On Deuteronomy 22

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Jul 30, 2012 13:15:42 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring.~ Marilyn Monroe

Didn't she die at age 36? From a barbiturate overdose that most people assumed was a suicide attempt?

Just sayin'.

Though officially classified as a "probable suicide", the possibility of an accidental overdose, as well as of homicide, has never been ruled out.

Not that it matters but...

[Virgil Showlion]

*yeesh*

I noticed the signature and commented on it. It was a spontaneous thing. I'm sorry, officers. You've caught me. I won't do it again.

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Jul 30, 2012 13:43:53 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

*yeesh*

I noticed the signature and commented on it. It was a spontaneous thing. I'm sorry, officers. You've caught me. I won't do it again.

Pinky swear?

[weltschmerz]

Jul 30, 2012 13:15:42 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring.~ Marilyn Monroe

Didn't she die at age 36? From a barbiturate overdose that most people assumed was a suicide attempt?

Just sayin'.

Didn't she also sleep around with married men?

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Jul 30, 2012 13:45:48 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jul 30, 2012 13:15:42 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Didn't she die at age 36? From a barbiturate overdose that most people assumed was a suicide attempt?

Just sayin'.

Didn't she also sleep around with married men?

Only presidents and mobsters. Whats your point?

[femmefatale]

Jul 30, 2012 13:46:31 GMT -5 @joey said:

Jul 30, 2012 13:45:48 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Didn't she also sleep around with married men?

Only presidents and mobsters. Whats your point?

Yeah what's your point?

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jinx. lol

[femmefatale]

Jul 30, 2012 13:47:31 GMT -5 @joey said:

jinx. lol

[weltschmerz]

I'm not wanting to start a fight. Femme, you said on another thread that she's your hero. I'm genuinely curious as to why. She wasn't even a very good actress. What do you find so heroic about her? I like Marilyn, but......

[femmefatale]

I really don't think this thread is appropriate to discuss Marilyn on. If you'd like, you can send me a PM and I'll tell you how I feel.

[jackthelad]

Jul 30, 2012 13:57:08 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I'm not wanting to start a fight. Femme, you said on another thread that she's your hero. I'm genuinely curious as to why. She wasn't even a very good actress. What do you find so heroic about her? I like Marilyn, but......

Marilyn didn't have to be, who was interested in her acting, she wasn't a good singer either. Happy birthday Mr President made me cringe, nobody knows the real reason how she died. No one wanted to delve or dig too deep, it might have embarressed the Presidency and the FBI, and raised a few eyebrows.
Me personnally, i liked Marilyn, but then i am a bloke.

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Jul 30, 2012 13:57:08 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I'm not wanting to start a fight. Femme, you said on another thread that she's your hero. I'm genuinely curious as to why. She wasn't even a very good actress. What do you find so heroic about her? I like Marilyn, but......

Seriously? What a weird thing to bring up on this thread in particular.

There is no doubt that Marilyn Monroe is extremely famous and popular. After her mysterious death she became a Great Legend. She is an Icon, a Cultural Icon, a Pop Icon, Hollywood Icon, Fashion Icon, and the biggest Sex symbol and Beauty Icon to ever live. She has one of the most recognizable faces ever.

She is immortalized in History, Popular culture, Hollywood, and Art, Marilyn Monroe only keeps getting greater and more Iconic than ever.

Whats not to love?

[jackthelad]

Jul 30, 2012 14:07:46 GMT -5 @joey said:

Jul 30, 2012 13:57:08 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I'm not wanting to start a fight. Femme, you said on another thread that she's your hero. I'm genuinely curious as to why. She wasn't even a very good actress. What do you find so heroic about her? I like Marilyn, but......

Seriously? What a weird thing to bring up on this thread in particular.

There is no doubt that Marilyn Monroe is extremely famous and popular. After her mysterious death she became a Great Legend. She is an Icon, a Cultural Icon, a Pop Icon, Hollywood Icon, Fashion Icon, and the biggest Sex symbol and Beauty Icon to ever live. She has one of the most recognizable faces ever.

She is immortalized in History, Popular culture, Hollywood, and Art, Marilyn Monroe only keeps getting greater and more Iconic than ever.

Whats not to love?

In other words a goddess, so this is an appropriate thread to talk about Marilyn the goddess.

[femmefatale]

Jul 30, 2012 14:07:46 GMT -5 @joey said:

Jul 30, 2012 13:57:08 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I'm not wanting to start a fight. Femme, you said on another thread that she's your hero. I'm genuinely curious as to why. She wasn't even a very good actress. What do you find so heroic about her? I like Marilyn, but......

Seriously? What a weird thing to bring up on this thread in particular.

There is no doubt that Marilyn Monroe is extremely famous and popular. After her mysterious death she became a Great Legend. She is an Icon, a Cultural Icon, a Pop Icon, Hollywood Icon, Fashion Icon, and the biggest Sex symbol and Beauty Icon to ever live. She has one of the most recognizable faces ever.

She is immortalized in History, Popular culture, Hollywood, and Art, Marilyn Monroe only keeps getting greater and more Iconic than ever.

Whats not to love?

Thank You, Apps.

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Jul 30, 2012 14:12:19 GMT -5 jackthelad said:

Jul 30, 2012 14:07:46 GMT -5 @joey said:

Seriously? What a weird thing to bring up on this thread in particular.

There is no doubt that Marilyn Monroe is extremely famous and popular. After her mysterious death she became a Great Legend. She is an Icon, a Cultural Icon, a Pop Icon, Hollywood Icon, Fashion Icon, and the biggest Sex symbol and Beauty Icon to ever live. She has one of the most recognizable faces ever.

She is immortalized in History, Popular culture, Hollywood, and Art, Marilyn Monroe only keeps getting greater and more Iconic than ever.

Whats not to love?

In other words a goddess, so this is an appropriate thread to talk about Marilyn the goddess.

lol works for me.

[trevorw2539]

Virgil Quote. Trevor, my thoughts on the matter are (in all but one small regard) in line with LCG doctrine on the subject (link).

The scriptures that indicate why we should continue to observe the Holy Days are scattered throughout.

As an aside, regarding our discussion earlier: the book quoted by Christ (in Joshua 10 and 2 Samuel) that does not appear in OT canon proper is the Book of Jasher. And I can see the wisdom in leaving it as a separate book, outside the compendium. It's huge!



Ah. The Book of the Just Man.

Read the link you gave. I have already stated that Easter and Christmas are not 'Holy Days'. Simply 'special' days set aside to remember the two events. The fact that these were not 'set' until a later date is irrelevant. Easter was in fact celebrated regularly from the beginning, in the disciples coming together to 'break bread' in accordance with Christs command. We have turned this simple meal into a three day event.

The article is interesting. Some things I agree with, some I do not.

[cranberry49]

Jul 30, 2012 16:25:20 GMT -5 trevorw2539 said:

Virgil Quote. Trevor, my thoughts on the matter are (in all but one small regard) in line with LCG doctrine on the subject (link).

The scriptures that indicate why we should continue to observe the Holy Days are scattered throughout.

As an aside, regarding our discussion earlier: the book quoted by Christ (in Joshua 10 and 2 Samuel) that does not appear in OT canon proper is the Book of Jasher. And I can see the wisdom in leaving it as a separate book, outside the compendium. It's huge!



Ah. The Book of the Just Man.

Read the link you gave. I have already stated that Easter and Christmas are not 'Holy Days'. Simply 'special' days set aside to remember the two events. The fact that these were not 'set' until a later date is irrelevant. Easter was in fact celebrated regularly from the beginning, in the disciples coming together to 'break bread' in accordance with Christs command. We have turned this simple meal into a three day event.

The article is interesting. Some things I agree with, some I do not.

The remembrance to 'break bread' is not in reference to Christs' resurrection. It is in remembrance of his death. The 'last supper.' Such as before he died. No where does the bible tell us to celebrate his resurrection. Only his death. His sacrifice to all mankind. Easter is a pagan holiday. It was never celebrated by the earlier Christians. Besides, it has absolutely nothing in common with the event. Think about it: a bunny that lays eggs? What has that got to do with Jesus? This is a pagan fertility event, if I remember correctly.

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[Virgil Showlion]

Ishtar ("Easter") was a pagan fertility goddess.

[cranberry49]

Jul 30, 2012 19:15:30 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Ishtar ("Easter") was a pagan fertility goddess.

Thanks! I remember reading about that somewhere. Just couldn't remember the details and didn't feel like looking it up.

[Virgil Showlion]

I imagine the Cadbury's execs have a shrine to her set up somewhere. How else would they unload 300 million metric tonnes of low-quality chocolate each year?

[cranberry49]

LOL, Virgil!

[trevorw2539]

CRANBERRY QUOTE.

The remembrance to 'break bread' is not in reference to Christs' resurrection. It is in remembrance of his death. The 'last supper.' Such as before he died. No where does the bible tell us to celebrate his resurrection. Only his death. His sacrifice to all mankind. Easter is a pagan holiday. It was never celebrated by the earlier Christians. Besides, it has absolutely nothing in common with the event. Think about it: a bunny that lays eggs? What has that got to do with Jesus? This is a pagan fertility event, if I remember correctly.


I'm not sure how deep you want to go into this. Did Christ actually command his disciples to continue the 'last supper' in the future, or were his words for the current event, and the disciples carried it on of their own volition. Can we have the last supper without the remembrance of the resurrection? Many Christian festivals use 'pagan' days. Does that make the Christian festival any the less valid? The fact that the world chooses to use pagan symbols for 'its day' does not invalidate the Christian's celebration.
If you look at the timeline for the Gospels, Acts of the Apostles and Pauline Epistles other questions occur. But I leave that alone.

1 Corinthians 15 Resurrection chapter. Note vs 55-57

Good to talk but I have to go out. Talk again.

[Virgil Showlion]

1 Corinthians 15 Resurrection chapter. Note vs 55-57

1 Corinthians 15:55-57:

"O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?"

The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The quoted passage is from Hosea 13:14.

It's referring to the fact that sin is the transgression of God's law, and the penalty of sin is death—a penalty that we all carry, because no man is without sin. But Christ died to justify (literally "to make right") mankind before the Father. He himself paid the price for our sins with his blood.

This by no means gives us license to continue in sin. To do so would show contempt for Christ's sacrifice. I can quote a dozen scriptures to indicate that.

And I certainly don't see this passage as evidence that we should observe festivals of our own devising rather than those explicitly laid out for us by God.

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OOOooooo.. I can hear the flipping of pages..

I this study, so to speak.. No swattin' gnats just to end up swallowing whole camels..

How about we celebrate our God because of the Son's birth, life, death and Resurrection? Remember the significance of each and collectively celebrate them all, no?.. Somehow, I just do not believe God will hold our celebrating each collectively or for that matter separately, against any believer, you know? It's kind of hard to do one part without the others..

We are also required to remember to gather, to pray, to worship, to give, to serve, to love etc..

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Virgil..

What is your belief on eternal security? By that I mean in part, does your organization believe once saved always saved? Can the believer out sin the grace of God?

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The "true" believer, I mean? Not the wolf is sheep's clothing.. Not an individual who was never a believer..

[Virgil Showlion]

What is your belief on eternal security? By that I mean in part, does your organization believe once saved always saved? Can the believer out sin the grace of God?

To continue in sin means that you possess no living faith, Ms. heart (James 2:14-26). God's grace is a gift freely given to those who love Him and obey his commandments.

If you want my organization's thoughts on the matter:

Short Version: click here
And a longer version: click here

Another scripture that immediately comes to mind is Matthew 7:22-23:

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Note that 'work iniquity' can (and often is translated) as "you who practice lawlessness", which is the denotation of iniquity.

[Reckless Roselia]

Jul 30, 2012 13:45:48 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jul 30, 2012 13:15:42 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Didn't she die at age 36? From a barbiturate overdose that most people assumed was a suicide attempt?

Just sayin'.

Didn't she also sleep around with married men?

Younger men or elder ones?

[jarhead1976]

That grace is his to give .

" For many that are first shall be last and many who are last shall be first "....

[trevorw2539]

Jul 31, 2012 11:28:25 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

1 Corinthians 15 Resurrection chapter. Note vs 55-57

1 Corinthians 15:55-57:

"O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?"

The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The quoted passage is from Hosea 13:14.

It's referring to the fact that sin is the transgression of God's law, and the penalty of sin is death—a penalty that we all carry, because no man is without sin. But Christ died to justify (literally "to make right") mankind before the Father. He himself paid the price for our sins with his blood.

This by no means gives us license to continue in sin. To do so would show contempt for Christ's sacrifice. I can quote a dozen scriptures to indicate that.

And I certainly don't see this passage as evidence that we should observe festivals of our own devising rather than those explicitly laid out for us by God.

Thanks for your reply

I think we are at cross purposes here. You have taken the verse from Hosea and its context. I have taken the verses in context of the chapter in Corinthians. This is a chapter of victory over death -resurrection- and the triumphant quote 'Oh death where is thy sting, Oh grave, where is your victory.' A celebration surely.

You celebrate your coming into the world on your birthday? Celebrate the promise of your resurrection through Christ's resurrection.

What is your interpretation of Hebrews?

Briefly.

From my own study the whole book is dedicated to showing the Christians of the time that the OT was fulfilled in Christ. Some of the readers were thinking of returning to the ceremonies and rites of Judaism.
Briefly.
Hebrews rambles through the patriarchs etc showing that they all were looking, not for an earthly city, but an heavenly. Promised to Abraham and his descendants. It goes through the Atonement in the Jewish animal sacrifices etc. and points out the futility of them to take away mens sin, or men would not have to make the sacrifices yearly. But the sacrifice at Calvary can.
Hebrews 10 - talking about the laws of sacrifices - Jewish law and 'Calvary' law says this
Then said he - Christ - 'Lo, I come to do thy will O God'. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

The feasts and ceremonies of the OT are, in the main, a matter of Hebrew faith. They are a foreshadowing of things to come in Christ. Provided we do not return to them - animal sacrifices etc - then I see no reason not to recognise them. I personally see no reason to celebrate those things which have been overshadowed. But that is only my opinion.