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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 4, 2012 23:38:16 GMT -5
Hey Q. I'll post a few times in the graveyard for one of your threads you crazy . Mostly because I want to say that I'm happy to hear your TRADITIONAL 4th of the July went well! God Blessed America Great point Rovo, sounds like there might be a market for a site(for profit) that is all about truly debunking all this Internet BS... Don't worry about Virg Q, he still doesn't see how this business and politics thing works.. Like how Egypt survives on USD, that's why the new Sunni Egyptian leader threatened to sue the Shi'a Iranians for saying they will work together.. Or how the Sunni Muslims in Syria want the Shi'a Assad out. Or how the Sunni Saudis are lifting their people out of poverty while working with the GCC( Sunni) helping to bring the Iranians into the fold, IF the choose to. Which is making the Shi'a Jihadists VERY nervous because all they do is roam around the desert, so in desperation they are doing things like this.... Mali Islamists Exert Control, Attacking Door to a Mosque www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/world/africa/mali-islamists-exert-control-with-attacks-on-mosques.html This in turn puts pressure BACK onto the new SUNNI Middle East to be MODERATE! Just like Prez Bush said, it's about DEMOCRACY in the Middle east. A nation under God is a nation under god.(Remember how tight The Bush's are with the Arabs? It WAS a huge deal at one point. It's almost like it DOESN'T fit to ANTI-American propaganda mold anymore, hmm....) As for the rest. The end of the world stuff has been spouted by false profits and decoys(no pun intended) since JC was here. People still follow it like lemmings over a cliff. The SOCIALIST propaganda is crumbling for the 2012 crowd though, and eventually it will all just die. The fact is it's always been about breaking away for FREE ENTERPRISE and eventually that truth will shine through like the light that started this all in motion! That Mayan article SUG was talking about... Will the world end in 2012? Newly discovered Mayan text says it’s unlikely www.thebunsenburner.com/news/will-the-world-end-in-2012-newly-discovered-mayan-text-says-its-unlikely/
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 5, 2012 3:49:36 GMT -5
That's your kool-aid? That Sunni Muslims aren't getting along with the Shiites? I envy your optimism, sir. Or perhaps its your somnolence I envy. Care to make some concrete predictions for where Egypt (and the Middle East in general) will be at this time next year? I'll add my own, and we can revisit the issue in a year.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 5, 2012 13:37:27 GMT -5
My Kool-Aid? Virg, the only current argument that is older than the dispute over Muhammad's death is the one the he was seeking justice for. Why do you think Muslims are attacking Mosques where people pray 5 times a day? middleeast.about.com/od/religionsectarianism/a/me070907sunnis.htm So in other words the Sunni's are going to try and run it like the USA and Shi'a want to run it like a Kingdom. However, where they agreed on in the first place was Zionism, right? I like scenarios better, you know that Virg. Since last year when this started in Egypt, when the MILITARY started it all off, it has evolved into all eyes on Iran! So over the next year there will be some kind of action in Syria. Russia is really the only one still opposing it, that's because Putin is so delusional, not only does he think he will keep his throne in Russia, he honestly thinks he will restore the old Soviet Union. The Salafist in Egypt THINK that they are going to go around killing people that don't fit their mold as they have started to do. However, the businessmen will continue to separate from their fathers ways, these are the people in charge, and how does that usually go? It will be the same all across these new democracies. There will be so much in fighting and change over the next 20-30 yrs that uniting together is the LAST thing that will happen. Again, look at the Muslims attacking Mosques. Look at who is leading the reconstruction.. Big Companies and the IMF. China WANTS stability in the Region because their cash has to go to work in China, the PLA in the Middle East by next year? You know they have probably said as much is some of these meetings they have had. An entire nation can be wiped out by engineering a moderate-to-severe collapse via industrial and economic policy. Let it collapse, declare "there's nothing we can do", and wait until war, famine, disease, sectarianism take their toll and cull the population for you. No FEMA camps or black helicopters required. Best of all, nothing to implicate the parties responsible with the resulting catastrophe. The Sunni's in Saudi Arabia have been tight with the Bush's and the USA for YEARS. Everyone knows this yet NOW it's ignored. Yemen is fighting the elk-wads now, Azerbaijan( Shi'a) has ISRAELI military bases all over it. Turkey wants to be an economic powerhouse, badly, and they are now in the battle against Syria. Why I'm I so optimistic? The fact is that we aren't as STUPID as people think we are. YES their is a HUGE problem with Ultra Liberalism and anti-Americanism/anit-Zionism in the West. However, the people in CHARGE have a bit of a different view. That's the kicker here, and the FACT is that we are willing to let their economic and social programs compound IF the new Middle East ISN'T moderate. You can bet Egypt wants to be the leader over Iran. Kenney puts moratorium on skilled labour program www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Kenney+puts+moratorium+skilled+labour+program/6859007/story.html The Urban Military drills, if you didn't catch what I was saying on a different area of this board, are a HUGE sign to the brotherhood. We will just send you some more people if you don't want to co-operate.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 5, 2012 13:46:38 GMT -5
Just for old times sake...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 5, 2012 14:07:36 GMT -5
For Frank (who doesn't believe in financial conspiracies): www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-07-05/biggest-financial-scam-world-historyThe latest LIBOR scandal broke just this week. The above is a good starting point for commentary on it. Take from it what you will. For Ham: I suppose I'm not as buoyed by the historical differences between Sunnis and Shiites as you, Ham. To me, it's a bit like claiming Medieval England under the Church of England wasn't a theocracy because the CoE split away from the "more radical" Catholics centuries earlier. The Muslim Brotherhood is fairly clear in their doctrines, and although I'll admit that they're not "anti-Western" per se, they aren't pro-Western by any stretch of the imagination. My perception of the Middle East is (and has been) that the further down the power chain you go (starting from powerful leaders all the way down to the common worker), the more anti-western sentiment becomes. Any regime change that favours a power shift toward the Egyptian common man is not going to be pro-Western. They'll find alternatives. Economic hostage-taking (which is what you're describing) works for a while, but it is a temporary measure. Two thirds of the banana republics in South America owe their existence to US economic hostage taking that backfired. And that was back when the US was a superpower.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 5, 2012 14:27:02 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be "pro" western. Everyone just has to respect everyone else. That's what international is all about, the MB can't make it on an international stage if the go ultra conservative they know that. I agree that a lot of the ultra conservative mulims attitudes are still rooted in medieval times. Again look at the Mosques.. It will be VERY interesting to see just how anti-western these place stay once the Mid east soft wars start breaking out. There is no more alternatives. Everyone has to pour money into business, cut the size of govt and put money back into basic services (police and fire). The world is connected because of the internet(a US military operation in the first place) and everyone wants FREEDOM(the word). Now they tell us the GOD is real.. Hmmm.. ;D Have a good day Virg...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 5, 2012 14:47:03 GMT -5
You too, Ham.
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Post by kman on Jul 5, 2012 21:37:27 GMT -5
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Post by frankq on Jul 6, 2012 6:17:44 GMT -5
This is fun isn't it?
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Post by frankq on Jul 6, 2012 6:28:18 GMT -5
"For Frank (who doesn't believe in financial conspiracies):"
I never said I didn't believe in conspiracies. Sure they happen in many areas of life. You guys just raise it to a religion. Shit, there are still people out here who are looking for the gunman in the grassy knoll and believe that somehow, our government had managed to sneak hundreds of demolition workers into the World Trade Center to cut through concrete supports, walls, floors, run miles of wiring, and implode the building at the very moment that a separate entity hit it with an airplane, all this under the noses of thousands of people who worked there every day. And people like you who believe that organized worldwide genocide is upon us. Yeah......Ok.....
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Post by frankq on Jul 6, 2012 6:31:37 GMT -5
"Hey Q. I'll post a few times in the graveyard for one of your threads you crazy . Mostly because I want to say that I'm happy to hear your TRADITIONAL 4th of the July went well!"
How the hell are you aham. Yeah, I thought it would be fun. Should have waited until Halloween.....
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 6, 2012 9:08:32 GMT -5
More accurately, "is planned, by some, to be upon us in the 21st century", but yes.
I'm having a hard time understanding why you're so resistant to the notion. You won't even read the supporting materials.
There are plenty of historical precedents. If you believe "nobody is that evil", you're gravely mistaken. If you believe "nothing this big could be kept a secret", you're correct. It isn't a secret.
TPTB don't advertise it on the nightly news. They do talk about it at conferences, in whitepapers, in memoirs, in published treatises, etc., etc.
It's an open conspiracy, which is what Mr. Wells called it. The waters are so muddied by false flags and tin foil and vehement denialists (e.g. you) that details can leak with negligible consequences. The NYT could print a full page article on the subject, and I'd have a harder time getting you believe it was legitimate than I would shoving a camel through the eye of a needle. It's just the way you're wired. You need an "out", and there will always be a halfway plausible out.
I suspect your obsession with Decoy is a major part of your "out". If you can disprove his wild theories, perhaps you can disprove somewhat-associated theories by proxy. It's one of the reasons you invest so much time and effort discrediting ideas that (by your own admission) you consider ridiculous.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 6, 2012 12:20:36 GMT -5
Thank you sir, you just made my day! I guess I should have stayed awake last night... ;D I was always taught that our word is our bond and the only deal that we have is with GOD. I just wonder how some can, after 3-4 years of half truths, still think they have a clue....
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 6, 2012 12:22:48 GMT -5
"Hey Q. I'll post a few times in the graveyard for one of your threads you crazy . Mostly because I want to say that I'm happy to hear your TRADITIONAL 4th of the July went well!" How the hell are you aham. Yeah, I thought it would be fun. Sould have waited until Halloween..... I'm great! Baby number four on the way(due Jan 2013)! Thanks for asking. I'll bet we could keep this thread going until the end of 2012 NP... This will make a good xmas thread... ;D
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Post by texasredneck on Jul 6, 2012 12:39:15 GMT -5
Half truths are better than no truth at all.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 6, 2012 12:46:14 GMT -5
No truth? Just like Q pointed out at the start right? Then I started thinking of all the ominous predictions and trying to remember them all. I mean, there was the infamous famine of...what was it now..2010? Our corn crop was supposed to be history. Food riots and empty shelves in 2011, yeah, I must have been out of town for that one too..I think our entire American food crop was in dire straits. Then FEMA was about to ship us all off to some kind of camp, the dollar was supposed to be worthless by now..oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure we're supposed to be under Martial Law at this point too..And anyone who has been vaccinated should be pushing up daisies at this point. It was a well known fact that pharmacutical companies were actually trying to pare down the world population to 600 million. Is the Southern coast still there? I mean, I see commercials for tourism in the South all the time but I haven't actually been south for quite a while. If anyone knows if the Earth's crust off of Louisiana has actually exploded, let us know.And where, exactly, has Jesse Ventura been? Wasn't gold supposed to hit $3000/oz. by now? And what about that DOW 1000 prediction and the demise of the stock market as we know it? For some reason the quote; "The Blind leading the Blind" comes to mind.... Hmmmm...
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Post by Jaguar on Jul 6, 2012 12:49:38 GMT -5
Congrats Aham on baby # 4.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 6, 2012 13:04:16 GMT -5
Find me one post anywhere where I propose, subscribe to, or endorse any of the aforementioned theories. As for why Decoy believes them, take it up with him. My observation is that they seem to be "post-collapse" theories. They go hand-in-hand and occur simultaneously as a unit. Regarding when they're supposed to happen, has Decoy attached any hard dates to his predictions?
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 6, 2012 14:07:54 GMT -5
Thanks SUG Back at ya.... LOL @ Virg. I don't blame any young person for having a jaded view of the world. As far as I can tell we are literally the same age( Happy 30th earlier this year BTW). A list in no particular order.. Marilyn Manson and Y2k, Dot com bust and 9/11 followed by a war that is still going on. In that time we have had a FEW pandemic scares. SARS, Norwax (sp?), H1n1, and now the 2013 version coming(80% chance). A once in a lifetime housing bust, that is still going on world wide, massive GOVT debts and the Internet and technology age. I'm sure I have missed a handful of riots and other things, but the bottom line is I also agree that there are forces out there that want to commit genocide on us. IT'S NOT OUR OWN GOVT THOUGH! It's our enemies my friend, just think about it logically for one second. What kind of plan would they need when there is the Communist, extreme Islam, terrorist, ect.. out there, all wanting to destroy US and our way of life? You are worried about extreme Islam on one hand, but worried about our govt committing genocide on us on the other Later,
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Post by Jaguar on Jul 6, 2012 14:36:40 GMT -5
It's Norwalk Virus Aham and thanks for the K, Namaste.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 6, 2012 14:46:40 GMT -5
Ham, these people believe that Earth is destined for total ecological collapse if nothing is done to "correct" the problem. As I've said to Frank, they prefer a "gentle genocide". Get people to voluntarily lower their birthrates wherever possible like good global citizens. But for "recalcitrants"—hold-outs like the Arab nations, the African nations, India, South America—it's going to be a lot bloodier. Likewise for religious and ethnic groups who refuse to comply. And as I've also said to Frank, "gentle genocide" need not involve the blatantly obvious. It can be as simple as manipulating economies, fomenting sectarian conflict, impeding research into cures for various diseases, or even selling arms to tyrants who know what to do with them. In Canada, it's mission accomplished. Our native-born population is dying off at a prodigious rate—a generational "half life" of a little under fifty years and falling. Most countries in Europe have birthrates so low that historically no society has ever recovered from them. Entire cultures simply die out. The bottom line is that the "optimum population" per the published mandate is less than a tenth of Earth's current population, and these people do not sit on their hands. They have an agenda and they fully intend to carry it out. The "Big Boys" are unimaginably wealthy, corrupt, and totally convinced they're doing the world a favour. My view remains: yes, it's "gentle genocide", but it's still genocide.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 6, 2012 15:30:23 GMT -5
LOL... Who are "these" people? The Biggest companies on earth are investing in space, not for living, for MINING! They are investing in schools.. XOM, POT, GE, Chevron, ect, ect.. They are investing in better water and toilets in foreign countries.. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, ect, ect.. Bill Clinton in '08 admitted that we blew it with food production, and YES there is a HUGE new farming movement that is going to grow over the next 30 yrs.. WHY? Because ALL the people that GROW the food are saying to the companies I TOLD YOU SO!!! Maybe "these people" are the same ones that the Scorched Earth global warming crowed was crowing about in the 90's. You know the scorched earth global warming "truths" that have been shown to be a HOAX, the original fear monger admitted so(These guys were BIG into the internet conspiracy revelations crap in the mid 90's you know that right?). Peak oil? UMMM NOPE! Still TONS of oil.(These guys were FUNDED big time in the early 2000 on the net with their revelations big business, USA/ZIONIST destroyers crap) Oh ya and there is a million OTHER solutions that all these BIG companies ARE working on.. Cash for Trash. Power from poop, the list goes on. I luv how you talk about a low birth rate, and over population... Since all these other sites have been wrong over the last decade or so and we know the big D's track record. We know where I stand, and what I have put out there in the last going on 3 yrs now.. Why don't you do what you said you would a little while back and layout some kind of timeline from here on out on how your "gentle genocide" is going to play out?
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 6, 2012 15:30:52 GMT -5
Oh ya thanks SUG....
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 6, 2012 15:47:35 GMT -5
In order: 1. What Bill Gates and Warren Buffet investing in toilets has to do with anything...? 2. They are. 3. Birth rate statistics are all right there. Canada's is 1.45 children per couple. The data isn't hard to collect, and the mathematical consequences are grade 8 math. As for overpopulation, you might've heard something about it? Just a few dozen major international conferences a year? 4. Read up on Agenda 21 and look at the timeline for yourself. I'm not going to spoon feed you.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 6, 2012 16:25:06 GMT -5
1. Seriously? The richest people in the world(The Giving Pledge) are increasing the standard of living for people in countries where govt refuse to do so? This is COMPLETELY contradictory to your entire theory.. 2. In what way? 3a. From a high of 8 in 1950!!! Maybe you didn't hear? It's called balance.. Canada in midst of mini baby boom, shows new census figures ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/canada-midst-mini-baby-boom-shows-census-figures-143706693.html 3b. Go have some kids if you don't already! Life is much better when you have someone aside from yourself to worry about. 4a. Seriously? The business model for moving towards a balanced Earth WITH our massive population? The business plan that now has business looking at Cash for trash, poo power, and investing in a better life for people living in poverty? The one that includes lines like this? Protecting and promoting human health conditions This one? www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/ 4b. Spoon feed me? Please, there is so much GARBAGE out there about all this. I want to hear YOUR "big guys" "gentle genocide theory". Your mouth has sure wrote a lot of checks in this thread.. What's the end game in your mind?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 6, 2012 17:04:46 GMT -5
Firstly, Bill Gates is a self-made software magnate and Warren Buffet is a self-made billionaire through investing. Neither is old guard. Neither has any political power. Insofar as I know, neither has any connection to the establishment. Them building toilets in Africa is admirable, but it has nothing to do with our discussion. A "baby bump" taking the birth rate to 1.7. Hint: Anything below 2.1 means a population is dying off exponentially. As in, the first link that pops up when you Google "Agenda 21"? The UN's own summary of the program? And it claims everything is just peachy!? I guess that's that, then. My challenge to Frank was for predictions on a one-year timeframe that we could come back to and verify. What possible profit is it to me to write about the "end game" if I can't revisit the issue in a year and rub your nose in it? No, what I propose is for you and Frank to offer some sunshine and lollipops predictions that we can check on circa July 2013. I'll make some predictions of my own and we'll revisit the issue this time next year. Fair enough?
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Post by decoy409 on Jul 6, 2012 17:40:55 GMT -5
Well Virgil I don't think that will work unless you keep those predictions in check. Deletion is a key as 13,200 and rising at the casino certainly has not continued and that great fall of the metals never transpired as well. As far as that depopulation deal and avid workers we just posted the latest from the old Gates family and their movement. Who are they is asked. Well going back to GE and Tesla and disturbing economic balance in the future,just add GE to the 'they' along with that multi billion dollar nuclear arsenal producers such as TEPCO and the merry band of followers. And when those that would like to dispute that do,why simply ask them what they know about building nuclear reactors on fault lines and the RULES of the game. Mainly the UN's take. We don't spoon feed as well and the POST is for those that want to open their eyes.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 6, 2012 19:08:57 GMT -5
LOL... You have a list do you? This richest and biggest companies and people on Earth or investing in developing economies as well as education at home. That is a fact. Who exactly has more that the richest and most powerful? It has everything to do with this conversation, just that you don't get it is all. Below 1 would be exponentially. For the last 30 years it's hovered around 2 and dipped down in the mid 90's. Right about the time that the tech age really started to take off. But now, it's rising again as people balance out their lives. At 2 kids per parent that is what we call replacement. It's what we call SOURCE material. Again, I have laid out a scenario, which you laughed at, then admitted I knew more about. And YES you have made the accusation that the UN is planning genocide in all of this, so why don't you go ahead and lay out a timeline for us here Virg? I have heard all the American/Zionist plans on other sites, but since you seem to know who it is exactly that is involved in this plot, enlighten me please.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 6, 2012 22:55:43 GMT -5
Wrong on three counts. 1. Any value greater than 2.1 is exponential growth. Any value less than 2.1 is exponential decay. 2. The crude birth rate has been in perpetual decline and is at its lowest value ever. The fertility rate, which is what we're talking about, has been nowhere near 2 in the last 30 years, and has been in decline since then according to Statistics Canada. I have no idea where your theory about the "tech age" in the mid-1990's comes from. 3. 2.1 kids is the replacement rate. Some kids die off before they're able to procreate. A rate of 2.0 would imply that every child born automatically reaches the age of procreation, which isn't true. It's also what we call "the first link that comes up on Google", and "the UN's own article on the subject". Oh look. It's the KKK's (or should I say "Knights Party") website: kkk.bz/"Loving our family!" Isn't that sweet. What a nice group of people they seem to be. I'm sure glad I couldn't be bothered to do anything besides type "KKK" into Google and click the first link that came up. 1. I've already pointed out twice that the UN isn't the organization planning the genocide. You couldn't be bothered to read that, and you likewise won't be bothered to read anything about a timeline. 2. If you have iTunes, I can give you the name of a decent podcast. If you're genuinely interested in the subject (you aren't), I can also give you the titles of several introductory books on the subject. If neither of these suits you, end of discussion. I wish you a good weekend.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 7, 2012 2:24:59 GMT -5
LOL.. WHAT? Exponential growth en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth[/u][/i] to the function's current value[/size][/quote] Proportionality (mathematics) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(mathematics) Sorry since 1970 not 1980, the fertility rate in Canada has hovered around 1.7 aka GROWTH, just not replacement. Get it? Still more, just not explosive. At the dawn of the Internet age (early 90's) it dips to 1.5 and now back to 1.7.. Just Google Canadian fertility rate the first thing that pops up is a great chart to look at. Clearly outlines the dawn of the tech age. The fact is that a lot of the fertility rate issues have to do with ladies entering the work force after the 60's. But that is part of this plan right? Except part of this new higher fertility rate is that women from 30-35 are having more babies than women 20-29 for the first time in history. Good thing people are living longer now. Dude where do you think all of this started? WOW, what a terrible example as well. If the UN didn't have an agenda 21 what would the conspiracies be about? YOU Virg, YOU brought up agenda 21, and YOU are the one laughing at me because "it's the first things that pops up when you Google it"... Since all you do is try and pawn YOUR thoughts off on others and you CONTINUE to skirt around putting your name to anything; I will take that as you have ZERO conviction in what you're talking about. Have a great weekend as well.
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