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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 22:55:15 GMT -5
I get more annoyed when I see junk food bought at the convenience store than the grocery store. It costs 3 times as much. No bang for the buck.
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Post by cranberry49 on Feb 6, 2012 22:55:23 GMT -5
Well, let the kid have a twinkie, as someone else stated. Ok, I can see that. I can see someone coming home tired from working and needing a break. However, this still does not take away the fact that food can be cooked and stored in the fridge/freezer and fed to the kids later. Please. Stop and realize that the government is just as guilty allowing FS recipients to buy so much junk food, then turn around and bitch that the taxpayers are paying way to much for insurance for the health risks of obesity. Where does it stop? What needs to be done? You mean like addressing food deserts, promoting healthy lifestyles and working with grocery stores to increase the number of stores located in low income neighborhoods? latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/first-lady-michelle-obama-visits-inglewood-to-promote-food-access.htmlWell, the people that I know on FS could care less about these programs. Don't get me wrong, some people on FS really, really, need it and deserve it. But some? Not so much. Sorry, that's just the way I've seen it in my life. Especially when the stamps are used to purchase only junk...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 22:56:27 GMT -5
well what about a junk food % ? Everyone needs a cookie now and then. Percent of what? Total calories? Portion sizes? Dollars spent? Not sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 22:59:34 GMT -5
I get more annoyed when I see junk food bought at the convenience store than the grocery store. It costs 3 times as much. No bang for the buck. www.ers.usda.gov/Data/FoodDesert/fooddesert.htmlZoom in on the poor neighborhoods where you live. See how many grocery stores are available. If you don't have transportation, a convenience store may be your only viable option.
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Post by Don Perignon on Feb 6, 2012 23:00:32 GMT -5
"It's infuriating to see the welfare queens gorging on filet mignon when hardworking, upstanding paragons of virtue are forced to eat rice and beans! Waaah!"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 23:03:05 GMT -5
I get more annoyed when I see junk food bought at the convenience store than the grocery store. It costs 3 times as much. No bang for the buck. www.ers.usda.gov/Data/FoodDesert/fooddesert.htmlZoom in on the poor neighborhoods where you live. See how many grocery stores are available. If you don't have transportation, a convenience store may be your only viable option. I know that may be true in other places but we have 15 cent bus rides that run every 15 mins all over town 6:am until 9:pm so I'm not liking that for a reason here at least.
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Post by cranberry49 on Feb 6, 2012 23:04:34 GMT -5
"It's infuriating to see the welfare queens gorging on filet mignon when hardworking, upstanding paragons of virtue are forced to eat rice and beans! Waaah!" LOL! Personally, I don't care what the FS recipents eat as long as they don't choose to feed their kids damn cakes and pies every day in place of healthy food! I'm telling you, this happens!
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 6, 2012 23:06:38 GMT -5
I shouldn't care either. I guess I'm just pouting and doing the "woe is me" routine. I honestly don't begrudge anyone a slice of happiness even if it's in the form of a snack. I just keeping wondering why I'm getting up every morning and going in to the old grind and don't live as well as those who don't. It's probably poor management on my part.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 23:09:06 GMT -5
"It's infuriating to see the welfare queens gorging on filet mignon when hardworking, upstanding paragons of virtue are forced to eat rice and beans! Waaah!" LOL! Personally, I don't care what the FS recipents eat as long as they don't choose to feed their kids damn cakes and pies every day in place of healthy food! I'm telling you, this happens! Yes it does - in affluent families as well. But no one meddles with them.
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Post by cranberry49 on Feb 6, 2012 23:11:53 GMT -5
Personally, I don't care what the FS recipents eat as long as they don't choose to feed their kids damn cakes and pies every day in place of healthy food! I'm telling you, this happens! Yes it does - in affluent families as well. But no one meddles with them. But, they are paying for it themselves. That is a little different, I think?!
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Post by cranberry49 on Feb 6, 2012 23:33:04 GMT -5
But, they are paying for it themselves. That is a little different, I think?! That is a BIG difference! If I am expected to feed hungry kids, I'll be damn upset if those kids are eating crap, especially when I'm expected to foot the bill for their medical needs when their bodies fail. Yes, I agree. Above, I was being sarcastic. This is the ONLY thing that bothers me about people with kids on FS. They buy so much junk and then feed this to their kids in place of good meals.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Feb 6, 2012 23:49:31 GMT -5
It's about damn time! Soda better be on that list too.
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Post by cranberry49 on Feb 7, 2012 0:04:55 GMT -5
I bet I'm going to catch holy hell over this one, huh? Not from me. I totally understand where you are coming from...
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Post by cranberry49 on Feb 7, 2012 0:06:43 GMT -5
It's about damn time! Soda better be on that list too. I agree! Tea is waaaaaaay better, natural, and full of antioxidants. This is what our ancestors drank (So do I) and it worked out great for them!
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 9:01:39 GMT -5
I like the healthy eating class idea but come on. Are they supposed to make their own ice cream too? They can use the cash they make from selling drugs to buy ice cream.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 9:12:03 GMT -5
People eat crap because crap is cheap. A Mac Donald's Big Mac costs next to nothing with coupons and they are usually buy one, get one. Meanwhile, if you don't brown bag, you can be looking at spending close to ten bucks for a healthy meal. We just did a dinner at the Lodge last Saturday. We cooked for 180 and fed 150+- a handful. Cost of all ingredients was a little under $500. Cost per plate worked out to around $2.77 (prepped) and $3.34 per plate (served) for a meatloaf dinner with cheesy potatoes, broccoli and dinner roll. Deserts were all donated at no cost to us so I didn't include them. Eating a decent meal doesn't have to be expensive.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 9:16:11 GMT -5
Everyone doesn't ring up purchases with a modern register. If someone buys food at a farmer's market set up for a few weeks at a Botanical Garden during the Fall Harvest or if a farmer sells produce out the back of his truck a lot of that recordkeeping goes by the board. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that somebody selling produce out of the back of a truck will be accepting nothing other than cold, hard cash.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 9:24:52 GMT -5
the nanny state is alive and well. Some of us have been telling y'all about the slippery slope of government control for years but nobody wants to listen. We're just getting the government we deserve. If you think restricting food purchases for those shopping on the government's dime are bad, wait 'til we're all stuck shopping for health care on the government's dime. If you take the king's shilling, you do the king's bidding. I can't believe anybody finds this surprising.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 9:39:24 GMT -5
Those who rant the loudest about "Nanny Government intrusion" are exactly the same crowd that wants to complicate use of food assistance with layers of exclusions, mandates and red tape. Go fig. And those that support nanny government intrusion and regulation are exactly the same crowd that whine about it when it bites them in the ass. Go figure.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 9:42:02 GMT -5
You would not be making such remarks if ..... No sense of humor today TT?
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 7, 2012 9:45:22 GMT -5
The government through the W.I.C. program (Women, Infants, Children) have been saying yes to certain foods and no to others for the entirty of the program. It's not really more red tape just an increase in an already used program. Facts are real, what you think, not so much. Lising of allowed and unallowed foos per the Federal WIC program (note the word federal, just like the foodstamp program) www.fns.usda.gov/wic/benefitsandservices/foodpkgregs.htm
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 9:46:30 GMT -5
TT...We are begging these people (mostly women) to work and they don't want to. They call in sick, refuse extra hours, quit over stupid reasons, come in hung over and on and on. There are help wanted signs up in many of our businesses. Our paper this week has 45 help wanted ads. People won't work if they are getting easy money elsewhere. That's the fact I am seeing in MY town!!! We have a woman at the Lodge that has a hubby that lives in NJ but she won't go live up there because it's cold. She lost her job a couple years ago, can't find another one and now lives out of her car. Somehow she always has plenty of money to drink though. Sometimes bad times happen through no fault of your own. Other times, it's all caused by the person looking back at you from the mirror.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 9:55:46 GMT -5
You would be wrong at that Florida. The food stamp program includes use of wooden tokens instead of stamps, cards or cash. I wasn't suggesting they are selling "hot" food from the back of the truck, Yes you did. Post 14. "Everyone doesn't ring up purchases with a modern register. If someone buys food at a farmer's market set up for a few weeks at a Botanical Garden during the Fall Harvest or if a farmer sells produce out the back of his truck a lot of that recordkeeping goes by the board." Don't they usually sell fresh produce at these farmer's markets anyway? Either way, some will abuse it. Most wont. Just like now.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 9:59:32 GMT -5
So far as the cost of a carefully planned meal, that is neither here nor there if we are talking people who are on jobs without refrigerators to cool and store the food, without tables to eat on it and so forth. I'd bet most people receiving food stamps have a refrigerator. Making silly, dramatic exaggerations doesn't help your argument.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 7, 2012 10:02:12 GMT -5
What is the punishment in saying if you want a treat then pay for it using your earned money?
Why is it always a "punishment" for the poor when it comes to thier entitlements and grand reform when it comes to business entitlement?
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Post by workpublic on Feb 7, 2012 10:08:14 GMT -5
imho, this is what the point is:
they don't want the already subsidized to become dull and obese. that will cost society more.
you become dull and obese when you live on junk food and or are raised by ignorant and obese parents.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 7, 2012 10:12:43 GMT -5
When you can't offer jobs, offer circuses. C'mon everyone get outraged @ people on welfare are eating sweets! next thing you know, their houses will have fridges and stuff! Oh nooooooeeeeezz! And remember, when Michelle suggests you eat healthy, she's a fascist, but if the state does it, it's okay! Anybody remember that bill to cut down on corporate welfare? Oh right, when millionaires get more millions they don't need, somehow that's acceptable. Conservatives say they don't hate the poor, but only want regulations and belt tightening on the lower end. Way to show unbias!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 10:14:17 GMT -5
People eat crap because crap is cheap. A Mac Donald's Big Mac costs next to nothing with coupons and they are usually buy one, get one. Meanwhile, if you don't brown bag, you can be looking at spending close to ten bucks for a healthy meal. We just did a dinner at the Lodge last Saturday. We cooked for 180 and fed 150+- a handful. Cost of all ingredients was a little under $500. Cost per plate worked out to around $2.77 (prepped) and $3.34 per plate (served) for a meatloaf dinner with cheesy potatoes, broccoli and dinner roll. Deserts were all donated at no cost to us so I didn't include them. Eating a decent meal doesn't have to be expensive. You get that there were some economies of scale involved, right? You could not cook that same meal for 4 for $2.77 per person. And food stamp benefits are only about $4.50 per person per day. So spending close to $3 for dinner really cuts in to your breakfast and lunch options.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 7, 2012 10:14:48 GMT -5
Florida, you know I will always laugh at myself, but I don't find cruelty or suffering amusing. Nor do I. I guess I just don't consider not being able to buy ice cream with food stamps as 'cruelty and suffering' though. I've been there and done that myself. Believe it or not, I have first hand experience of bad times. I refused get stuck in the trap of government reliance so rather than sitting in some craphole waiting for opportunity to come knocking, I ended up traveling 1,300+ miles to go find it myself. As do I....we've become domesticated and tame. We've lost our drive to succeed. We've become fat and lazy in the cradle of government entitlement programs.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 7, 2012 10:20:21 GMT -5
My point is they don't even have to use the cards. There is a payment system that looks like wooden nickels for buying things at farm stands. Many areas are "food deserts" with a limited supply of quality produce, so what do you do, prohibit buying from small stands during the harvest season in the interests of "healthy eating." Sure you can make rice, beans etc. You also have "working poor" people who are in jobs where they have a half hour to grab something. They have nowhere to refrigerate the food and no facilities to eat it in so they are off to Mc Donalds. Not everyone on food stamps is unemployed with lots of time. Some are working two jobs on no money. When I was a grad student, working and studying 60-80 hours a week, I still made time to cook, not because I enjoyed it, not because I was good at it, but because I couldn't afford to feed myself eating the overpriced junk my welfare neighbors got with their food stamps. And since I was a student, I had no hope in heck of ever getting food stamps, even though I was supporting myself on $9000/year. Had I quit school and took a part time job at Walmart, I would have enjoyed a much higher standard of living due to Uncle Sugar and had about 100 times more leisure time.
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