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[jarhead1976]

Not sure how agenda 21 ties into this but I would think the oil rich tar sands on Cree land might have something to do with it.

"The tar sands gigaproject is the largest industrial project on Mother Earth and has been termed ‘a slow industrial genocide’ by First Nations2 communities downstream from operations. Total E&P Canada, a wholly owned subsidiary of Total, France and is one of the largest players in tar sands developments. Currently, Total’s tar sands operations’ produces approximately 27,000 barrels per day. Over the next 10 years, Total expects to reach a production rate of approximately 627,000 barrels per day. Total has put forth applications to expand its capacity through new mines and in situ projects despite calls from First Nations for comprehensive health studies on the effects of existing projects. Several First Nations have launched lawsuits against companies and the government of Alberta regarding existing projects. Currently, Total is named in a lawsuit launched by the Beaver Lake Cree First Nation. Should the lawsuit succeed, regulatory approval for tar sands projects could be substantively affected."

www.ienearth.org/tarsands.html

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I know for a 100% fact it has to do with resources Jar. This is a move towards profit sharing for the bands because the Canadian govt can't afford to keep increasing payments. More evidence that socialism is dying. Now the question is, do the Chiefs share it with the people?

Meanwhile the tar sands companies are pumping billions into tech that will allow them to access the vast resources all throughout Canada's north, and in the USA, without doing the kind of damage that has been done at Fort Mac. All that tech is the result of all that UN "interference" into the operations of these big corporations.

Here is another part of that sustainable living idea as well; looks like we aren't as short on power as we once thought. Long term it's looking like the alarmists lose again.

Reinvented toilet to produce energy, fertilizer
www.thestarphoenix.com/technology/Reinvented+toilet+produce+energy+fertilizer/7153756/story.html

Last week, engineers at Oregon State University announced a breakthrough that could allow municipalities to turn waste water, now a major pollutant and energy drain, into a sustainable source of electricity.

Scientists have known that microbes can produce electricity for decades, but OSU's recent technological advance could ensure the production of electricity is sufficient for commercial use. Their new fuel cells promises to open the door to a future in which waste treatment plants will not only power themselves, but also sell excess electricity, creating a new revenue source.

In microbial fuel cells, bacteria oxidize the organic matter and in the process produce electrons that run from the anode to the cathode within the fuel cell, creating an electrical current. Almost any type of organic waste material can be used, from human and animal waste to straw to the byproducts from the wine, beer or dairy industries.

Currently, in industrial countries, waste water treatment consumes some three per cent of electrical energy. OSU's new technology produces up to 50 times the electricity, per volume, of most other microbial fuel cells. If commercialized successfully, microbial fuel cells could provide many times the energy that is now being used to process waste, with no additional greenhouse emissions and for about the same cost as installing standard waste water treatment. Let's hope so.

Meanwhile, Bill and Melinda Gates are pumping money into the design of a next-gen toilet that could circumvent the whole issue of pollution from human waste at the source. An alternative toilet would be ideal for areas where mass sewage treatment systems don't already exist. Of course the secret will be to create something affordable, taking into account that an at-source system avoids the cost of providing sewer infrastructure and treatment facilities.

Last year, the Gates Foundation launched the Reinvent the Toilet Challenge, a competition aimed at developing a toilet that can turn human waste into fertilizer, energy and usable water.

The California Institute of Technology took the $100,000 US first prize for designing a solar-powered toilet that generates hydrogen and electricity. A bioreactor breaks down the waste into fertilizer to be used for agriculture, and hydrogen, which can be stored in fuel cells as energy. The excess water can be reused to flush the toilet or for irrigation.

[Virgil Showlion]

A few thousand rally in first significant protests against Egypt’s new Islamist president

The protests against the military were a million and a half strong.

And speaking of A21, Frank Q still hasn't commented on my latest posting to the A21 thread re: the latest findings by the Royal Society.

Where you is, Frank?

[jarhead1976]

Good morning Aham, I will be the first to tell you that it is a good thing that the Cree get a piece Of the pie, after all it's theirs. Just was not sure how agenda 21 Fit into that picture. Great read on Microbial fuel cells at OSU .

With the huge amounts of methane being released into the atmosphere, it only makes Sense to harness that energy into Bio gas. It's been used for years in third world country's. It would also slow down global warming. But for some reason since the process is efficient and what I would call a open system why would it not be one of those GREEN projects promoted by our ever so green government.

Now as far as agenda 21 goes and IF memory serves me right Virgil has discussed on more than one occasion population control.

When looking at anything the gates foundation does , I am always a little skeptical of altruism . Even my own. With the gates foundation so concerned with the development of ever changing malaria vaccines , donating millions to see that they are distributed to the country's with the most need. This is truly a blessing they give no doubt. Life , beautiful and brutal as it can be.

Nowhere in any of the research that I have done on the vaccines Produced can I find one study on the fertility rates of those who receive the injections. Will those that receive the injection be able to reproduce? Maybe you could help me out? These vaccines are distributed in the poorest Country's with Some of the highest rates of fertility at present.

[frankq]

What A21 thread? I checked out the Royal Society report. Nothing there except education about planned parenthood as far as I saw. Not such a bad idea. If I'm missing the forced population or genocide part, leave a link.

Where is I? Well, not much other than the same old out here other than from guys like aham so I don't really check in much.

[Virgil Showlion]

www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/26/world-population-resources-paul-ehrlich and related articles.

[Driftr]

Deleted by Virgil. Driftr: repost your market gains without the personal attack. You're better than that.

- Virgil (Mod)

[decoy409]

www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20....es-paul-ehrlich and related articles.

Good link Virgil.

[jarhead1976]

As far as the gates and there investing goes check out the huge purchase of auto nation stock ,,, um just before the bail out. Not sure but I think it was about 135 million dollars at the time

"Gates began purchasing the stock in the first quarter of 2008 at about $15 per share, then continued adding shares as the price went down to about $8 that year"
www.gurufocus.com/news/153819/bill-gates-sells-autonation-an

Updated March 28, 2012
"In December 2008, the three major U.S. auto industry companies -- GM, Chrysler and Ford -- asked the government for a $34 billion bailout to avoid bankruptcy. The Big 3 stated that their demise would trigger 3 million layoffs within a year, plunging the economy further into recession."
useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.htm

Philanthropy at it finest! Coincidence you tell me.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Thanks Q!

Aug 30, 2012 8:31:06 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Deleted by Virgil. Driftr: repost your market gains without the personal attack. You're better than that.

- Virgil (Mod)

Man, wish I would have saw that one.. LOL .. ;D


Jar, hope things are well.

Agenda 21 is also about reducing sovereign states as well apparently. However, the Natives in Canada are receiving more control over land. There are also other places on Earth that are receiving more freedoms and more democratic control over their own countries.

I'm not going to defend what Gates does in his business practices. I'm sure part of the reason that him and Buffet have started this giving pledge is because the feel bad about some of the things they have done over the years. I have no doubt that the Gates foundation is sincere in what they are doing, you have to look at it from a business standpoint. Happy, healthy, and wealthy customers create more profits than poor broke slaves.. Thank JC.

The OSU thing is huge. Talk about changing the argument about power usage and consumption.. Not to mention soil nutrients and food production with the other advancements mentioned as well.

How cool is it that in the future one sewage plant that used power, will power a few plants on it's own.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Aug 28, 2012 23:57:27 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

A few thousand rally in first significant protests against Egypt’s new Islamist president

The protests against the military were a million and a half strong.

And speaking of A21, Frank Q still hasn't commented on my latest posting to the A21 thread re: the latest findings by the Royal Society.

Where you is, Frank?

I see all you can do is just re-post the article about a crazy old man talking about crap that has been spouted since the 70's, which some alarmists have already had to back down on...

On the topic of those uprising.. It looks like the Muslim Brotherhood really has morphed a bit into a party that wants to bring Islam into the 21st century. It also appears to be about democracy rooted in the whole Sunni/Shai kool-aid thing... ;D

Egyptian Leader Stirs Tensions On First Visit To Iran
www.npr.org/2012/08/30/160338594/egyptian-leader-stirs-tensions-on-first-visit-to-iran

Egypt's President Mohammed Morsi caused a diplomatic stir today in Tehran, opening a summit of the Non-Aligned Movement. Morsi denounced the Syrian regime, calling it oppressive and illegitimate. That prompted an angry walk-out by the Syrian delegation. And Morsi's comments cannot have pleased the summit's hosts either. NPR's Leila Fadel reports.

LEILA FADEL, BYLINE: President Mohammed Morsi may have been in the capital of Syria's biggest regional backer, Iran, but that didn't stop him for condemning the government of Bashar al-Assad and urging members of the Non-Aligned Movement to unite behind Syria's opposition.

PRESIDENT MOHAMMED MORSI: (Through Translator) Ladies and gentlemen, our solidarity with the fight of the sons of the beloved Syria against the oppressive regime that has lost its legitimacy is a moral duty, as well as a political and strategic necessity.

FADEL: He didn't stop at dubbing Assad's leadership illegitimate. He then called for a roadmap to a democratic transfer of power and vowed to work to halt the violence in Syria.

MORSI: (Through Translator) Our support will translate into a clear political vision, one that supports the peaceful transition to a democratic rule, that reflects the desires of the Syrian people in freedom, justice and equality. And at the same time, protects Syria from going into civil war and sectarian conflict.

[Virgil Showlion]

It also appears to be about democracy rooted in the whole Sunni/Shai kool-aid thing...

Oh, to see the world in pink as you do.

[Driftr]

Aug 30, 2012 8:31:06 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Deleted by Virgil. Driftr: repost your market gains without the personal attack. You're better than that.

- Virgil (Mod)

If there was a report on that post I would be completely amazed if it came from Frank Q. I have been giving him grief about VZ being better than T for over a year. I was 300% (I think) wrong. The disparaging remark was meant as one between friends when one beats the other badly.

I understand that there are rules, and it's not your job to check with Frank before you delete something that he could have found offensive (if that's what happened). Just hope he saw it and took it the way it was intended.

[decoy409]

'Agenda 21 is also about reducing sovereign states as well apparently. However, the Natives in Canada are receiving more control over land. There are also other places on Earth that are receiving more freedoms and more democratic control over their own countries.'

Not really but it may appear to a few that way with 'closed eyes'.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Aug 31, 2012 9:17:37 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Aug 30, 2012 8:31:06 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Deleted by Virgil. Driftr: repost your market gains without the personal attack. You're better than that.

- Virgil (Mod)

If there was a report on that post I would be completely amazed if it came from Frank Q. I have been giving him grief about VZ being better than T for over a year. I was 300% (I think) wrong. The disparaging remark was meant as one between friends when one beats the other badly.

I understand that there are rules, and it's not your job to check with Frank before you delete something that he could have found offensive (if that's what happened). Just hope he saw it and took it the way it was intended.

Ah I see. A part of Agenda 409. ;D

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Aug 31, 2012 1:07:44 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

It also appears to be about democracy rooted in the whole Sunni/Shai kool-aid thing...

Oh, to see the world in pink as you do.

I figured that would be the best would be able to come back with. How anyone can still think they are right..... Oh well, you have the book of Revelations and Agenda 409 to back you up right?

[jarhead1976]

Aham , I admire your optimism and faith. As to your reply #129 without a doubt we all are blessed by the good grace that JC has sacrificed on our behalf. I read your post on the other thread and rejoice in your faith and love for JC.
I am not here to debate Altruism, just showing the manipulation and INSIGHT some philanthropist seem to have when it comes to investing. Now that's blessed.

In response to Your reply #130
If you would like we could discuss your views and thoughts on the moderation of Islam In the 21st century? I will respect your point of veiw if you respect mine.
Since Islam and sharia law can not be separated.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Hey Jar, sorry I missed this yesterday sir. I still don't get how someone can't love JC, that is one thing that has been constant in my life. Religion not so much, but it will only be a matter of time now before the truth comes out. There is to much historical evidence pointing toward what some of us understand already!

I am not here to debate Altruism, just showing the manipulation and INSIGHT some philanthropist seem to have when it comes to investing. Now that's blessed

I hear ya. My point is that we should all be thankful that there is a way to make money now, finally, with us little guys getting paid.. After who knows how many tens of thousands of years with us as slaves. Dosn't mean we should back down now either though.. Stand up for your rights, just like I feel you always do!

We can debate the Islamification here, or in the Religious area, I will always show a person who put their life on the life for me respect.

[jarhead1976]

Thank you Aham.

As the current situation in Egypt transform into the moderate Islamic country you claim it to be I could not help noticing a few things about that transformation.

AP Sep 5, 2012

"But the heavy infusion of Islamists into government institutions has raised fears of the Muslum Brotherhood domination monopolising power as much as Mubarak did and moving Egypt into a more religious rule.".

In the same article you will find the following....

"The new 27-member council includes at least seven Islamists, including several members of the ultraconservative Salafi movement, which advocates a strict, segregationist interpretation of Islam similar to Saudi Arabia’s.

Many Salafis have voiced opposition to international human rights treaties as “Westernised” standards and to many women’s rights advocates they feel are un-Islamic. They also oppose equal political rights between Muslims and Christians."

www.firstpost.com/world/egypt-govt-appoints-islamists-to-head-state-institutions-443959.html

Just wonder how long the St. Catherine's monks can stand behind the Promise of Muhammad in his patent since " Christians are his citizens" .
www.islamic-study.org/saint_catherine_monastery.htm

Islam is anything but moderate.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I think we better continue this talk in the religious area, I don't want this thread to get moved. The thread we have going on over there is.... For the record, I think some Muslims want to bring Islam into the 21st century... The problem is this.....

Islamification is the Goal of Extremists: Wake UP!
notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=religion&action=display&thread=23309

Oh ya Q, some people were asking about you at FedWatch. Something about some day coming up?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I thought of something today Jar, we can discuss the politics of this a bit here... The reason there is Salafists in the council is because they were elected by the people of Egypt. I'm sure you remember the elections and the reports at that time so I don't need links. I don't doubt that they are going to try and push, however, they NEED money, and Egypt relied very heavy on their tourists. It will be business that brings this together.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

This is why things could very well moderate a bit as well. Everyone wants to eat....

U.S. debt relief plan for Egypt could go to Congress soon
www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/07/us-usa-egypt-debt-idUSBRE8860T220120907?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=986

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Another one just went whipping by. ;D

Here comes the sun: Astonishing 'whip' half a million miles long spotted on solar surface (and scientists say radiation from it is heading for earth)
Radiation from the eruption set to hit earth within hours, creating a 'moderate geomagnetic storm'
Incredible phenomenon could give new insight into how solar eruptions affect electricity supplied on earth
By MARK PRIGG
PUBLISHED: 16:33 GMT, 3 September 2012
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2197675/Here-comes-sun-Astonishing-solar-whip-half-million-miles-long-spotted-solar-surface.html

[frankq]

Aug 31, 2012 9:17:37 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Aug 30, 2012 8:31:06 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Deleted by Virgil. Driftr: repost your market gains without the personal attack. You're better than that.

- Virgil (Mod)

If there was a report on that post I would be completely amazed if it came from Frank Q. I have been giving him grief about VZ being better than T for over a year. I was 300% (I think) wrong. The disparaging remark was meant as one between friends when one beats the other badly.

I understand that there are rules, and it's not your job to check with Frank before you delete something that he could have found offensive (if that's what happened). Just hope he saw it and took it the way it was intended.

Hey Driftr,

I don't know what Virgil's beef was but I didn't see the post and am damn sure it was in fun whatever it was. You can be sure that I didn't report anything, and nobody checked with me about anything. Part of the reason I don't spend much time out here is the pure lunacy and censorship that prevails regarding deleting posts. Spirited discussion is near impossible these days, as is just having a little fun. I think all out here know that it's not my style. Stay cool buddy!

[frankq]

Aug 30, 2012 14:16:37 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

As far as the gates and there investing goes check out the huge purchase of auto nation stock ,,, um just before the bail out. Not sure but I think it was about 135 million dollars at the time

"Gates began purchasing the stock in the first quarter of 2008 at about $15 per share, then continued adding shares as the price went down to about $8 that year"
www.gurufocus.com/news/153819/bill-gates-sells-autonation-an

Updated March 28, 2012
"In December 2008, the three major U.S. auto industry companies -- GM, Chrysler and Ford -- asked the government for a $34 billion bailout to avoid bankruptcy. The Big 3 stated that their demise would trigger 3 million layoffs within a year, plunging the economy further into recession."
useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.htm

Philanthropy at it finest! Coincidence you tell me.

You might want to check this out.......

"In 2006, Mike Jackson, CEO of AutoNation announced[15] that his company would be reducing orders from General Motors, Ford and Chrysler in 2007. Jackson made the statement that the company will instead focus on selling BMW, Mercedes and Lexus vehicles due to anticipation of further market share loss by US automakers resulting in high dealer inventories.[citation needed]

In 2009, AutoNation announced the AutoNation Payment Protection program, promising that the dealership will buy back any car at market value, should the owner lose their job.[citation needed]

In 2011, AutoNation was the first auto retailer in the U.S. to sell a total of 8 Million vehicles"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoNation

So, it appears that Auto Nation had already begun to focus on brands outside of the Big Three, uh, what...2 years before the "bailout", which, by all accounts actually made money for taxpayers? By the way, Ford did not take any money. Hmmm..................You guys really need to do more homework. It helps when you manage your money.

[frankq]

"Oh ya Q, some people were asking about you at FedWatch. Something about some day coming up?"

Yeah Buddy!

[frankq]

By the way, in the spirit of documenting my moves, I went almost 100% cash recently. And I just heard from my buddy at Fedx that at their recent annual employee conference, their CEO was less than enthusiastic about the coming months so I'm pretty comfortable with my decision. They're calling for a significant slowdown and a possible "Obama" effect. Hiring freeze and no transfers. No sense being greedy, and, as I've always said, you never get hurt taking a profit. Just sayin......

[Virgil Showlion]

Part of the reason I don't spend much time out here is the pure lunacy and censorship that prevails regarding deleting posts. Spirited discussion is near impossible these days, as is just having a little fun.

If you guys don't mind them, I have better things to do than delete your comments and log them.

Just don't complain to me when you get your feelings hurt.

[frankq]

Sept 9, 2012 10:55:57 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Part of the reason I don't spend much time out here is the pure lunacy and censorship that prevails regarding deleting posts. Spirited discussion is near impossible these days, as is just having a little fun.

If you guys don't mind them, I have better things to do than delete your comments and log them.

Just don't complain to me when you get your feelings hurt.

Good!! We'll hold you to that! We're big boys (and girls) out here and I'm sure we can handle it between ourselves...

[jarhead1976]

Sept 9, 2012 10:36:57 GMT -5 frankq said:

Aug 30, 2012 14:16:37 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

As far as the gates and there investing goes check out the huge purchase of auto nation stock ,,, um just before the bail out. Not sure but I think it was about 135 million dollars at the time

"Gates began purchasing the stock in the first quarter of 2008 at about $15 per share, then continued adding shares as the price went down to about $8 that year"
www.gurufocus.com/news/153819/bill-gates-sells-autonation-an

Updated March 28, 2012
"In December 2008, the three major U.S. auto industry companies -- GM, Chrysler and Ford -- asked the government for a $34 billion bailout to avoid bankruptcy. The Big 3 stated that their demise would trigger 3 million layoffs within a year, plunging the economy further into recession."
useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.htm

Philanthropy at it finest! Coincidence you tell me.

You might want to check this out.......

"In 2006, Mike Jackson, CEO of AutoNation announced[15] that his company would be reducing orders from General Motors, Ford and Chrysler in 2007. Jackson made the statement that the company will instead focus on selling BMW, Mercedes and Lexus vehicles due to anticipation of further market share loss by US automakers resulting in high dealer inventories.[citation needed]

In 2009, AutoNation announced the AutoNation Payment Protection program, promising that the dealership will buy back any car at market value, should the owner lose their job.[citation needed]

In 2011, AutoNation was the first auto retailer in the U.S. to sell a total of 8 Million vehicles"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoNation

So, it appears that AutoNation had already begun to focus on brands outside of the Big Three, uh, what...2 years before the "bailout", which, by all accounts actually made money for taxpayers? By the way, Ford did not take any money. Hmmm..................You guys really need to do more homework. It helps when you manage your money.

Why would ford need a bail out. They moved production out a long time ago to Mexico Canada and china.

"Ford has slashed its North American work force by nearly half.  Ford has shut down or plans to shut down a dozen U.S. manufacturing facilities.  Today, only about 40 percent of Ford's 178,000 workers are employed in North America, and a lot of those jobs are in Canada and Mexico".

endoftheamericandream.com/archives/ford-motor-company-is-making-record-profits-by-shipping-our-jobs-overseas

With market share of us automakers down 70% of course they going to expand brands to luxury models . Go for the customer with money.

The premise of the argument was that gates made millions off buying autonation all the way down to $8 . While knowing full well the government was going to bail out the us auto industry.

Next post I'll brake down autonation Revenue and compare it to where the bailout money went . In the mean time good to see you frank.