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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 8:30:17 GMT -5
In the past 4 hours I've been awakened by our 10 yo 3 times tonight. This has been happening all week, but tonight I ran her through a list of questions. She is not a snorer or a grinder. She is complaining of nothing physical or emotional. No bad dreams or stressors that she has revealed. I will take her to a doctor if it continues, but I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas to toss out just in case I overlooked something ( I have even inquired about her bowel movements).
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jan 14, 2011 8:33:54 GMT -5
I assume you asked about her drinking water before bed? Is she drinking pepsi or coke after, say 4 pm? Is it possible she is starting hormonal changes?
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Post by KaraBoo on Jan 14, 2011 8:38:00 GMT -5
That's what I was going to suggest, hormones may be starting to kick in and screwing with her sleep cycle.
I would give it a few more days to see if it stops on it's own. Simply because my 10yr old is also in the beginning stages of hormones and for about a week every couple of months or so she gets NASTY - mean nasty. She's broken her older sister's things, screams at everyone and is a royal PMSing B. She hasn't actually gone into puberty yet, but the signs are there. After a week, she's back to her happy-go-lucky self.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 8:38:57 GMT -5
She (usually) only gets water after a certain hour. Hormonal issues are a possibility, but with no physical complaints I can't peg that as a culprit - interesting thought!
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jan 14, 2011 8:42:37 GMT -5
I would not be a bit surprised if hormones are the culprit.
Just because she says there aren't any stressors, does not mean it is true. Often, even if you are close to your kids, there will be things they won't tell you. Speaking from experience, and finding things out from them now that they are adults.
Caffeine intake something you want to watch too.
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Post by KaraBoo on Jan 14, 2011 8:45:04 GMT -5
My 10yr old has no physical complaints when she's in the middle of her raging melt downs either. She'll be screaming one minute, crying the next and cannot for the life of her explain what's pissed her off. I can definitely see having to take her to the doctor for help (birth control - whatever is needed) with her PMS - if it doesn't get better by the time she actually hits puberty, we'll all be sorry!
Thank GOD her older sister isn't/wasn't like this!! I don't think I can handle two of them acting like Satan's spawn.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jan 14, 2011 8:46:54 GMT -5
NQTY...I had 2 daughters, and thankfully, none of the 3 of us has screaming fit PMS. Two of us simply get excessively fatigued, and the other one would just get mildly cranky.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 8:50:06 GMT -5
Cheesy - so true! I'll definitely be watching for other signs of stress... of course, those will be the same signs as hormones! They are not allowed caffeine so that's a no go.
My biggest concern is sleep apnea, but the onset seems random... no problems at all and then a lot? Still a possibility. We're working on weight loss with her. Her diet is good, but hasn't always been and that's all on me.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 8:52:13 GMT -5
NQ - thanks for the heads up! So far no emotional changes that I have noticed, but definitely not outside the realm of possibility! I just hope we get a quiet PMS
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jan 14, 2011 8:53:38 GMT -5
Loop, I would probably give it another week, and if it still seems to be a problem, definitely see the doctor. In the meantime, possibly keep some sort of log so you are armed with a bit of info when you see the doctor.
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Post by KaraBoo on Jan 14, 2011 8:56:54 GMT -5
The log is a good idea - that way you can objectively look back and see what's happening.
I would also include everything she's eating. If you're working on dieting/better eating habits with her, she may be developing a food sensitivity that she hadn't had before if she's eating differently than before.
Just curious - why do you suspect sleep apnea?
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 8:57:21 GMT -5
I'm on it! I've asked dd to write down everything she feels upon waking. Now that you mention it though I really do need to keep track too! Thanks
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 9:00:23 GMT -5
She's overweight for her age... apnea is often a culprit in that situation, I believe.
Food log! On it, though her diet has not changed in over a year... we're concentrating more on moderation and balance vs a traditional "diet".
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jan 14, 2011 9:01:13 GMT -5
Loop, keep on eye on sugar intake too.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2011 9:08:25 GMT -5
Why does she wake you up? Is she having bad dreams? Is she feeling ill? Or is she just awake?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 14, 2011 9:14:01 GMT -5
Loop, I've suffered from insomnia for most of my life. I can tell you that my insomnia is worse when I eat too many carbs late in the day and am not exercising. Caffeine doesnt' seem to bother me (probably because I have a coffee IV hooked up to me most of the day ) but a sandwhich at 9pm will keep me up half the night. This is something i only recently noticed as I started keeping a log of my really bad nights. I never would have thought carbs would do that to me.... Anyway, no real advice other than to see if you see a pattern with something she is eating and when her sleep disturbances occur. And many sleep vibes to you and your dd.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 14, 2011 9:14:24 GMT -5
Is she sleep walking and finding herself awake in your room? My brother started sleep walking around that age and it continued clear into his teen years, he still sleep walks sometimes. He'd wake up and find himself in the bathroom or the kitchen.
It was pretty alarming for him at first. Took everyone forever to figure out he was sleep walking.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 9:15:57 GMT -5
She's waking me up because she is awake and is afraid of being the only one awake. Misery loves company. No mention of bad dreams after many questions.
I will watch sugar intake, but that is something I keep very restricted.
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Post by KaraBoo on Jan 14, 2011 9:17:46 GMT -5
DH has sleep apnea and is overweight, so I know what you're talking about. However, there are several other signs besides just weight to take into consideration. If you still feel like it's a possibility, definitely have her checked out though. DH fought me on getting tested as he didn't think he had a problem (he had 12 out of 13 symptoms listed on a flyer I had picked up - #13 didn't count as he wasn't going through menopause ). Once tested, he was found to have a mild case and the doctor fought me on putting him on a breathing machine, stating his case was very mild compared to others. I prevailed due to the fact that DH has always slept poorly, even when he weighed less. There is a night and day difference in DH when he's remembers to wear the mask/machine vs. nights he forgets to.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 9:19:20 GMT -5
Carbs are basically sugar, miss t! I'll keep an eye out to make sure she isn't snacking after dinner and try to feed them slightly earlier as well. Drama - I wish it were sleepwalking. I know sleepwalking!
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 9:20:53 GMT -5
Thanks, NQ! I'll check out other signs.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 14, 2011 9:26:01 GMT -5
Carbs are basically sugar, miss t! I'll keep an eye out to make sure she isn't snacking after dinner and try to feed them slightly earlier as well. Drama - I wish it were sleepwalking. I know sleepwalking! LOL, you didn't expect me to read all of the replies before I posted, did you??? it's like you don't even know me
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 9:29:09 GMT -5
Lol! No, I mean you're an idiot for thinking you could get away with eating a sandwich right before bed! It's actually a totally valid point. I'm 95% positive she *isn't* snacking, but that may not be so.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 9:30:23 GMT -5
Looks like apnea almost always includes snoring, which dd does not do. :/
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 14, 2011 9:31:23 GMT -5
Lol! No, I mean you're an idiot for thinking you could get away with eating a sandwich right before bed! It's actually a totally valid point. I'm 95% positive she *isn't* snacking, but that may not be so. LMAO!! Oh, ok...in my defense, I'm supposed to be on a diet and since calories dont' count if no one sees you eat them, I HAD to eat after everyone went to bed....follow the logic?
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 9:34:14 GMT -5
Oh yah. I totally get it! Your diet secrets are safe with me!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jan 14, 2011 9:35:24 GMT -5
Loop, my brothers' girls (one has a 12 year old, and the other has a 13- and and 12-year-old) have been going through this, too. Plus the meltdowns. I'm willing to bet the posters who mentioned hormonal changes are on target. I think both my brothers would have considered locking the girls in the basement, but one lives in the D.C. area, where it's a bit chilly for that. The other is in Florida, and we don't have basements here.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 14, 2011 9:36:08 GMT -5
Oh yah. I totally get it! Your diet secrets are safe with me! *snort*...btw, since I am busting out of my pants, I have had to rethink the validity of my dieting techniques...
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Post by KaraBoo on Jan 14, 2011 9:37:20 GMT -5
Snoring is a big part of sleep apnea, but not the only thing. Have you ever just sat and watched her sleep? Does she ever seem to pause mid-breathing in any way?
That was the biggest sign to me that DH had it. He snores very badly, but would stop snoring mid-snore for several seconds and still look like he's breathing (his chest would still be moving up and down). The nurse that was running the sleep apnea booth where I got my information stated that he was actually not breathing during those time and starving his body of oxygen.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 14, 2011 9:38:51 GMT -5
I *may* have discovered the culprit, but the theory has to be tested. Just noticed as I was getting her up for school that she's wearing a chain necklace that has those ridiculous shape-keeping rubberbands on it to bed. This is a recent wardrobe addition. I suspect it is either choking her just enough to wake her up or possibly pulling on her hair.
Only obvious change to life I currently can find. I've asked her not to wear it to bed so we'll see. Keep ideas coming!
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