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Post by Value Buy on Feb 28, 2012 16:43:58 GMT -5
Damn, Tennesseer, you got a great memory ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2012 17:02:40 GMT -5
a lot of people think he is finished. but from where i sit, here is what i see: he is leading in Iowa and tied in Michigan. if he wins BOTH, he is in it. If that's what you see from where you see, you might want to think about getting your peepers checked out. my vision hasn't changed in (20) years. Santorum has only been the front runner for a few weeks. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2012 17:03:25 GMT -5
If that's what you see from where you see, you might want to think about getting your peepers checked out. The Iowa primary ended two months ago. Probably a safe bet he didn't mean Iowa. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) correct. i meant Ohio. haste makes waste.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 28, 2012 17:33:30 GMT -5
Damn, Tennesseer, you got a great memory ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) VB-my short term memory is good. PBP posted he was part of Operation Chaos just a few days ago.
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Post by zipity on Feb 28, 2012 17:45:32 GMT -5
one other thing. his head to head polling with Obama is now less than a point away from Romney's. so those that think that Santorum is going to get clocked and Romney is in a dead heat with Obama should think again. they are surprisingly close.
Does anyone honestly think that Santorum could beat Obama in the general election?
IMO, Santorum doesn't have the same appeal to independent voters that Romney does so in a general election my bet would be that Santorum would get votes from social conservatives but strike out with fiscal conservatives and independents. As for Obama's poll numbers, against Santorum I would think that Obama would pick up a lot of independent Romney supporters and get back support from Dems that think Obama has governed from the center instead of the extreme left, that he has given in too many times to the tea party and congressional pubs.
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Post by beenherebefore on Feb 28, 2012 17:50:05 GMT -5
I don't know Zipity but I do know that most republicans/conservatives aren't crazy about any of these candidates.
Some say Romney is too liberal, and think that conservatives will 'sit out' this election. The same thing happened in 2008.
Some say that Santorum, as a social conservative, is their only choice. If that is true, and since more Americans consider themselves conservative, he just may pull it off.
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Post by beenherebefore on Feb 28, 2012 17:52:48 GMT -5
Remember, Mr. O as the sitting President, is considered responsible for current events, including the economy and unemployement, in spite of his claims that it's all Bush's fault. He has also defaulted on campaign promises from 2008.
The only times in recent history where sitting Presidents were not re-elected were due to the economy (Carter) and broken campaign promises (GWH Bush).
So, Mr. O has a very good chance at being voted out in 2012.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2012 17:58:46 GMT -5
... Some say that Santorum, as a social conservative, is their only choice. If that is true, and since more Americans consider themselves conservative, he just may pull it off. While it it true that "more Americans consider themselves conservative," when it comes right down to it, Americans don't really support the conservative stand on issues. This will create a real problem for Santorum.
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Post by beenherebefore on Feb 28, 2012 18:12:10 GMT -5
Maybe Bill, as a fiscal conservative, I have a bit of a problem with all of them, and am not crazy about Santorum's stance on some social issues. I do respect his stance, though.
Most of us are grown up enough to realize there is no such thing as the Perfect Candidate for all Americans, It will come down to how the economic/unemployement situation s like in late October, early November, imo.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2012 18:23:51 GMT -5
one other thing. his head to head polling with Obama is now less than a point away from Romney's. so those that think that Santorum is going to get clocked and Romney is in a dead heat with Obama should think again. they are surprisingly close.
Does anyone honestly think that Santorum could beat Obama in the general election? if Greece goes bankrupt, all bets are off. and that is only one of a hundred examples.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 28, 2012 18:37:52 GMT -5
Maybe Bill, as a fiscal conservative, I have a bit of a problem with all of them, and am not crazy about Santorum's stance on some social issues. I do respect his stance, though. Most of us are grown up enough to realize there is no such thing as the Perfect Candidate for all Americans, It will come down to how the economic/unemployement situation s like in late October, early November, imo. Santorum is not conservative. That ends that conversation.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 28, 2012 18:41:15 GMT -5
one other thing. his head to head polling with Obama is now less than a point away from Romney's. so those that think that Santorum is going to get clocked and Romney is in a dead heat with Obama should think again. they are surprisingly close.
Does anyone honestly think that Santorum could beat Obama in the general election? if Greece goes bankrupt, all bets are off. and that is only one of a hundred examples. Santorum can't beat him unless an act of nature or God happened. Obama only has to have Bernanke print more money to make everything temporarily look better. Yeah, people might get mad at the debt but they will be more prone to side with the good economic news coming from media. Most people are not smart enough to know what the consequences of more debt is down the line, Obama can keep them sedated with more spending and promises.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2012 22:32:20 GMT -5
if Greece goes bankrupt, all bets are off. and that is only one of a hundred examples. Santorum can't beat him unless an act of nature or God happened. Obama only has to have Bernanke print more money to make everything temporarily look better. Yeah, people might get mad at the debt but they will be more prone to side with the good economic news coming from media. Most people are not smart enough to know what the consequences of more debt is down the line, Obama can keep them sedated with more spending and promises. i can think of a lot of scenarios where Santorum would win. but they are not LIKELY.
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Post by usaone on Feb 28, 2012 22:48:24 GMT -5
Remember, Mr. O as the sitting President, is considered responsible for current events, including the economy and unemployement, in spite of his claims that it's all Bush's fault. He has also defaulted on campaign promises from 2008. The only times in recent history where sitting Presidents were not re-elected were due to the economy (Carter) and broken campaign promises (GWH Bush). So, Mr. O has a very good chance at being voted out in 2012. Bush SR also lost because of the economy. And Ross Perot. NOT because he raised taxes.
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Post by Waffle on Feb 29, 2012 8:23:19 GMT -5
I thought conventional wisdom said that Carter lost because of the failed Iran hostage rescue.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 29, 2012 10:43:01 GMT -5
Romney is the front runner again. it is going to be very difficult for Santorum going forward.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 29, 2012 12:17:32 GMT -5
Romney is the front runner again. it is going to be very difficult for Santorum going forward. Romney won AZ, but lost Michigan. Santorum won Michigan. Yeah, yeah- I saw the headlines, too. But the reality is that once again it's a win with a question mark and an asterisk. Romney got the popular vote, but he will leave Michigan with a smaller number of delegates than Santorum. Arizona was another plurality. 52.7% chose "not Romney".
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Post by Don Perignon on Feb 29, 2012 13:13:49 GMT -5
The republicans are demonstratedly a fractious lot... contentiously divided by pettiness, personalities and special interests. Even so, Mitt Romney had a marginal victory in Michigan. Refusal to acknowledge that victory does not alter that victory... but it does illustrate the stubborness of deluded partisans who lack the maturity to accept reality.
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Post by usaone on Feb 29, 2012 13:15:20 GMT -5
Our party is in chaos.
We voted Santorum out of office in the biggest landslide in American history. We are not going to then have him run for President.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 29, 2012 15:36:48 GMT -5
Well, usaone, you may be right that Santorum is not the guy. And I am not under any illusion that Romney is not very likely to be our nominee. But here is what will happen should that be the case: Romney will win the nomination having not closed the deal with Republicans. There will be almost no enthusiasm for him in the general election by the largest part of the base of the GOP voters who have ALL so far voted for candidates other than Romney. As a result, it is highly likely that Romney will lose in the general election to Barrack Obama.
I actually have adjusted my outlook and planning to an Obama second term anyway, because either way- that's what we're going to get if Romney is the nominee. And like a LOT of conservative voters- I'm not going to carry the water for the RINO-du-jour. I'm NOT voting for Romney in ANY election-- primary, or general.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 29, 2012 16:43:55 GMT -5
Romney is the front runner again. it is going to be very difficult for Santorum going forward. Romney won AZ, but lost Michigan. Santorum won Michigan. no he didn't. the headlines are all that matters, Paul. not Michigan's shitty 30 delegates, but how they influence the electorate.
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Post by usaone on Feb 29, 2012 16:57:19 GMT -5
PBP
We have no one to blame but ourselves.
Newt talks about building a moon colony within 10 years when we are 15 Trillion in debt.
Santorum is talking about a speech that JFK gave 50+ years ago and says he wants to thow up after hearing it?!?!
Santorum also talks about his hardcore social feelings...contraception ect.
We are handing the nomination to Obama.
Santorum lost Republican women big time.
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 29, 2012 17:21:26 GMT -5
PBP We have no one to blame but ourselves. Newt talks about building a moon colony within 10 years when we are 15 Trillion in debt. Santorum is talking about a speech that JFK gave 50+ years ago and says he wants to thow up after hearing it?!?! Santorum also talks about his hardcore social feelings...contraception ect. We are handing the nomination to Obama. Santorum lost Republican women big time. ...and we certainly want to thank the republicans....!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 29, 2012 18:06:11 GMT -5
The republicans are demonstratedly a fractious lot... contentiously divided by pettiness, personalities and special interests. Even so, Mitt Romney had a marginal victory in Michigan. Refusal to acknowledge that victory does not alter that victory... but it does illustrate the stubborness of deluded partisans who lack the maturity to accept reality. At best, he tied Samtorum. At worst, he lost by two delegates. In his HOME STATE where his Father was governor in the 60's. To pretend is to call Romney's lackluster performance in Michigan a 'victory'.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 29, 2012 18:18:26 GMT -5
I agree that the delegates are what counts in the primaries. With that said Santorum really didn't win those other states, I bet Ron Paul pull most of the delegates. A delegate is only one person, his vote isn't secured. If I was a delegate and one candidate got the majority of the popular vote in one congressional district, I can still delegate to another candidate. Granted I probably wouldn't have my delegate job much longer after that lol.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 29, 2012 18:29:28 GMT -5
The republicans are demonstratedly a fractious lot... contentiously divided by pettiness, personalities and special interests. Even so, Mitt Romney had a marginal victory in Michigan. Refusal to acknowledge that victory does not alter that victory... but it does illustrate the stubborness of deluded partisans who lack the maturity to accept reality. At best, he tied Samtorum. At worst, he lost by two delegates. In his HOME STATE where his Father was governor in the 60's. To pretend is to call Romney's lackluster performance in Michigan a 'victory'. Paul...SANTORUM LOST. sorry, but he did. the primaries are all about momentum. Santorum lost it. Romney has it. i doubt that anything will change after Super Tuesday, but we shall see. Romney has already picked up 5% in the polls. i bet he runs it another 5%, which would put him at a primary high, and the best total for any candidate just prior to Super Tuesday. with those kind of numbers, he should run the board.
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 29, 2012 21:10:30 GMT -5
As a democrat, I can live with Mitt as president (although I think obama will beat him). Unlike new, Ron and Santorium, he would not bring the USA to disaster.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 29, 2012 22:16:21 GMT -5
As a democrat, I can live with Mitt as president (although I think obama will beat him). Unlike new, Ron and Santorium, he would not bring the USA to disaster. i don't agree with the disaster part. but they would definitely be more "interesting". ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2012 18:45:53 GMT -5
i had to change this today. i figured Romney would get a 5-10% bounce off this Tuesday's primary. i was wrong. he got a 15% bounce:
Rasmussen Reports 2/29 - 2/29 1000 LV 3.0 40 24 16 12 Romney +16
i think, unless something super amazingly dramatic happens by Tuesday, Santorum is finished.
a side note: Santorum is currently polling precisely the same as Romney against Obama in head to head polling = -5%
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