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[frankq]

Nothing is over folks out of town at capitol 'F' in Japan,with a previous typhoon this past weekend along with major quakes near by. 1 million now with newly formed cancer and Gunderson calling for the cement.

Here in town things are working on that great executive order to be played as a hit on all channels. We only need 1 more item to complete the list to do so.

Oct. 2,2012 - Radio: Geologists predict entire 3-mile-wide salt dome below sinkhole may collapse — “This is a really an ongoing disaster, it’s going to continue to get worse” (AUDIO)

Wow. One million new cancers? Can you cite the source for this statement Decoy?

[usaone]

Those of us who live in Pennsylvania know that there is nothing going on at Three Mile Island out of the ordinary.

Thank for taking the time to debunk those reports Q.

95% of the what is "reported" on that thread is complete and utter nonsense. To scare people who would read it without vetting the information for some short term attention is immoral and wrong.

What's worse is that it is allowed to continue and it has led to the collapse of traffic in these threads.

[sunrnr]

Oh my! Seems not much has changed here in the ward except Virgil's name ..... again. Decoy is still being Decoy. Frankq, Ahamburger and usaone still appear to be fighting the good fight and keeping things honest.
Anything else new and exciting??

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

My wife is having our fourth kid sun! Good to see ya!

Frank and Kman hang out at SuperFedWatch everyone and a while. It's BiMetals board that he started.

We have fun with the good fight. Like Q's articles there great stuff. What do you think sun, we going to see a reply to Q's question there in #210?

[frankq]

"95% of the what is "reported" on that thread is complete and utter nonsense. To scare people who would read it without vetting the information for some short term attention is immoral and wrong."

Yeah, even Boo is shaking her head..... Nice to see you again sun..

[sunrnr]

Congratulations to you and your wife!!! Four, eh? I'm still struggling with raising one teenage boy.

No, I don't expect to see any verifiyable citations to the claim. Seems it's a way of life now to spout lies, warning, etc., etc. with no verification or consequences. THe dumbing down of America has been soooo successful most Americans wouldn't know how to do the research or critical thinking needed to determine what's really being said.

As to the salt domes and sink holes, well those are and will continue to be a problem.

Kinda like the thought you can put nuclear wastes into a single wall steel tank which will corrode after 50 years. The radioactivity will then leak out and be captured by the soil formations under the tank. Seemed like a good idea until some hundreds of thousands of gallons leaked and migrated to a major water source. Oops!

Most of the Gulf and the Gulf coast consist of huge salt deposits. The oil companies use the salt to make salt brine for drilling resulting in caverns being formed. After they're done, they inject water/diesel into it the well and abandon it.

The oil/water floats to the top to prevent further erosion of the salt dome. Well, that seemed like a good idea until pure water starts seeping in and eroding the top of the dome and viola! sink holes.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Thanks sun! Ya, it's going to be a full house. I think they will keep each other in line to a point... LOL... The oldest is going to be in a Ninja Turtles movie promo for the new movie coming up.

Great points, I hear you about the energy industry, all moving forward without any long term thought in the past. Looks like some costly mistakes now they are going to have to fix. It's going to be pretty hard to deny it when it seems like it's knowledge that is out there.

[frankq]

Looks like they're working on the problem....This is on the same site as the gloom and doom...Getting educated means looking at the whole picture, not just the part that suits you....

A waste-eating bug for nuclear power?

Posted on 06/18/2012 by Jeff Kart

Nuclear power offers benefits, for sure, like no carbon dioxide emissions. The downsides, of course, include expensive costs for plant construction and the nasty waste that’s left behind.

But what if a bug could zap and clean up that waste? Sound too good to be true?

Not necessarily, say researchers at Michigan State University.

Use of the microbe, a bacteria called Geobacter, is still in the testing stages. It could be scaled up, however, to deal with waste that comes from a commercial-size nuclear plant, according to microbiologist Gemma Reguera, at MSU’s Department of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics. The bug’s bioremediation abilities may sound impossible, but impossible doesn’t always last forever when it comes to science.

The powers of Geobacter have been known for almost 20 years: It can immobilize radioactive uranium after the toxic element has been enriched to produce electricity. The big news is that Reguera and her team have figured out exactly how the microbe is able to zap the element – with tiny hairs, or nanowires.

www.midwestenergynews.com/tag/nuclear/

[frankq]

No, I don't expect to see any verifiyable citations to the claim.

Yeah, still waiting for the source on those one million new cancers........

[sunrnr]

Well, it's not too hard to do a search and come up with speculations on the effects of the radiation from Fukushima, both short and long term. But it's projected speculation with lots of room for debate, not a known fact as alluded to by The Decoy.

enenews.com/cancer-precursor-already.

This could have been injected into the original post, but then you'd be giving some of your power to the readers of the post. They'd be able to at least read the information and make their own judgement, but we can't be having any of that now can we? Besides, we must remember we are just dumb "sheeples" to The Decoy who have to be "taught" and "enlightened" by his overwhelming prowness in world affairs.

[sunrnr]

Oct 6, 2012 8:38:52 GMT -5 frankq said:

Looks like they're working on the problem....This is on the same site as the gloom and doom...Getting educated means looking at the whole picture, not just the part that suits you....

A waste-eating bug for nuclear power?

Posted on 06/18/2012 by Jeff Kart

Nuclear power offers benefits, for sure, like no carbon dioxide emissions. The downsides, of course, include expensive costs for plant construction and the nasty waste that’s left behind.

But what if a bug could zap and clean up that waste? Sound too good to be true?

Not necessarily, say researchers at Michigan State University.

Use of the microbe, a bacteria called Geobacter, is still in the testing stages. It could be scaled up, however, to deal with waste that comes from a commercial-size nuclear plant, according to microbiologist Gemma Reguera, at MSU’s Department of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics. The bug’s bioremediation abilities may sound impossible, but impossible doesn’t always last forever when it comes to science.

The powers of Geobacter have been known for almost 20 years: It can immobilize radioactive uranium after the toxic element has been enriched to produce electricity. The big news is that Reguera and her team have figured out exactly how the microbe is able to zap the element – with tiny hairs, or nanowires.

www.midwestenergynews.com/tag/nuclear/

Cool link! Thanks. I went and looked deeper and it appears Geobacter essentially "encapsulate" the uranium making it non-transportable. This is what the intent of the Yucca mountain repository was. However, I have to wonder are the bugs then radioactive? I couldn't find any reference to this without digging deeper.

The leading article in the link is also critically interesting.

www.midwestenergynews.com/2012/06/21/non-renewable-energy-sectors-face-a-hiring-crunch

The article goes on to say jobs, both skilled and un-skilled, are available by the 100's of thousands in the non-renewable energy sector.

I've worked in the nuclear and gas industries for many years and have personally seen the impact of an aging work force with no influx of new talent. The brain drain due to older knowledgeable workers retiring without passing on the tribal knowledge they've gained is becoming critical.

Seems Americans would rather sit around complaining because no one is offering them a high paying job rather than working to find and fill the jobs that are already out there.

[frankq]

"Seems Americans would rather sit around complaining because no one is offering them a high paying job rather than working to find and fill the jobs that are already out there."

In many cases, yeah. Stands to reason that if you've been unemployed for some time, the skills you do have are not in demand. You can wait it out and hope for the best, or try to obtain new, needed skills. It's not easy, but that's how it goes.

[texasredneck]

The case I know of personally is collecting unemployment till it runs out and then plans on filing for disability.

[frankq]

Oct 7, 2012 9:42:04 GMT -5 texasredneck said:

The case I know of personally is collecting unemployment till it runs out and then plans on filing for disability.

Lot of pride there eh? Same guy will bitch about the deficit....

[usaone]

There are over 3 million jobs available right now in the US.

[sunrnr]

Even though I'm an engineer by education and profession, there have been times I tried the Government Gravy Train route (unemployment). It was such a humiliating, pain in the butt experience I swore I'd never do it again.

I've worked many jobs for minimum wage, contract labor jobs, etc. I didn't feel slighted in the least. I had opportunities to learn many skills I may never have had otherwise.

To be fair many of the current job openings would most likely mean uprooting the family and moving somewhere. This would be a tough thing to do. If you haven't had much, if any, income for some time the cost of relocating would be prohibitive.

All this said, there are many good jobs to be had out there and the so called "illegal aliens" are NOT taking any of them away.

[frankq]

1 million now with newly formed cancer and Gunderson calling for the cement.

From the Radiation Effects Research Foundation (RERF) , a joint U.S. and Japanese long term study regarding the effects of two nuclear detonations (Hiroshima and Nagasaki), which were arguably more violent and spread much more radiation and radioactive material than that of the reactor.....

Solid cancer risks among atomic-bomb survivors
Increased risk of cancer is the most important late effect of radiation exposure seen in A-bomb survivors. For cancers other than leukemia (solid cancers), excess risk associated with radiation started to appear about ten years after exposure. This was first noted by a Japanese physician, Gensaku Obo, in 1956, and it led to continuing comprehensive analyses of cancer mortality and to the creation of tumor registries by the city medical associations in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

For most solid cancers, acute radiation exposure at any age increases one' s cancer risk for the rest of life. As survivors have aged, radiation-associated excess rates of solid cancer have increased as well as the background rates. For the average radiation exposure of survivors within 2,500 meters (about 0.2 Gy), the increase is about 10% above normal age-specific rates. For a dose of 1.0 Gy, the corresponding cancer excess is about 50% (relative risk = 1.5).

Tumor registries were initiated in 1957 in Hiroshima and 1958 in Nagasaki. During the period from 1958 to 1998, 7,851 malignancies (first primary) were observed among 44,635 LSS survivors with estimated doses of >0.005 Gy. The excess number of solid cancers is estimated as 848 (10.7%) (Table). The dose-response relationship appears to be linear, without any apparent threshold below which effects may not occur

www.rerf.jp/radefx/late_e/cancrisk.html

So....TWO nuclear bombs detonated in TWO major cities and......nowhere even close to the number of cancers PROJECTED by some people regarding Fuki. And these cancers were many years after the fact. This research was done over a 40 year period.

Oh...Decoy, that one million number was a PROJECTION, not confirmed. There are 0 new cancers confirmed because of the accident. The one mil number, compared with the results of two nuclear blasts, I would have to say, is suspect...

[sunrnr]

Nicely done q!

How about we look at Chernobyl, arguably the worst nuclear accident until Fukushima came along.

from www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070407172204.htm

Chernobyl Incident Had Fewer Long-Term Health Impacts Than Expected
ScienceDaily (Apr. 9, 2007) — A new study has found that risks from radiation exposure to people involved in the Chernobyl incident may be much less significant than most of us think.

Dr Jim Smith from the Centre for Ecology & Hydrology, who carried out the research, said, “The perception is that there are big risks to public health from radiation exposure. This study shows that for the population exposed to significant doses of radiation from the Chernobyl incident, the risks of premature death are no greater than those of being subjected to prolonged passive smoking, or of constantly over-eating. We can all face such health risks just going about our ordinary daily lives.”

Keep in mind we're talking about low levels of exposure hear. If you were involved in responding to the initial disaster or in construction of the sarcophagus your chances of glowing in the dark are greatly increased and surviving the exposure greatly reduced. Same can be said for those workers at Fukushima.

Dr Smith said, “One of my reasons for comparing everyday risks with those of radiation contamination was the way in which contaminated Chernobyl refugees felt rejected by society. Our understandable fear of radiation needs to be placed in the context of other risks we encounter in our daily lives if we are to properly understand, and respond to, the potential impacts of any future radiation incidents.”

Unfortunately fear mongers play on peoples's fears to sell "News", market "miracle savior" products or to simply control people. Negativity (fear) feeds negativity. Maintaining a positive outlook breaks the bonds imposed by fear and negativity.

Positive things such as

How Plants Near Chernobyl Shrug Off Radiation
ScienceDaily (Feb. 15, 2011) — Scientists are reporting discovery of the biological secrets that enable plants growing near the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant to adapt and flourish in highly radioactive soil -- legacy of the 1986 nuclear disaster in the Ukraine. Their study, which helps solve a long-standing mystery, appears in ACS' Environmental Science & Technology.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208130042.htm

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

To be fair many of the current job openings would most likely mean uprooting the family and moving somewhere. This would be a tough thing to do. If you haven't had much, if any, income for some time the cost of relocating would be prohibitive.

This is true, up here though you can fly into the patch to work, most do. Is it the same down there?

Great stuff from both you a Q, sun. This just gave me chills man!!!

Unfortunately fear mongers play on peoples's fears to sell "News", market "miracle savior" products or to simply control people. Negativity (fear) feeds negativity. Maintaining a positive outlook breaks the bonds imposed by fear and negativity.

Nuclear Waste Remediation
www.uop.com/products/adsorbents/nuclear-waste-remediation/

[sunrnr]

The hot spot now is Williston, ND. Huge influx of workers into the area. They've created man camps like the good old days. Delivery services like pizza restaurants, etc. can't find drivers because they're all working for oil and oil services companies. A lot of money to be had, but a tough working and living environment.

There have been major advances in methodology and means to sequester radioactive waste elements, especially after Fukushimi as you noted in your link.

The cesium and strontium isotopes are some of the worst since they are readily absorbed into the food chain and water supplies.

It's a disaster that we (the human species) continue to sh**t in our own nests. It will come back to us all very shortly.

cheers to our neighbors to the north, eh?

[sunrnr]

Frank and Kman hang out at SuperFedWatch everyone and a while. It's BiMetals board that he started.

Oh, by the way, I knocked on the door over there and either no one's home or they're ignoring me. Thoughts?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I'm not sure why you haven't been let in, it's not that you're being ignored that is for sure...

I think it's coming home to roost right now. It's a good thing that God gives us the solutions to our short sighted human behavior, because the FUD is unreal sometimes. If there was TONS of radioactive material over Japan still now wouldn't we be seeing a major death issue.. I thought acute radiation poisoning kicked in after like 24 h or a month? It's not very long I thought?

[sunrnr]

Oct 9, 2012 0:29:35 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

I'm not sure why you haven't been let in, it's not that you're being ignored that is for sure...

I think it's coming home to roost right now. It's a good thing that God gives us the solutions to our short sighted human behavior, because the FUD is unreal sometimes. If there was TONS of radioactive material over Japan still now wouldn't we be seeing a major death issue.. I thought acute radiation poisoning kicked in after like 24 h or a month? It's not very long I thought?

A,,

It finally dawned on me to send a pm to Bruce, duh! I'm good now.

Here's a fairly good article that explains bait about effects of radiation exposure online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444772404577589270444059332.html.

High exposures may lead to radiation poisoning, but as far as I can find no one at the Fukushima facility received such a dose (at least that the Japanese will admit to).

As to the rest of the population, some in the nearby area did receive elevated exposure before being evacuated, but again no significant increase in mortality directly related to the radiation has been reported.

This goes to for the hysteria of airborne radiation killing thousands of Americans in the West. Fear mongering again I believe.

America's young lounging on the tanning beds are at far higher risk of developing cancer than from radioactive fall out exposure.

namaste

[Driftr]

Welcome back to the boards sunrnr!
Good luck trying to pin down the Deceiving Envious Cowardly Obnoxious Yahoo.

[sunrnr]

Thanks!

Well, The Decoy is still The Decoy for sure. There must be a place in the scheme of things for him, as he's still here talking in tongues to himself in his empty closet.

I thought it would be fun to try to get and intelligent discourse going, but he's still way to hypersensitive and defensive. Besides, its just not as much fun as it used to be.

I think I'll concede and let him remain the Demigod of all that's bad in the world so he can continue to "enlighten" his followers about all the possible demise of our existence. I'm sure both of them are enthralled by his omnipotent and myopic viewings he posts as "NEWS".

In a perverse sort of way it is entertaining and fits in with the so called journalism nowadays, eh?

namaste

[Virgil Showlion]

Oct 9, 2012 10:04:12 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Welcome back to the boards sunrnr!
Good luck trying to pin down the Deceiving Envious Cowardly Obnoxious Yahoo.

Subtle.

[frankq]

"Good luck trying to pin down the Deceiving Envious Cowardly Obnoxious Yahoo."

Come on, that's pretty good......

[frankq]

"I think I'll concede and let him remain the Demigod of all that's bad in the world so he can continue to "enlighten" his followers about all the possible demise of our existence. I'm sure both of them are enthralled by his omnipotent and myopic viewings he posts as "NEWS"."

Pretty funny as well...

[frankq]

Fair enough Decoy, I'll hold you to your "Enquirer" story. Martial Law by 2013. By the way, that's coming up pretty soon in case you're on the Mayan calender. Here's what you left out next door:

By Shepard Ambellas
theintelhub.com
August 15, 2012

With the recent power grid failure in India and other problems such as the Fukushima Diachi disaster, one can never be too sure when the kickoff to martial law may be.

However, what I do know is that a source of mine in the nuclear power industry was told late last year (by officials) to prepare for just that, as power grids worldwide are expected to fail in 2012 or 2013 according to some reports.

I just KNEW martial law would enter the picture at some point!!

Oh...you mean THIS Shepard Ambellas:


Forced Vaccination for Medical Workers Now a Reality as Soft Kill Programs Ensue

October 8, 2012 by Shepard
Filed under Exclusives & Featured Articles

Shepard Ambellas | “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature” — Anonymously commissioned Georgia Guidestones.

Nice source as usual....

Oh yeah...vaccinations are being used to kill us. Where have we heard this before? Just a thought, wouldn't be cheaper and easier just to let us die of all of the terrible diseases we used to get, instead of protecting us from those, just to give us....uh....something else?

One more thought...up until the early 70's, we were lighting off nukes above ground in the desert here in America like Black Cats on the 4th of July. We were also firing them off in the Pacific. And lets not forget all that underground testing.... And they were many times larger than the bombs that ended WWII. How is it that there is anybody alive west of the Rockies when releases like Fuki and Three Mile Island are giving us all cancer and killing us?( not that I'm making light of those situations) Hey, I'm not even counting all of the testing done by other nations. I'm just trying to figure it out...I mean, is the stuff in domestic reactors some kind of magic radiation? ....

[frankq]

Hey boys(and girls)!! I'm seeing a little spark of the old Decoy!!!! I knew he had it in him! Fun times are-a-coming!!!!!!!