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Post by movingforward on Jul 19, 2012 15:08:12 GMT -5
Ex-lax brownies can be a satisfying revenge as well. A little special treat for the wanna be part-timer and the supervisor
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Post by kindthatjingles on Jul 19, 2012 15:55:42 GMT -5
Wait just to be clear, is it your co-worker who's going part time? Or is it your boss? I just re-read it and started being a little unsure co-worker... Boss is already part time She has a cap in her head I think for salaries, so unless she goes part time I am El Screwed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 16:32:05 GMT -5
Wow. I am so sorry this happened to you.
I suspect a lot of employers will be hurting for good employees when the economy improves.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 19, 2012 17:15:31 GMT -5
I was under the impression that it was usually a very bad idea to stay at your current employment if/when they match your current offer. Is this not the case anymore? No, it's still the case. You never accept the offer to stay, because then this happens. I think I would start looking for a new job ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 17:23:03 GMT -5
No, it's still the case. You never accept the offer to stay, because then this happens. I think I would start looking for a new job ASAP. I know of only one person for whom a counteroffer worked- he's still here, 10 years and several promotions later, doing very well. He's the exception. If a company thinks you're worth $X ('cause that's what they pay you) and they agree to pay you $X +$8,000 to keep you from leaving, they've rarely changed their minds about what you're worth. And now your salary is distorted compared to your peers. OP, I'm sorry this happened to you- I'd be angry and in shock, too. Keep looking for another job.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 19, 2012 17:34:56 GMT -5
I stayed once. According to my boss, the pay increase and promotion was already being discussed, I guess my notice just sped things up a little. It actually worked out for me, but mostly because all my co-workers and my boss left the company (voluntarily or not) in a short period of time after that. I was the only one who knew what the hell was going on. It sounded to me like the OP thought the reduction of hours by her co-worker was going to be an opportunity for her, and it might have been the right move.
What I don't know is who is the bigger asswipe?
- The co-worker for changing her mind? - The boss for not holding the co-worker to her word? - The boss for not honoring her word?
or possibly: - The boss for pressuring the co-worker to do something she was only "thinking" about doing, and then letting it unravel.
Do you think the boss/co-worker out and out lied to the OP? It is very possible in my ming.
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Post by Jaguar on Jul 19, 2012 17:44:27 GMT -5
kindthatjingles ~ Go get em' tiger. Win them over with sweetness, swoop in and smack em' when you get the new job.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 20, 2012 7:53:36 GMT -5
I cannot believe your boss thinks she can get away with treating you that way. Does she not understand consequences? I'm so sorry. Boss is thinking only of bottom line. Why should she give someone a raise when, in her mind, everything has stayed the same and that nice job offer that someone else put on the table is now gone. Not a nice person to work for. Keep looking for another job and leave ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 8:04:20 GMT -5
That is completely unacceptable and unprofessional. Keep looking and I am sure you will find another better paying job. What i don't understand is why doesn't the boss tell the coworker that she cannot keep changing her mind and she is part time starting immediately! Is this a game to your coworker? How come your boss is allowing the coworker play both of you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 8:10:48 GMT -5
If I were you I would: A) start looking for jobs ASAP B) when you do find a job, used up all your vacation and give her your resignation letter as you are walking out the door on your last day.
Yes I am petty but if she screwed me, she doesn't deserve a 2 weeks notice. I would take 1 week as vacation, and move out my stuff slowly but surely during that 2nd week and on my last day as I am walking out hand her my resignation and tell her not to expect me on Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 8:21:09 GMT -5
"Yes I am petty but if she screwed me, she doesn't deserve a 2 weeks notice. "
If you have worked there for a while and she could be a reference then I would not burn any bridges no matter how pissed you are.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 20, 2012 8:49:45 GMT -5
No, it's still the case. You never accept the offer to stay, because then this happens. I think I would start looking for a new job ASAP. I know of only one person for whom a counteroffer worked- he's still here, 10 years and several promotions later, doing very well. He's the exception. If a company thinks you're worth $X ('cause that's what they pay you) and they agree to pay you $X +$8,000 to keep you from leaving, they've rarely changed their minds about what you're worth. And now your salary is distorted compared to your peers. OP, I'm sorry this happened to you- I'd be angry and in shock, too. Keep looking for another job. I think the idea companies pay you what they think you are worth is flawed. Companies pay you the least amount they can while still maintaining their goals (how much they care about you leaving, how much they want you to be the happy employee, etc). It's YOUR responsibility to make sure they're paying you what you're worth. I might not stay for the same job, but I know several people, myself included, who got other job offers for the express purpose of either moving on or forcing the company to stop dragging their feet on a promotion. In most cases being that people were already doing the higher job just not getting paid/titled for it.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 20, 2012 9:01:13 GMT -5
I know one person too that it's worked for. But he's been at his job for over 20 years and is the backbone of the whole operation. So he can get away with it.
I just spent the last few months looking for a job. I went to a staffing agency to check it out and they gave me a couple of handouts to look at. One of them was on the dangers of the counter offer. It was pretty interesting.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 20, 2012 9:30:01 GMT -5
You have every right to be angry. At least now you know how little your boss respects you and how much her word is worth, which is nothing.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 20, 2012 9:40:02 GMT -5
You have every right to be angry. At least now you know how little your boss respects you and how much her word is worth, which is nothing.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 20, 2012 10:39:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I took a counter offer and it was the biggest mistake of my career.
Definitely get out of there. Your boss is a lying scumbag.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 20, 2012 10:42:08 GMT -5
That is completely unacceptable and unprofessional. Keep looking and I am sure you will find another better paying job. What i don't understand is why doesn't the boss tell the coworker that she cannot keep changing her mind and she is part time starting immediately! Is this a game to your coworker? How come your boss is allowing the coworker play both of you? It is the boss, not the coworker that is playing everyone. I seriously doubt the OP would have gotten her raise even if the coworker had gone part time. Bosses lie to employees all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 10:54:22 GMT -5
If I were you I would: A) start looking for jobs ASAP B) when you do find a job, use up all your vacation and give her your resignation letter as you are walking out the door on your last day. Be careful of that. My company has "accrued" vacation benefits so if you leave halfway through the year, you've earned only half your annual vacation time. In theory, they can ask you to reimburse them if you took more than that before leaving, and I think they pay if you took fewer days than you earned. I agree with continuing to look for another job.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 20, 2012 11:06:07 GMT -5
I agree with cawiau about taking all your accrued vacation BEFORE resigning. You said the place is pretty informal so hopefully you don't have to schedule time off too long in advance and it'll work out.
I think we had another thread about someone who was going to get screwed out of his/her vacation purely because the company didn't want to pay and knew that it would cost more to fight than it was worth.
Get anything you truly care about out of your office over the next few days. Make sure that nothing is left behind that you can't replace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 11:08:25 GMT -5
"It is the boss, not the coworker that is playing everyone."
Coworker is the one changing her mind. One day she wants to go PT, next she changes her mind to staying FT. The boss is useless and a liar.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 20, 2012 11:15:42 GMT -5
"It is the boss, not the coworker that is playing everyone." Coworker is the one changing her mind. One day she wants to go PT, next she changes her mind to staying FT. The boss is useless and a liar. Yeah, but it doesn't necessairly follow that the OP would have gotten her raise had the coworker gone part time. If the boss was a man of his word, he would have told the coworker, "I promised OP X because you said you were going part time, so I'm going to keep my word and so are you." This isn't what he did. Actually, it sounds like he played one coworker off the other to keep the status quo.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 20, 2012 11:25:57 GMT -5
Or, he just saw a loophole that he could use to keep the employee without the raise.
Maybe he promised the raise without the authority to give it, and didn't want to admit that? Maybe he is gunning for a raise and is going to use this to campaign for one.
If this happened to me, I'd certainly not be putting in any extra effort for a while. I'd probably not even be saying anything more than the bare minimum to my boss. Depending on the situation, I might also be making copies of anything I thought could be useful.
He has to know that SOMETHING bad will happen.
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Post by skubikky on Jul 20, 2012 11:45:16 GMT -5
Wait just to be clear, is it your co-worker who's going part time? Or is it your boss? I just re-read it and started being a little unsure co-worker... Boss is already part time She has a cap in her head I think for salaries, so unless she goes part time I am El Screwed This should be a wake up call for you. You're in a dead end job with basically no opportunity for salary increases. Having an increased pay opportunity linked to the whim of another employee is absurd. Get movin'. Your main task besides being at work is to find another job, determine what you need to get a better job and create a plan.
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Post by kindthatjingles on Jul 20, 2012 12:50:54 GMT -5
Or, he just saw a loophole that he could use to keep the employee without the raise. Maybe he promised the raise without the authority to give it, and didn't want to admit that? Maybe he is gunning for a raise and is going to use this to campaign for one. If this happened to me, I'd certainly not be putting in any extra effort for a while. I'd probably not even be saying anything more than the bare minimum to my boss. Depending on the situation, I might also be making copies of anything I thought could be useful. He has to know that SOMETHING bad will happen. We work for an Agent, she works for ABC Insurance so she can really do whatever she wants with pay vacation etc. the co-worker is basing this on the fact that her and her husband are arguing and she may need to stay full time till 65 to wait for Medicare.. If things go better with her and spouse then she SWEARS she wil leave in Jan. for part time. I am not buying it at all.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 20, 2012 12:54:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't either. I applied for a part-time job and when interviewing, was asked if I'd go full-time because the part-time girl didn't want to be part-time anymore. I said I would and then ended up not being hired after all because part-time then decided she wanted full - time after all. Crazy system and I decided I'd be crazy if I worked there.
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Post by tloonya on Jul 21, 2012 15:37:31 GMT -5
I am trying to see why had this awful for thwe OP thing happened. Imagine you as you were your boss. How would you handle the cituation?
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 21, 2012 15:43:40 GMT -5
I am trying to see why had this awful for thwe OP thing happened. Imagine you as you were your boss. How would you handle the cituation? If the person says "i'm going part time", and that causes you to offer someone else more money that they accept, they don't get to say "I'm full time again" unless you're willing to pay them and the new higher salary. You don't let the employees decide what they do, and you don't make deals with people until any hinging deals are done.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 21, 2012 20:57:39 GMT -5
If the person says "i'm going part time", and that causes you to offer someone else more money that they accept, they don't get to say "I'm full time again" unless you're willing to pay them and the new higher salary. You don't let the employees decide what they do, and you don't make deals with people until any hinging deals are done. And look for a different job NOW.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 22, 2012 7:13:28 GMT -5
I second the "keep all knowledge to yourself" angle as well. You have to suck it up now as you find another job, but your exodus will be even more sweet when they realize they have to scramble to learn things on the fly.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 22, 2012 7:15:14 GMT -5
Don't do anymore other than your job and don't train anyone.
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