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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 25, 2011 10:27:14 GMT -5
I'm sick of hearing about "hard working", "struggling" people and "working families".
If you see someone working hard, you're probably looking at a lazy person. You're looking at someone that couldn't be bothered with work when they were younger in school, that chose not to take on any more responsibility than they had to, and/or that never makes hay while the sun is shining and upgraded their skill set, or innovated something while they were being over-paid for a job that came easy to them.
They never plan, they never save, they never consider the future, and now they're "struggling" or they're a "working family" as if their are "non-working" families. It's insulting.\
The problem is that we've lost a word somewhere along the way: diligence. It's the diligent that prosper, but most people would rather not be diligent. Diligent people work smart. They think, they're creative, they're persistent, they plan, they do things right the first time, and in a timely manner. They're efficient, effective, and productive. Quality isn't just a word to them, and everything they do is marked by excellence.
They often appear to not be "working hard" while lazy people often have to work hard because they are not diligent-- and I for one am sick and tired of living in a society that increasingly worships the lazy.
I'm sick of hearing about single moms in particular, but really all people who are out there bleeding because they're trying to chop down trees with rocks instead of chain saws. Hey, if you're stupid and lazy, you're gonna work hard. Deal with it, OR...become diligent. Actually APPLY yourself to something and start working smart. Turn OFF your damn TV, stop reading this post, and get to gettin'.
But whatever you do- STOP whining and complaining to people like me about how hard your life is. It's hard for all of us out here. Some of us simply CHOOSE to make it easier. We have these things called "conscious thoughts", and we use them to predict a future we don't want, and then to create a future we do want and apply ourselves instead to the latter.
Sorry for the rant. I've just spent a little too much time with some losers lately.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 10:37:11 GMT -5
I agree. Most people that I know that would be described as "Hard working" are only working manual labor jobs because they were screw-offs in their youth and made horrible decisions. And the bad decisions didn't just end in their youth, they continued while they were making money.
My neighbor is a great example. She is a paralegal and makes about $60K. Her husband is an HVAC guy that makes $90K. They live in a modest house, but just spend a lot of money on little things. If they got laid off and faced foreclosure, they would be described as a "hard working family". Since I know them, I would more just call them idiots.
It's interesting cause most of my wealth has come from my side-business. And my friends will refer to me as "lazy" because I literally hire people to do anything I can...inside and outside the business. So I'm lazy for creating jobs for others and wealth for myself. And the people working for me are hard-working for livng paycheck to paycheck.
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 25, 2011 10:59:27 GMT -5
Whereas my DH will admit right out that he is lazy (well to me and friends, not to employers) and that is what makes him good at his job. He does everything he can to simplify and streamline the process, to make sure that everything gets done correctly the first time, in the most efficient way possible so that he has less work to do. Of course, he then volunteers to do additional work that he finds more interesting. The problem at his last job was that the CEO would say "You're right, that's a project that needs doing. But I'm going to give it to someone else. Here, you do this busy work that will annoy our customers and not bring any added value." (The business has survived over the years due to genius on the development side - and that includes the CEO who is a brilliant engineer - but dumb luck on the business side. They make products that are simply the best at what they do, so they sell themselves, and have allowed the CEO and his partner to make bad business decision after bad business decision.)
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 25, 2011 11:00:19 GMT -5
This is the result of the feminization of society.
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Post by sue on Jan 25, 2011 11:09:21 GMT -5
"I'm sick of hearing about single moms in particular, but really all people who are out there bleeding because they're trying to chop down trees with rocks instead of chain saws. Hey, if you're stupid and lazy, you're gonna work hard. Deal with it, OR...become diligent."
As a single mom, I'd love to hear how I'm getting thrown in with "stupid and lazy".
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Post by bean29 on Jan 25, 2011 11:23:07 GMT -5
Paul,
I wasn't sure what this thread was going to be about, but yeah, I pretty much agree with what you are saying. I was posting something the other day and I laid out a similar sequence. DH and I went to college, got married, had our family, started a business etc. etc. but some people try to claim that it was "luck".
That sequence is very important. DH also works the hours when his customers are available to stop in his office. That means that his most productive hours are not 9-5 M-F. Those hours from 4-6 or 4-7 weekdays are mighty important. He also works almost every Saturday.
I also can relate to the person saying they consider themselves "lazy" so they figure out the easy way to do things. When I started my current job I could just hear my former boss saying he was lazy so he had used technology to more efficiently do his job. Faced with a task I did not want to do manually, I said to myself "I have to figure out the lazy way to do this" and I did. In my mind lazy doesn't mean sitting in front of the TV and relaxing, it means using technology to gain efficiency.
Know anyone who doesn't use a computer? I do. I can't imagine.
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Post by resolution on Jan 25, 2011 11:24:21 GMT -5
If you see someone working hard, you're probably looking at a lazy person. You're looking at someone that couldn't be bothered with work when they were younger in school, that chose not to take on any more responsibility than they had to, and/or that never makes hay while the sun is shining and upgraded their skill set, or innovated something while they were being over-paid for a job that came easy to themRead more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=finance&action=display&thread=2266#ixzz1C43eJbu4I disagree with this. There are a lot of people that work hard because they value hard work and enjoy what they do. They are not necessarily broke or poor planners, they just have a different value system than you do. For example my husband's cousins work extremely hard on their farm. They also own millions in farm related assets and don't go around saying "poor me, poor me." They simply go about their work and take pride in their crops and livestock. They are college educated with degrees in agriculture. My husband is also college educated but he enjoys carpentry. He works very hard designing beautiful mill-working and furniture to go into people's mansions. When he gets involved in a project he can work crazy hours because he gets caught up in an idea and doesn't want to stop until he sees it. This doesn't mean he is lazy or a poor planner with no assets. It just means he has a different value system. If his company went out of business there would be no news articles about what a hard worker he is, we would just keep paying the bills off of my income while he looked around for something else.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 25, 2011 11:33:40 GMT -5
Kari ,
I don't think Paul's post was aimed at you or the people you describe. Paul is talking about an undereducated working class type person who politicians are saying need our financial assistance.
You are describing a carpenter who does manual labor but is a skilled tradesman. To my understanding society still sees a pretty high value in that and pays those tradesmen well for their skill.
My son's girlfriends father is an example. He worked in a factory as some sort of mechanic. He is in his early 40's I assume. He wrecked his back and is on disability b/c he can no longer do his job. He tells his daughter and my son, all he ever wanted was to be a mechanic. So he is collecting disability and working on cars in his garage.
DH sat our DS down and asked him what was wrong with the scenario. If you can no longer do your job but you can do a different job, you go back to school and learn something else. If you are only in your 40's you better be willing to live a subsistence life or motivate yourself to do more. You are not entitled to have other people support you.
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Post by dancinmama on Jan 25, 2011 11:34:27 GMT -5
Sometimes the word diligent is used synonymously with "hard working". Just sayin' diligent - persistent and hard-working: showing persistent and hard-working effort in doing something Encarta World English Dictionarydiligent - marked by persevering, painstaking effort. See synonyms at busy www.answers.com/topic/diligentdiligence - zealous and careful nature in one's actions and work, exemplified by a decisive work ethic, budgeting of one's time, monitoring one's own activities to guard against laziness, and putting forth full concentration in one's work. Diligence is the act of doing all things efficiently and relentlessly to the best of one's ability in order to achieve success in every endeavor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diligence
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Post by money100 on Jan 25, 2011 11:42:59 GMT -5
DH also works the hours when his customers are available to stop in his office. That means that his most productive hours are not 9-5 M-F. Those hours from 4-6 or 4-7 weekdays are mighty important. He also works almost every Saturday. Big fan, Bear. My friend, H, was on a Maternity Leave contract (we live in Canada; mom/dad gets 1 year off from work with newborn) so when the lady came back to take her job, she was out of work. I figured she would have been looking BEFORE this happened but she was taking a big (expensive) family trip in Dec so she didn't. She came back to no work. She immediately got on the horn with several employment agencies. Then she calls me to complain. "Can you imagine they want me to work evenings and one weekend a month?!" I was thinking, that it totally makes sense because she's working for a dentist and having evenings and weekends available to patients helps out the huge group of people who work 9-5. And the worse of all of this is that there are jobs available that are being offered to her but they don't match her stipulations. "Well, this one's from M-Thurs but it's still the evenings!" I know she's been careful with savings and her expenses can be pretty low because she cooks, etc, but honestly, I'd rather be working. I just like Bear's husband for understanding that the business is there to make it easier to clients first, not to fit into the potential employee's "dream hours."
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Post by money100 on Jan 25, 2011 11:44:52 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant BEAN! Lol!
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Post by resolution on Jan 25, 2011 11:56:48 GMT -5
I do realize that Paul is trying to address the undereducated working class that doesn't save and wants assistance. However the first couple of posts in the thread are lumping them in with all the hard working, heartland of america types.
I think there are two types of workers: the poorly planning type that sort of floats down the path of least resistance and needs help a lot, and the hard working, thrifty people that make up a good portion of the middle class. I think the media is trying to get sympathy for the poorly planning type by trying to portray them as the normal hard working person. And that this thread is portraying the normal hard working person as the poorly planning type.
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Post by swamp on Jan 25, 2011 12:02:09 GMT -5
I do realize that Paul is trying to address the undereducated working class that doesn't save and wants assistance. However the first couple of posts in the thread are lumping them in with all the hard working, heartland of america types. Which is par for the course for Paul. He looks down on those who didn't make the same choices he did, and even if you are self employed, you're still not as good as him because it's not the same business he's in. The world takes all types to work. I think the most important people are plumbers, water treatment plant workers, and farmers, because without them, we'd be up to our eyeballs in shit without clean water or food.
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Post by Taxman10 on Jan 25, 2011 12:14:23 GMT -5
I do realize that Paul is trying to address the undereducated working class that doesn't save and wants assistance. However the first couple of posts in the thread are lumping them in with all the hard working, heartland of america types. Which is par for the course for Paul. He looks down on those who didn't make the same choices he did, and even if you are self employed, you're still not as good as him because it's not the same business he's in. The world takes all types to work. I think the most important people are plumbers, water treatment plant workers, and farmers, because without them, we'd be up to our eyeballs in shit without clean water or food. When did WCP show up here?? I'm glad he's back!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 25, 2011 14:23:51 GMT -5
The diligent often appear lazy-- especially to the genuinely lazy.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 25, 2011 14:28:00 GMT -5
Whereas my DH will admit right out that he is lazy (well to me and friends, not to employers) and that is what makes him good at his job. He does everything he can to simplify and streamline the process, to make sure that everything gets done correctly the first time, in the most efficient way possible so that he has less work to do. Of course, he then volunteers to do additional work that he finds more interesting. The problem at his last job was that the CEO would say "You're right, that's a project that needs doing. But I'm going to give it to someone else. Here, you do this busy work that will annoy our customers and not bring any added value." (The business has survived over the years due to genius on the development side - and that includes the CEO who is a brilliant engineer - but dumb luck on the business side. They make products that are simply the best at what they do, so they sell themselves, and have allowed the CEO and his partner to make bad business decision after bad business decision.) Why doesn't hubby simply start a firm to compete?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 25, 2011 14:33:46 GMT -5
I do realize that Paul is trying to address the undereducated working class that doesn't save and wants assistance. However the first couple of posts in the thread are lumping them in with all the hard working, heartland of america types. Which is par for the course for Paul. He looks down on those who didn't make the same choices he did, and even if you are self employed, you're still not as good as him because it's not the same business he's in. The world takes all types to work. I think the most important people are plumbers, water treatment plant workers, and farmers, because without them, we'd be up to our eyeballs in shit without clean water or food. And I don't live in the static, black and white world you live in, swamp. I think we have too many people doing crap work- we could do with a lot less, but we've subsidized sh** work to the point those doing it can't afford to quit-- Detroit is dealing with the consequences of this kind of thing, and public employee union members are next. If we allowed true market forces to work, there'd be fewer. So, fewer needed is my first point. Second point is that of those that are needed-- it's not axiomatic that it's a lifetime appointment with a pension. Sure, we need these low skilled workers- and many of us (myself included) are or have been low skilled workers doing less than desireable work. We moved on and left a space open for the people coming up behind us. The economy is like a moving puzzle. People can move in and out of different places and there's always someone right behind them. Because we're all at different levels, and we're all moving constantly- there's always someone somewhere aiming to move up, down, or laterally; to go from part time to full time, vice versa, or to change fields altogether. Nobody will die if one sewage treatment plant guy decides to start a business, or buy rental property-- so if you're that guy, you might as well be the one that quits and moves on.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 25, 2011 14:35:25 GMT -5
"I'm sick of hearing about single moms in particular, but really all people who are out there bleeding because they're trying to chop down trees with rocks instead of chain saws. Hey, if you're stupid and lazy, you're gonna work hard. Deal with it, OR...become diligent." As a single mom, I'd love to hear how I'm getting thrown in with "stupid and lazy". If you're not whining about it, I wouldn't call you stupid or lazy. If you're unhappy, and you're placing the blame outside yourself, or you're asking someone who made quality choices to work a good chunk of THEIR day to support YOU in your choices-- then...well, the CoC forbids I complete the sentence.
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Post by swamp on Jan 25, 2011 14:37:19 GMT -5
"And I don't live in the static, black and white world you live in, swamp"
Pot meet kettle.
Lazy people come in all shapes and sizes and professions, and do hard workers, and it's not up to me to judge whether the guy who plows the snow, grows my food, or treats my water is lazy, stupid, or whatever. I appreciate that somebody has to work for the man to make the world go 'round. I also appreciate that you need to keep your skills up to date and be ready for when your job isn't needed anymore.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 25, 2011 14:41:14 GMT -5
If you see someone working hard, you're probably looking at a lazy person. You're looking at someone that couldn't be bothered with work when they were younger in school, that chose not to take on any more responsibility than they had to, and/or that never makes hay while the sun is shining and upgraded their skill set, or innovated something while they were being over-paid for a job that came easy to themRead more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=finance&action=display&thread=2266#ixzz1C43eJbu4I disagree with this. There are a lot of people that work hard because they value hard work and enjoy what they do. They are not necessarily broke or poor planners, they just have a different value system than you do. For example my husband's cousins work extremely hard on their farm. They also own millions in farm related assets and don't go around saying "poor me, poor me." They simply go about their work and take pride in their crops and livestock. They are college educated with degrees in agriculture. My husband is also college educated but he enjoys carpentry. He works very hard designing beautiful mill-working and furniture to go into people's mansions. When he gets involved in a project he can work crazy hours because he gets caught up in an idea and doesn't want to stop until he sees it. This doesn't mean he is lazy or a poor planner with no assets. It just means he has a different value system. If his company went out of business there would be no news articles about what a hard worker he is, we would just keep paying the bills off of my income while he looked around for something else. Different values? My expectation that people support themselves are different values? Gimme a break. If you have the luxury of taking a week to cut down a tree with a rock instead of a chainsaw, and you like it-- because you know, you "value hard work"-- then go for it. But don't ask me to subsidize the choice. Working hard is a luxury. Having a job- for most people- is a luxury. Those with jobs are completely dependent on a company whose owners and managers do not merely "work hard", but who are diligent in business, and who work smart. They are dependent on others who are the same and who employ others like themselves and who buy their products and services. Nobody hires the hardest working plumber in town. They hire the best.
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Post by resolution on Jan 25, 2011 14:47:50 GMT -5
If you see someone working hard, you're probably looking at a lazy person. You're looking at someone that couldn't be bothered with work when they were younger in school, that chose not to take on any more responsibility than they had to, and/or that never makes hay while the sun is shining and upgraded their skill set, or innovated something while they were being over-paid for a job that came easy to themRead more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=finance&action=display&thread=2266#ixzz1C43eJbu4I disagree with this. There are a lot of people that work hard because they value hard work and enjoy what they do. They are not necessarily broke or poor planners, they just have a different value system than you do. For example my husband's cousins work extremely hard on their farm. They also own millions in farm related assets and don't go around saying "poor me, poor me." They simply go about their work and take pride in their crops and livestock. They are college educated with degrees in agriculture. My husband is also college educated but he enjoys carpentry. He works very hard designing beautiful mill-working and furniture to go into people's mansions. When he gets involved in a project he can work crazy hours because he gets caught up in an idea and doesn't want to stop until he sees it. This doesn't mean he is lazy or a poor planner with no assets. It just means he has a different value system. If his company went out of business there would be no news articles about what a hard worker he is, we would just keep paying the bills off of my income while he looked around for something else. Different values? My expectation that people support themselves are different values? Gimme a break. If you have the luxury of taking a week to cut down a tree with a rock instead of a chainsaw, and you like it-- because you know, you "value hard work"-- then go for it. But don't ask me to subsidize the choice. Where was I asking you to support anyone or subsidize any choices?
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 25, 2011 14:58:54 GMT -5
Whereas my DH will admit right out that he is lazy (well to me and friends, not to employers) and that is what makes him good at his job. He does everything he can to simplify and streamline the process, to make sure that everything gets done correctly the first time, in the most efficient way possible so that he has less work to do. Of course, he then volunteers to do additional work that he finds more interesting. The problem at his last job was that the CEO would say "You're right, that's a project that needs doing. But I'm going to give it to someone else. Here, you do this busy work that will annoy our customers and not bring any added value." (The business has survived over the years due to genius on the development side - and that includes the CEO who is a brilliant engineer - but dumb luck on the business side. They make products that are simply the best at what they do, so they sell themselves, and have allowed the CEO and his partner to make bad business decision after bad business decision.) Why doesn't hubby simply start a firm to compete? That would be called patents. Even if hubby were an engineer, which he's not, he couldn't really form a competing company without patent infringement. What we should do is try to save enough money to purchase the patent rights. Both the original partners are up in age and don't have kids of the right age or interests to pass the company on to. But there are private shareholders, so there's no way we could raise enough money to compete with the people who will buy the patents. Product 1 - fuel flow meter is required by FAA regulations for all small aircraft, so someone (probably an aircraft designer) will purchase the relevant patents. The product is otherwise mostly used on luxury yachts, so any other patents will almost certainly be bought by a boat manufacturer. Product 2 - bicycle ergonometer (techincally a seperate company) also won't go anywhere. Its the premier product in its field, but also one of the most expensive. (It could be the least expensive option in a completely different customer base, but the company never figured out how to market to that base.) Its patents will also be bought by a competitor. edited for spelling mistakes and typos
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Post by Opti on Jan 25, 2011 14:59:25 GMT -5
"Nobody hires the hardest working plumber in town. They hire the best."
I don't think this is true. If you look at products in America and how corporations hire its more about perceived value for the money or gasp, the cheapest.
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Post by Tiny on Jan 25, 2011 15:29:19 GMT -5
Lazy and Hard Working Are The Same Thing!
I see this sometimes... the Admin Assistant at work who won't learn (or can't learn) the new upgraded software OR a more effiencent way to do their basic work. They wind up "working" more hours during the week than the Admins that use the technology to their advantage. I'd say both groups of Admins get the same amount of work done - one group just works 10 hours (or more a day) while the other group works 7.5 or 8. Needless to say the 10hour a day group sees the other group as lazy and not doing enough work... The old school Admins are hard working (putting in a lot of hours) - they are too "busy" to learn how to accomplish more in less time OR maybe they are too lazy to do it. Not sure.
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Post by sue on Jan 25, 2011 15:41:11 GMT -5
"If you're not whining about it, I wouldn't call you stupid or lazy. If you're unhappy, and you're placing the blame outside yourself, or you're asking someone who made quality choices to work a good chunk of THEIR day to support YOU in your choices-- then...well, the CoC forbids I complete the sentence."
No, I am thrilled beyond believe that my children's father made the choices he did that made a continued marriage impossible and left me to pick up the pieces by myself. And yes, when I have an off day, I even whine **gasp** Luckily, I don't let your myopic views define who I am... if ignorance is bliss, your life must be extremely blissful... carry on...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 25, 2011 15:55:59 GMT -5
"If you're not whining about it, I wouldn't call you stupid or lazy. If you're unhappy, and you're placing the blame outside yourself, or you're asking someone who made quality choices to work a good chunk of THEIR day to support YOU in your choices-- then...well, the CoC forbids I complete the sentence." No, I am thrilled beyond believe that my children's father made the choices he did that made a continued marriage impossible and left me to pick up the pieces by myself. And yes, when I have an off day, I even whine **gasp** Luckily, I don't let your myopic views define who I am... if ignorance is bliss, your life must be extremely blissful... carry on... By "children's father" I assume he wasn't your husband? Either way, your choices- your consequences. I'm tired of of your choices, MY consequences. That's all I'm saying. Lots of women actually carefully select an actual husband, then carefully choose whether or not, and when to have children and build families in a stable environment. Yes, "sh** happens". Yes, there're are exceptions. But more than half of children being born out of wedlock to single mothers isn't an exception-- it's a rule. It has become a rule because "society" - government programs- have replaced dad. We need to go back to where the consequences for stupidity and/or carelessness are a little more stringent, and serve as a deterrent. In short- we live in a society where the stupid and lazy prosper while the smart and diligent serve them like slaves. Maybe you aren't stupid and lazy, but I bet dollars to donuts you're a product of a society that puts up with it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 25, 2011 15:58:02 GMT -5
"Nobody hires the hardest working plumber in town. They hire the best." I don't think this is true. If you look at products in America and how corporations hire its more about perceived value for the money or gasp, the cheapest. The cheapest is often the result of diligence in business. The Waltons did pretty well forcing efficiencies and giving the consumer the SAME products for less money. They have instructed hundreds (thousands?) of their suppliers in the necessity, and even the "how to" of doing the same.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 25, 2011 16:04:16 GMT -5
"And I don't live in the static, black and white world you live in, swamp" Pot meet kettle. Lazy people come in all shapes and sizes and professions, and do hard workers, and it's not up to me to judge whether the guy who plows the snow, grows my food, or treats my water is lazy, stupid, or whatever. I appreciate that somebody has to work for the man to make the world go 'round. I also appreciate that you need to keep your skills up to date and be ready for when your job isn't needed anymore. It's not up to me to judge, either. I'd rather not even think about it, save for the fact that in my daily life I'm subjected to a barrage of complaints from people who are basically stupid and lazy, and always seem to find excuses for themselves-- as well as excuses for my success. In short, they were "unlucky" and I was "lucky". Mmmmm hmmmm. Yeah, that's it. Because all along the way, the fact that we're both reasonably intelligent, married, same number of kids, and in good health we haven't had basically the same access to opportunity. Give me a freakin' break. I'm " " this close to naming names here; but the fact of the matter is that there's someone I know that is driving me nuts right now with all this "woe is me" stuff when the reality is I'm no different, only my choices were different. For example, he is CHOOSING divorce right now. Yeah, that's always a financial winner. His wife will work it out IF he will. Nobody killed anyone or cheated, he's just "not happy". Surely divorce will solve that. None of his "unhappiness" could be the result of his choosing not to be happy. Happiness IS ALL external, right? We have no role in it.
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Wisconsin Beth
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 25, 2011 16:08:07 GMT -5
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Post by sue on Jan 25, 2011 16:10:04 GMT -5
"By "children's father" I assume he wasn't your husband? Either way, your choices- your consequences. I'm tired of of your choices, MY consequences. That's all I'm saying."
Yes, hence the later phrase of "continued marriage"...
"Either way, your choices- your consequences. I'm tired of of your choices, MY consequences. That's all I'm saying." If your only choices are between "fvcked" and "screwed", does it really matter which one you choose?
"Lots of women actually carefully select an actual husband, then carefully choose whether or not, and when to have children and build families in a stable environment." And sometimes, real life happens...
"We need to go back to where the consequences for stupidity and/or carelessness are a little more stringent, and serve as a deterrent. In short- we live in a society where the stupid and lazy prosper while the smart and diligent serve them like slaves." Since according to your earlier definition, I am one of your stupid and lazy and you apparently see yourself as one of the smart and diligent... I guess that makes you my slave?
"Maybe you aren't stupid and lazy, but I bet dollars to donuts you're a product of a society that puts up with it." Explain what you mean by that.
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