself included), but I don't agree with the practice so I don't use it on MY child. I know, but I'm trying to point out how insane it is to say that a choice a legitimately good parent might make for their kid is "comparable" to an exceedingly brutal choice a parent might make for their kid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:35:37 GMT -5
thanks FB. I thought it was common knowledge that FGM was done to inhibit female sexual pleasure and libido as a means to make them more docile and subservient....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 10:36:20 GMT -5
But you aren't some super liberal great parent because you do or don't. YES!!!!!!!
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Post by Firebird on Aug 15, 2012 10:37:24 GMT -5
Mid, it's that people tend to not let others agree to disagree.
Word. That's why Dark's strawman post pissed me off so much. We can disagree that the practices are comparable without him implying that I'm afraid to ever say anything bad happens to male children. It's not a fair leap to make.
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Post by swamp on Aug 15, 2012 10:38:23 GMT -5
Mid, it's that people tend to not let others agree to disagree.Word. That's why Dark's strawman post pissed me off so much. We can disagree that the practices are comparable without him implying that I'm afraid to ever say anything bad happens to male children. It's not a fair leap to make. And why do you let Dark piss you off so much when you know he posts crap like that just to get a rise out of you.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 15, 2012 10:38:35 GMT -5
thanks FB. I thought it was common knowledge that FGM was done to inhibit female sexual pleasure and libido as a means to make them more docile and subservient.... I wouldn't say it's common knowledge, which is why it's one of those things that I am quick to point out when people talk about how m/f circumcision are comparable practices (believe it or not, this is a fairly common argument).
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Post by Firebird on Aug 15, 2012 10:39:01 GMT -5
Mid, it's that people tend to not let others agree to disagree.Word. That's why Dark's strawman post pissed me off so much. We can disagree that the practices are comparable without him implying that I'm afraid to ever say anything bad happens to male children. It's not a fair leap to make. And why do you let Dark piss you off so much when you know he posts crap like that just to get a rise out of you. I've been asking myself that all morning.
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Post by swamp on Aug 15, 2012 10:39:44 GMT -5
thanks FB. I thought it was common knowledge that FGM was done to inhibit female sexual pleasure and libido as a means to make them more docile and subservient.... I wouldn't say it's common knowledge, which is why it's one of those things that I am quick to point out when people talk about how m/f circumcision are comparable practices (believe it or not, this is a fairly common argument). by people who have no idea what FGM is.
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 15, 2012 10:40:19 GMT -5
thanks FB. I thought it was common knowledge that FGM was done to inhibit female sexual pleasure and libido as a means to make them more docile and subservient.... that seems much easier than verbally humiliating them for years until they do what they're supposed to.
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