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Post by diamonds on Feb 25, 2012 20:08:34 GMT -5
Isn't there an updated version of that?
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Post by Don Perignon on Feb 25, 2012 20:15:00 GMT -5
The guy Santorum (the "anti-elitist") needs to defeat right now is Mitt Romney, son of the former head of AMC (American Motors Corporation).
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2012 15:41:19 GMT -5
Back to Santorum... I see his sweatervest as being akin to Arafat's keffiyeh. It's a broadly-visible garment by which he can be identifified. It's ironic to me that Santorum decries Obama as being "elitist" for promoting accessibility to college education; Santorum repudiates "the intelligentsia" and academia (i.e., scientists and such)... while wearing the garment I associate with academes (sweatervests). well, it is pretty clear that Santorum is going to get beat in Arizona next Tuesday. what is NOT so clear is whether he will get beat in Michigan. Rasmussen has him down by 6% with 7% of the vote still undecided. if he wins, it is going to be just by a whisker, but the momentum is pretty clearly in Romney's favor, now. Romney has been leading in the last (4) polls, dating back nearly a week. he seems stalled out at +6% in the Rasmussen poll, tho, and i suspect that the Ras poll is overstating his lead, but not by much.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2012 15:42:18 GMT -5
DJ, I agree, DJ. Elvis's "Peace in the Valley" was a masterpiece of natural talent: Yes, magnificent, funny how we agree on something... i think all three of us agree on this. feel the love.
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Post by usaone on Feb 26, 2012 18:19:53 GMT -5
Jan Brewer is no endorsing Mitt.
Looks like he will win Michigan and Arizona.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2012 14:41:12 GMT -5
usa- his numbers are RISING in Michigan. he might win it. he is leading in OHIO, which is another important state.
i would not rule out the possibility that he will win the nomination so soon. the tea party HATES Romney.
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Post by usaone on Feb 27, 2012 14:54:10 GMT -5
I agree. But the Republican higher ups know Santorum has no shot to win the general election.
If Santorum gets the nodd the Wall Street money will fall behind Obama like it did in 2008.
Romney squeeks out a win in Michigan and wins easily in Arazona.
If Mitt had been for the Auto bailout Michigan would have been an easy win.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 27, 2012 15:06:25 GMT -5
I'm wondering how many "operation chaos" Democrats are going to vote for Santorum. Were they factored in on the polls?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2012 15:18:54 GMT -5
I'm wondering how many "operation chaos" Democrats are going to vote for Santorum. Were they factored in on the polls? that operation has never been very effective, particularly in the primaries.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 27, 2012 15:22:30 GMT -5
I agree. But the Republican higher ups know Santorum has no shot to win the general election. If Santorum gets the nodd the Wall Street money will fall behind Obama like it did in 2008. Romney squeeks out a win in Michigan and wins easily in Arazona. If Mitt had been for the Auto bailout Michigan would have been an easy win. that is the most likely scenario. however, the late election swing has favored Santorum in any race in which he was CLOSE. he has done it three times already, so i can't rule it out.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 28, 2012 8:26:02 GMT -5
Back to Santorum... I see his sweatervest as being akin to Arafat's keffiyeh. It's a broadly-visible garment by which he can be identifified. It's ironic to me that Santorum decries Obama as being "elitist" for promoting accessibility to college education; Santorum repudiates "the intelligentsia" and academia (i.e., scientists and such)... while wearing the garment I associate with academes (sweatervests). well, it is pretty clear that Santorum is going to get beat in Arizona next Tuesday. what is NOT so clear is whether he will get beat in Michigan. Rasmussen has him down by 6% with 7% of the vote still undecided. if he wins, it is going to be just by a whisker, but the momentum is pretty clearly in Romney's favor, now. Romney has been leading in the last (4) polls, dating back nearly a week. he seems stalled out at +6% in the Rasmussen poll, tho, and i suspect that the Ras poll is overstating his lead, but not by much. Arizona is today, not next Tuesday. Romney goes two for two today. Michigan will be close. I see a victory of 1% give or take 2/10th of a percent for Mitt.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 28, 2012 8:29:47 GMT -5
I'm wondering how many "operation chaos" Democrats are going to vote for Santorum. Were they factored in on the polls?[/quote that operation has never been very effective, particularly in the primaries. As close as this election is in Michigan, it is very possible for Democrats to actually give Santorum the election. If it happens, so be it, even though, I prefer Romney. Politics at it's best!
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 28, 2012 8:45:02 GMT -5
I agree. But the Republican higher ups know Santorum has no shot to win the general election. If Santorum gets the nodd the Wall Street money will fall behind Obama like it did in 2008. Romney squeeks out a win in Michigan and wins easily in Arazona. If Mitt had been for the Auto bailout Michigan would have been an easy win. Wasn't Santorum against the auto bailout?
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Post by usaone on Feb 28, 2012 8:53:11 GMT -5
Santorum was also against the auto bailouts.
RealClear politics has Romney up by just over 1 point.
What a mess.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2012 12:07:39 GMT -5
I'm wondering how many "operation chaos" Democrats are going to vote for Santorum. Were they factored in on the polls?[/quote that operation has never been very effective, particularly in the primaries. As close as this election is in Michigan, it is very possible for Democrats to actually give Santorum the election. If it happens, so be it, even though, I prefer Romney. Politics at it's best! personally, i find it totally unethical to vote for a candidate that you hope does not win.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2012 13:46:01 GMT -5
i STILL think there is a good chance Santorum will win Michigan. he is currently polling at 37%, which is a very competitive number.
i expect Gingrich to come in last in both contests. he should really pack his bags. it would give Santorum a huge boost if he did.
edit: he is a distant third in Arizona. my bad.
also: Mitt is going to kick Rick's ass in Arizona. but nobody expected otherwise.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 28, 2012 13:49:02 GMT -5
It's ironic to me that Santorum decries Obama as being "elitist" for promoting accessibility to college education; Santorum repudiates "the intelligentsia" and academia (i.e., scientists and such)... while wearing the garment I associate with academes (sweatervests). ----------------------- I'm getting a kick out of watching these candidates lurch from the absurd to the ridiculous.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2012 13:49:48 GMT -5
Santorum was also against the auto bailouts. RealClear politics has Romney up by just over 1 point. What a mess. the last two polls have them each up by 1%. this one is too close to call, folks. it will depend on last minute voters and turnout.
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Post by Don Perignon on Feb 28, 2012 14:25:09 GMT -5
Newt must be praying for "a cold day in hell"...
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 28, 2012 14:28:43 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 28, 2012 14:49:13 GMT -5
Anybody from Michigan? What's the weather like there today? As far as I can tell, weather is good, and not a factor, but I live in Indiana. Only a few more hours to go before we find out whether Mitt has legs, or was kneecapped. Mitt, by a smidgeon tonight, in Michigan. Book it.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 28, 2012 14:51:12 GMT -5
As close as this election is in Michigan, it is very possible for Democrats to actually give Santorum the election. If it happens, so be it, even though, I prefer Romney. Politics at it's best! personally, i find it totally unethical to vote for a candidate that you hope does not win. Well, in this case it would be heathen Democrats doing it, following directions proffered by the Obama machine, who would welcome Santorum as the fall candidate.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 28, 2012 15:05:10 GMT -5
personally, i find it totally unethical to vote for a candidate that you hope does not win. Well, in this case it would be heathen Democrats doing it, following directions proffered by the Obama machine, who would welcome Santorum as the fall candidate. Operation Chaos"In late February 2008, Limbaugh announced "Operation Chaos," a political call to action with the initial plan to have voters of the Republican Party temporarily cross over to vote in the Democratic primary and vote for Hillary Clinton, who at the time was in the midst of losing eleven straight primary contests to Barack Obama. Limbaugh has also cited the open primary process in the early primary states of New Hampshire and South Carolina, which allowed independent voters to cross over into the Republican primaries to choose John McCain over more conservative candidates (such as Fred Thompson), as an inspiration." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_ShowDidn't palmbeachpaul say he participated in Operation Chaos? Why yes he did! So you are a registered Republican, not an "Independent". I registered as a Democrat to participate in Operation Chaos. Doesn't make me a Democrat.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2012 15:25:44 GMT -5
personally, i find it totally unethical to vote for a candidate that you hope does not win. Well, in this case it would be heathen Democrats doing it, following directions proffered by the Obama machine, who would welcome Santorum as the fall candidate. what makes you think i would support unethical Democrats? they are no better than unethical Republicans, ime.
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Post by beenherebefore on Feb 28, 2012 15:43:11 GMT -5
I'm very interested in finding out if Santorum's primary strategy works out for him or not. There are 17 States with open primaries /caucuses.
Dat's a lotta delegates.....
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2012 15:57:00 GMT -5
I'm very interested in finding out if Santorum's primary strategy works out for him or not. There are 17 States with open primaries /caucuses. Dat's a lotta delegates..... a lot of people think he is finished. but from where i sit, here is what i see: he is leading in Ohio and tied in Michigan. if he wins BOTH, he is in it. i really don't get the folks that think he has no chance. he does. one other thing. his head to head polling with Obama is now less than a point away from Romeny's. so those that think that Santorum is going to get clocked and Romney is in a dead heat with Obama should think again. they are surprisingly close. one final thing. Obama's approval numbers are down about 2% as gas prices have gone up 10%. he is now basically at 0% (equal numbers of approval and disapproval). he is not a sure thing. not by any stretch.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 28, 2012 16:03:36 GMT -5
I'm very interested in finding out if Santorum's primary strategy works out for him or not. There are 17 States with open primaries /caucuses. Dat's a lotta delegates..... a lot of people think he is finished. but from where i sit, here is what i see: he is leading in Iowa and tied in Michigan. if he wins BOTH, he is in it. If that's what you see from where you see, you might want to think about getting your peepers checked out. The Iowa primary ended two months ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 16:07:08 GMT -5
a lot of people think he is finished. but from where i sit, here is what i see: he is leading in Iowa and tied in Michigan. if he wins BOTH, he is in it. If that's what you see from where you see, you might want to think about getting your peepers checked out. The Iowa primary ended two months ago. Probably a safe bet he didn't mean Iowa.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 28, 2012 16:25:56 GMT -5
If that's what you see from where you see, you might want to think about getting your peepers checked out. The Iowa primary ended two months ago. Probably a safe bet he didn't mean Iowa. Exactly why he may need a good eye Dr.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2012 16:27:28 GMT -5
...The Iowa primary ended two months ago. always in the details. No Iowa delegates are committed to any candidate. Saturday 21 April 2012: Republican Party District Conventions convene in each congressional district. As the delegates to the Iowa State Republican Convention have already been chosen, the sole business- insofar as the presidential campaign is concerned- of the District Convention is that of instructing the delegates to the Iowa State Republican Convention from the counties making up said congressional district as to the presidential contender most preferred by the delegates in attendance at the District Convention.
There is no formal system governing how the District Convention is to go about indicating its presidential preference to the Iowa State Republican Convention delegates from the counties making up a given congressional district. It is the delegates in attendance at the District Convention alone who decide how best to go about this.
Saturday 16 June 2012: The Iowa State Republican Convention officially convenes. 25 of 28 National Convention delegates are selected.
The delegates to the Iowa State Republican Convention gather: at this time, the delegates to the State Convention from each county making up a given congressional district meet in separate Congressional District Caucuses to choose the state's district delegates to the Republican National Convention.
Each of Iowa's 4 congressional districts are assigned 3 National Convention delegates. Thus, a total of 12 district delegates will be chosen by these Congressional District Caucuses. These 12 delegates to the Republican National Convention will be allocated to the presidential contenders in such a way as determined by each Congressional District Caucus.
The State Convention chooses the remaining 13 at-large of Iowa's delegates (10 base at-large delegates plus 3 bonus delegates) to the Republican National Convention.
There is no formal system of allocating these 13 at-large National Convention delegates to presidential contenders. These delegates will be allocated according to the vote of the Iowa State Convention as a whole.
In addition, 3 party leaders, the National Committeeman, the National Committeewoman, and the chairman of the Iowa's Republican Party, will attend the convention as unpledged delegates by virtue of their position. www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/IA-R
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