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Post by marjar on Jan 28, 2011 22:09:49 GMT -5
Vonnie, Did you say you were from IL?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 22:13:11 GMT -5
I attribute them to ... how do i say this... he is soooo good. He never made a mistep for the two years he ran (maybe a small one... can't really remember one). He was consistent, and constant... and the expectation was that he would never make an error... everyone does... lots of politicians do a lot. ... but the expectation level was so high, that even a slight flub is like... what just happened there... despite the fact that he has done much more than many...
And he is hemmed in by his position... as he is meant to be... he is the executive... he does not write law... and he has to work with congress... which he actually did quite well... i'm not for everything... i would have switched tacts on health care before he did, although i know why he worked it the way he did.. he let the opposition control the message too much, which is not like him... I am not happy with how war strategy is progressing... but again, its not like that is all him... nothing ever is...
The only complete WHAT? moment i had was the whole beer summit thing... and leading up to it... but again... he's just so controlled and careful that when something like that comes out of his mouth, its like 'oh man... that was bad'... when others do it all the time (Biden?) and no one thinks anything of it...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 22:15:05 GMT -5
Agreed expat, but i'm not sure how politics play out in this case, because i just do not think 'the people' are there... and so i... i just don't know what happens going forward... we'll see...
But if people had been on a private system with the crash... ??... its still not full proof... and who decides on risk allocation? is it indiividual? is it regulated at all?....
I'm getting tired...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jan 28, 2011 22:19:32 GMT -5
Vonnie, Did you say you were from IL? I did and I am
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Post by marjar on Jan 28, 2011 22:21:22 GMT -5
Then you would be more aware of Obama's time as a senator.
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Post by formerexpat on Jan 28, 2011 22:21:31 GMT -5
People were falsely led to believe that it was going to be 100% in the market. There were plenty of options on the table for what could be discussed. How about just putting it in an IRA and letting the people decide their own allocation? 100% CD ladder if you want.
How about simplifying the IRS code and instead of having the IRS, have a division of fee only planners to help citizens decide what is best for their own situation? You could have 1 or 2 "free" visits a year. I'm sure the budget for such division would be a fraction of what the IRS consumes.
Bam - unfunded liabilities off the balance sheet and billions of unnecessary spending removed from the budget just like that.
And talk about all the hours we'd save on the simplified tax code.
Good night, Oped. [/size]
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jan 28, 2011 22:26:05 GMT -5
Then you would be more aware of Obama's time as a senator. yes and hence my defense of Palin over the issue of experience - it was a bit surreal to hear her constantly excoriated over the experience issue - while watching our newly minted Senator (who usually voted present in the Illinois Senate) up and run for President after 1/3 of his first term and the media being totally fine with it - bottom line, he had a razor thin resume and got away with it because the media chose to ignore it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 22:26:21 GMT -5
If people decide on their own allocation and take agressive risk, and lose it... do we still off support? ... If they do CD ladder and don't have enough to retire on... do we still offer support? ... How do we fund current SS and future IRA at the same time? Simplified IRS code... ok... but can you really eliminate it? Yeah, i'm gonna turn in soon... but i'm also going on 'break' tomorrow... been spending too much time here... time for a hiatus... it was fun this week... kids and i were all resting out some kind of bug... but i have to accomplish something around the house ... fun to debate with grown ups for awhile though... well... mostly...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 22:30:38 GMT -5
who usually voted present in the Illinois Senate
See.. you might live there... but that just is not true... and when he voted present he explained his position... which was often not opposition to the bill... for which he would have voted nea, but opposition to the language... something he, unlike other politicians, has a strong affinity for and legal understanding of...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jan 28, 2011 22:34:23 GMT -5
who usually voted present in the Illinois Senate See.. you might live there... but that just is not true... and when he voted present he explained his position... which was often not opposition to the bill... for which he would have voted nea, but opposition to the language... something he, unlike other politicians, has a strong affinity for and legal understanding of... good try - no he just didn't want a record - he didn't want to be accountable, like he is now
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Post by marjar on Jan 28, 2011 22:35:05 GMT -5
Then you would be more aware of Obama's time as a senator. yes and hence my defense of Palin over the issue of experience - it was a bit surreal to hear her constantly excoriated over the experience issue - while watching our newly minted Senator (who usually voted present in the Illinois Senate) up and run for President after 1/3 of his first term and the media being totally fine with it - bottom line, he had a razor thin resume and got away with it because the media chose to ignore it I'd like to continue this tomorrow, if you'd like. I'm too tired to think straight, but I've enjoyed the discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 22:36:23 GMT -5
Please... point to where he voted present the majority of the time... i'd love to see that link, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 22:36:53 GMT -5
You think HE is not accountable... but you think Palin IS... lol... that is funny...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jan 28, 2011 22:42:04 GMT -5
yes and hence my defense of Palin over the issue of experience - it was a bit surreal to hear her constantly excoriated over the experience issue - while watching our newly minted Senator (who usually voted present in the Illinois Senate) up and run for President after 1/3 of his first term and the media being totally fine with it - bottom line, he had a razor thin resume and got away with it because the media chose to ignore it I'd like to continue this tomorrow, if you'd like. I'm too tired to think straight, but I've enjoyed the discussion. good plan - its late here too
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jan 28, 2011 22:44:07 GMT -5
You think HE is not accountable... but you think Palin IS... lol... that is funny... I didn't say that - I don't think - what I said or meant to say that anyone criticizing Palin was a bit of a of a hypocrite because he was no more qualified and a whole lot less vetted by the press
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jan 28, 2011 22:46:34 GMT -5
Please... point to where he voted present the majority of the time... i'd love to see that link, thanks. well I am not sure I have a link - I actually read it in paper not on line - if I get the inclination tomorrow I might research it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 22:56:06 GMT -5
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Post by marjar on Jan 28, 2011 23:00:59 GMT -5
Good night! Sleep well, folks.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jan 28, 2011 23:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 28, 2011 23:10:33 GMT -5
You do understand that running ALL of those departments and agencies together represents only a small portion of the federal budget...
If you're still here Ms. oped, for what its worth I do not at all understand your statement. When I said these useless departments and agencies should be axed I also meant that the money conduit would be severed ie: no taxpayer money would be redistributed through these conduits any longer. So the whole portion would be eliminated, so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 23:14:07 GMT -5
I just wasn't sure if we were discussing like department of housing, department of ed, etc... or also departments having to do with the big three... ss/medi and defense... because those make up the majority of the budget and the small departments, like housing and ed, etc., even if we cut them out completely, will probably not be enough to effect the kind of change we need... if that makes sense...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 23:15:39 GMT -5
How am i spinning? He voted 4000 times... Of those he voted present 129 times. That is not USUALY by any definition. You said he did not want to have his opinoins on the reccord, so that he would have to be accontable, but as one of those links shows... he did go on the record often as to what his thoughts were..
Where is the spin in that? ... How is his actual voting record 'spin'...
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 28, 2011 23:39:34 GMT -5
I see your point Ms. oped. All of the ones you mentioned should be gone except for defense.
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Post by verrip1 on Jan 29, 2011 2:41:04 GMT -5
Wonderful concepts being floated. Like "Don't cut anything that doesn't solve the entire problem". Stupidity like that got us to the disastrous deficit problem we're in today.
It really is so typically liberal/statist in origin.
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