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Post by rockon on Jan 28, 2011 14:01:33 GMT -5
Hopefully both parties are terrified enough to make significant changes in how business is done. Would you hope the same?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 28, 2011 14:09:33 GMT -5
If they're not terrified, they should be. And for good reason-- the TEA Party seeks to end the reign of terror of BOTH parties on We The People. They BOTH stand to lose power, influence, and best of all...money. GO TEA PARTY, GO!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 14:09:48 GMT -5
Not really. But that is basically because i don't think the 'tea party' is any kind of a solid force, and the people that seem to speak loudly in support of it (i'm not sure if they were really CHOSEN, or just took up the mantle??) tend to not be the types of people i'd want speaking for me... then tend to be reactionary, contradict themselves, and actually come accross quite silly and unintelligent. I would not want serious politicians to be so 'terrified' of an extremist group that they would respond to them, because ultimately their response would not be beneficial to me or my country... I live in a republic because no fringe minority is supposed to be able to dictate for the rest of us...
That is not to say that there are not libertarian principles which i feel the government should be reminded of... and look to return to... however 1) i do not feel that the 'tea party' as it exists in its many fractured states, is a good spokes'party' for this... at least they are not proving to be... and 2) too many of those who actually subscribe to being a 'tea party' person, in reality do not want what they appear to say that they want (ie. the whole focus on discretionary spending and refusal to see the need to make changes to medi and ss and defense...)... But then i guess that just relates back to 1, and how they are not the best spokespersons ...
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Post by workpublic on Jan 28, 2011 14:37:17 GMT -5
since you've written the tea party supporters all off as being dumb and or crazy, i can see your point. ;D
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 28, 2011 14:45:22 GMT -5
I don't personally know any "tea partiers". I see them on TV holding signs that say, "Keep the gov't out of my Medicare!" and I see their spokesperson, Michele Bachmann talking about how the founding fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery. So far, I'm not very impressed with what I've seen.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 28, 2011 14:55:24 GMT -5
Some more of Michele Bachmann's (official spokesperson for the Tea Partiers) pearls of wisdom:
''Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.''
''(Gay marriage) is probably the biggest issue that will impact our state and our nation in the last, at least, thirty years. I am not understating that.''
"But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.”
''Not all cultures are equal.''
''[Pelosi] is committed to her global warming fanaticism to the point where she has said she has even said she is trying to save the planet. We all know that someone did that 2,000 years ago.''
''A woman (Terri Schiavo) was healthy. There was brain damage, there was no question. But from a health point of view, she was not terminally ill.''
“Unelected bureaucracies will decide what we can and cant get in future health insurance policy. Thats why theyre called death panels.''
'There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.''
Jeez, no wonder she scares Republicans! ;D
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 28, 2011 15:03:55 GMT -5
I though Palin was the "official spokesperson for the Tea Partiers"? You all should get your smears straight before you start in...it makes you look like a bunch of disorganized, probably stoned left-wing losers...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 28, 2011 15:05:16 GMT -5
Ed,
I did not see SP delivering an official response to the SOTU. Did I miss it? I hope not. She's good material too.
You all should get your smears straight before you start in
Quoting someone word for word is "smearing"?? Really?
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 28, 2011 15:07:42 GMT -5
The official response to the SOTU came from Paul Ryan. Yes, clearly you missed it...
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 28, 2011 15:11:18 GMT -5
I though Palin was the "official spokesperson for the Tea Partiers"? You all should get your smears straight before you start in...it makes you look like a bunch of disorganized, probably stoned left-wing losers... Well let's see there is the Tea Party Patriots, the National Tea Party Federation, The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition and the Tea Party Nation. Maybe Sarah Palin is the spokeswoman for one of these groups and Michele Bachmann is a spokeswoman for another? Just a thought. |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 28, 2011 15:13:52 GMT -5
The official response to the SOTU came from Paul Ryan.
Uh, the official response to the SOTU from the Republican party came from Paul Ryan. The Tea Partiers had their own response and they designated Michele Bachmann.
Hmmm. If even YOU are backing away from her, no wonder she has Republicans worried. ;D
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 28, 2011 15:14:57 GMT -5
Good. Time for these RINOs to shit or get off the pot.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 28, 2011 15:16:53 GMT -5
I don't personally know any "tea partiers". I see them on TV holding signs that say, "Keep the gov't out of my Medicare!" and I see their spokesperson, Michele Bachmann talking about how the founding fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery. So far, I'm not very impressed with what I've seen. Wait...I thought Palin was their spokesperson? Which one of us didn't get the latest talking point memo? You know you just doomed this thread to "who can piss on the other's shoes the most" don't you? Now repubs are diging up every stupid thing a dem has ever said. The fact that so many people equate a person saying something stupid to their intelligence is what's really scary. So what? People sometimes say stupid shit....time to get over it. |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 28, 2011 15:17:07 GMT -5
Factcheck: GOP State of the Union response
Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin gave the official Republican response to President Barack Obama's State of the Union address on Jan. 25. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota also gave a response speech that night to Tea Party Express activists. We found factual issues with both of their remarks.Rest at www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/report/012811_factcheck_gop_sotu
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 28, 2011 15:18:10 GMT -5
Right, but the Tea Party is not a political party. The Republican party is. You might as well ask about Dunkin Donuts' "official" response to the SOTU as well.
The reality is that the Tea Party is a social and political movement, and both Democrats and Republicans should be scared of them. If they aren't, they're even stupider than we thought and will righteously deserve the ass-kicking they will undoubtedly receive in 2012...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 28, 2011 15:22:45 GMT -5
I believe it's the moderates who will be the deciding factor next year......... not the raving, birther, keep the gov't out of my SS crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 15:23:40 GMT -5
"since you've written the tea party supporters all off as being dumb and or crazy, i can see your point. "
I have not written all of anybody off as crazy... i've said the loudest figureheads who claim to be speaking for the tea party (whether they were apointed to do so or not) are... well, yeah, ok, we'll go with your words... dumb and crazy...
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 28, 2011 15:25:52 GMT -5
Factcheck: GOP State of the Union response
Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin gave the official Republican response to President Barack Obama's State of the Union address on Jan. 25. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota also gave a response speech that night to Tea Party Express activists. We found factual issues with both of their remarks. GG...the TP and the TP Express are not the same thing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movementen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_party_express |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 28, 2011 15:26:59 GMT -5
The fact that so many people equate a person saying something stupid to their intelligence is what's really scary.
Huh? It's "scary" to question the intelligence of someone who repeatedly says something stupid? I'm not supposed to wonder about their intelligence? Or the intelligence of those who voted them into office? WTF?
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 28, 2011 15:39:27 GMT -5
How many "slips of the tounge" can we dig up on Obama? How about Biden? Pretty much anybody that speaks publicly is going to have a list...the more they speak, the longer the list is likely to be. Go take a look.
But, either way dems have not been questioning anything...they've been labeling these women as stupid and idiots since the day their names became mainstream. Same thing with GW Bush...he's stupid...he's an idiot. The "stupid" and "idiot" cards are more overplayed than the race card.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 15:40:06 GMT -5
I know florida... but the fact is there are sooo many factions, there is no uniformity... no consistent message... and the messages that are allowed to escape 'in the name of 'the' party' can get a bit 'out there'... and does nothing toward a unified movement...
Palin an Bauchman don't just say something stupid... they repeat it over and over and double down on it, and seem to revel in the stupidity of their comments... its not just an isolated incident... it permeates, and yes, does indeed reflect on their 'intelligence'...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 15:43:04 GMT -5
I am not a Bush fan. I did not agree with the majority of his political decisions. I did get frustrated with his inability to articulate an idea, and occasionally chuckle at his 'Bushisms"... and i think he is a mastermind, genius, world class orator... in relation to these two women..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 15:46:37 GMT -5
How many "slips of the tounge" can we dig up on Obama? How about Biden? Pretty much anybody that speaks publicly is going to have a list...the more they speak, the longer the list is likely to be. Go take a look. But, either way dems have not been questioning anything...they've been labeling these women as stupid and idiots since the day their names became mainstream. Same thing with GW Bush...he's stupid...he's an idiot. The "stupid" and "idiot" cards are more overplayed than the race card. I had a really good list of slip-ups that Obama said over the last 2 years, it was long too. But I deleted it a couple of weeks ago never believing I would actually read a poster that thought verbal slip-ups only came from one side of the aisle. |
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 28, 2011 16:02:16 GMT -5
Isn't this pretty much the definition of a grass roots movement?
You ought to go take a look at some Obamaisms like his 3,000% savings with health care reform...or campaigning in 57 states...and that's as far as I'm going with this one so go do your own homework and come back here and start posting threads about what an idiot he is....since some people seem to enjoy being so judgmental.
Now, I had a professor in college that was probably one of the most intelligent men I have ever met personally. He was brilliant in a one on one situation or putting ideas on paper. Get him in front of a crowd and he comes off worse than the Nutty Professor. Ask him a question and he could turn a 15 second answer in to a 15 minute ramble that runs in circles. The first few classes with him, I wondered how on Gods green earth did this guy land a professor position...and I considered dropping the course. I'm glad I did not.
Orating skills do not always reflect intelligence...in this professors case, not even close.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 28, 2011 16:07:59 GMT -5
Members of one of the myriad of Tea Parties protested at a private event I attended last October. They are apparently so "for" American values they assumed it was ok to trespass on private property. They also called an American Citizen un-American for being a supporter of a democratic politician. So you'll have to excuse me if I find little to be impressed by.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 16:13:18 GMT -5
Isn't this pretty much the definition of a grass roots movement?
Not effective grassroots...
As i said... there is a difference between 1) a slip like 57 states... or even Bush's bushisms... and 2) what i hear coming from Palin/Bauchman...
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 28, 2011 16:21:40 GMT -5
I would not want serious politicians to be so 'terrified' of an extremist group
Wanting a return to policies tightly adhering to your Constitution is "extremist" to you? Good to know.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 28, 2011 16:27:41 GMT -5
Members of one of the myriad of Tea Parties protested at a private event I attended last October. They are apparently so "for" American values they assumed it was ok to trespass on private property. They also called an American Citizen un-American for being a supporter of a democratic politician. So you'll have to excuse me if I find little to be impressed by. And I have been called un-American by posters on the old MSN boards for not agreeing with all things obama. Who cares? I sure do not define all dems because of a few. The problem with thinking like that is that you'll likely find more than a few idiots in damned nearly every group. |
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