hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 12, 2011 18:06:34 GMT -5
Dark. You sound more logical to me, than psycho. And you're just not over emotional. You're probably the type that can act properly in a stressful or dangerous situation because you would be able to stay focused and not get all freaked out and over emotional. And when you worry about Loopy and your girls you can tell that it's sincere and that you don't lack compassion or normal emotion for your loved ones. I don't know for sure, as I'm not a psycho, but do they? I'm guessing they only feel something about how it affects them and not the other way around. I thought the same thing, the example sounds less emotional than sociopath. I think the more apt comparison is whether you'd stop the train at all if given the chance. You can stop the train immediately as you stand from the side and watch. Or you can do nothing and a trainful of people who you don't know will go off the cliff and die. No one will ever know you had this choice to make. A sociopath is ambivalent and therefore choose no action because they simply don't care and no action wins out over action when you are ambivalent.
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Post by The J on Jan 12, 2011 18:09:57 GMT -5
I thought the same thing, the example sounds less emotional than sociopath. I think the more apt comparison is whether you'd stop the train at all if given the chance. You can stop the train immediately as you stand from the side and watch. Or you can do nothing and a trainful of people who you don't know will go off the cliff and die. No one will ever know you had this choice to make. A sociopath says ambivalent and therefore choose no action because they simply don't care an no action wins out over action when you are ambivalent. Or the sociopath would save the train for a selfish reason, like prestige or recognition, as opposed to doing it for the benefit of the people.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 12, 2011 18:12:13 GMT -5
You'd have to take into account any possible reward for diverting the train. Even if you don't care about the people onboard, it might be worth it try and do something if there's something in it for you if you succeed. Now I guess if there was truly no way for anyone to know whether you stopped the train or not, a sociopath might let it go over just to watch it crash or something.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jan 12, 2011 18:12:17 GMT -5
hoops and The J - Very good points!
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 12, 2011 18:13:19 GMT -5
Or the sociopath would save the train for a selfish reason, like prestige or recognition, as opposed to doing it for the benefit of the people. Exactly, that's why I had to be careful in creating the scenario that you don't know anyone aboard the train, and no one will ever know that you had this decision to make. So you would not receive any credit or blame for your choice. Once you add in that you'll receive some benefit to doing one or the other you've delved into motivation at which point even sociopaths can do courageous and seemingly unselfish things born from selfish motives.
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Post by The J on Jan 12, 2011 18:15:03 GMT -5
::It doesn't count if they really are a teast :: ::Well, I could say I was sorry, but you'd know it was a lie so what's the point? :: Both of you can bite me! <<chomp>> Delicious!!
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 12, 2011 18:16:57 GMT -5
Technically, even "good" people do things for a reward - that rush of emotion they get when they do something "good" is just a chemical reaction... drugs to the cerebral cortex. They very well could be sociopaths who are addicted to the sensation of doing "good".
It's pretty much impossible to tell.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 12, 2011 18:25:29 GMT -5
Technically, even "good" people do things for a reward - that rush of emotion they get when they do something "good" is just a chemical reaction... drugs to the cerebral cortex. They very well could be sociopaths who are addicted to the sensation of doing "good". It's pretty much impossible to tell. Would someone who is actually a sociopath get that rush though if they were ambivalent about what happened? If you truly don't care either way, do you see either option as good? Or do you see it as "pick which color pen you want, red or blue" where neither option is "good" they are just options. Does someone you don't know live or die? If you don't care will you get a rush from either decision as being "good"? I would imagine that seeing one decision as good and one as bad is some kind of indication that you do care and are not ambivalent about others. I don't really know, but I can relate to essentially not caring either way. I wish I did care, I just don't. I wish I had that feeling that when someone I knew died, I cared that they were gone...instead I get this super awkwardness when everyone is telling me how sorry they are for my loss and I'm forced into some social dance where they offer condolences and I have to pretend I'm the appropriate level of grief-stricken by the event. I don't view them dying as "bad" and living as "good", they both just "are".
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 12, 2011 18:28:05 GMT -5
Technically, even "good" people do things for a reward - that rush of emotion they get when they do something "good" is just a chemical reaction... drugs to the cerebral cortex. They very well could be sociopaths who are addicted to the sensation of doing "good". It's pretty much impossible to tell. Would someone who is actually a sociopath get that rush though if they were ambivalent about what happened? If you truly don't care either way, do you see either option as good? Or do you see it as "pick which color pen you want, red or blue" where neither option is "good" they are just options. Does someone you don't know live or die? If you don't care will you get a rush from either decision as being "good"? I would imagine that seeing one decision as good and one as bad is some kind of indication that you do care and are not ambivalent about others. I don't really know, but I can relate to essentially not caring either way. I wish I did care, I just don't. I wish I had that feeling that when someone I knew died, I cared that they were gone...instead I get this super awkwardness when everyone is telling me how sorry they are for my loss and I'm forced into some social dance where they offer condolences and I have to pretend I'm the appropriate level of grief-stricken by the event. I don't view them dying as "bad" and living as "good", they both just "are". So you don't even care when someone close to you dies?
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 12, 2011 18:36:51 GMT -5
I don't really know, but I can relate to essentially not caring either way. I wish I did care, I just don't. I wish I had that feeling that when someone I knew died, I cared that they were gone...instead I get this super awkwardness when everyone is telling me how sorry they are for my loss and I'm forced into some social dance where they offer condolences and I have to pretend I'm the appropriate level of grief-stricken by the event. I don't view them dying as "bad" and living as "good", they both just "are". I hear ya. When my Grandma died I had all these people going on and on about how sorry they were for my loss, but, to be totally honest, if anything I was relieved. I don't think that would be true for every person in my life - but for the ones where it really is time? Yah. Not really sorry. As for the reward when doing something "good", it could be the sociopath got some other reward for doing "good" - praise and the like. Then they would do it again and get another reward. Soon enough they would start getting a rush just from the EXPECTATION of a reward. Gambling works the same way. The addiction is to the chemicals released in anticipation of winning... winning itself is actually less of a high. Are these people who do "good" for rewards sociopaths? *shrug* But are they actually good people? I think, when it comes right down to it, we all have sociopathic tendencies.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 12, 2011 18:45:59 GMT -5
Nope, I've changed my mind. I'm totally normal. You guys need like professional help though. For reals!
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jan 12, 2011 18:53:06 GMT -5
<<Pulls Fred's beard out>>
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 12, 2011 19:15:49 GMT -5
Mmm kinky.
<<pinches Fred's nose>>
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 12, 2011 19:21:51 GMT -5
Hmm I don't think Dark ever congratulated me on my cpa test. Aww he doesn't even care enough to lie to me
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 12, 2011 19:24:22 GMT -5
Wait, you're a CPA? Huh...
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 12, 2011 19:27:14 GMT -5
Gotta get the paperwork filled out but yes, I passed. And then I have to take two dumb ethics classes and fill out some more paperwork and I get a MD license.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 12, 2011 19:28:53 GMT -5
Oh see. You're in here busting my chops and you aren't even done yet. You get no congratulations from me until you have the official state piece of paper to hang on your wall.
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Post by The J on Jan 12, 2011 19:29:44 GMT -5
::get a MD license. :: Cool.. so you're gonna be a doctor too? Wanna check my blood pressure?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 12, 2011 19:31:07 GMT -5
Cool.. so you're gonna be a doctor too? Dibs on the first exam! Prostate, simple physical, whatever. We'll make it doctor's choice.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 12, 2011 19:32:31 GMT -5
No, I just play a doctor. I'm getting my West Virginia license when I get my shit together and my Maryland license this summer after I finish the classes. Licenses in two states was totally not my idea, crazy boss.
Touche. I think I had it posted on FB when you were traveling for the holidays.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 12, 2011 19:36:05 GMT -5
I can give you a full physical which includes the prostate exam You can be my second patient.
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Post by piratesparrot on Jan 12, 2011 19:36:53 GMT -5
No, but I definately dated one for a while. It was a wild ride before I decided I had enough of his games.
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Post by The J on Jan 12, 2011 19:36:58 GMT -5
I asked before Dark did.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 12, 2011 19:40:06 GMT -5
What's funny is, for how emotional I am (I will cry over sweet commercials) I had a hard time mustering a tear at my MIL's funeral...of course, I couldn't stand the old bat but tears come so easily to me that it shocked me that I didn't cry. I did cry when I saw how it affected my husband and my children, but I was crying for their pain not because I cared about MIL. Now, she was very sick (scleroderma caused her organs to fail) so part of me hopes it was more relief that she wouldn't suffer anymore...the other part knows that she caused me nothing but grief
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 12, 2011 19:42:38 GMT -5
Dark called dibs.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 12, 2011 19:48:18 GMT -5
I'm soo disappointed in you!
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Post by The J on Jan 12, 2011 19:49:16 GMT -5
I'm soo disappointed in you! Me too!! You should never run out of wine!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 12, 2011 19:49:55 GMT -5
I'm soo disappointed in you! Me too!! You should never run out of wine! Or at least have the 5 year old trained to make a liquor run! Geesh, talk about lazy parenting
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 12, 2011 20:16:55 GMT -5
It's kind of like the Haiti thing. Everyone was so worked up about Haiti. Not me, not in the slightest and i didn't contribute a dime, either. Their govt is corrupt and I knew very little would go to the people and those that did get it, would just piss it away anyway. Kind of like welfare. You don't appreciate anything that is handed to you. That whole island could fall into the ocean for all I care but my DD has a hissy fit about the fact that I don't care so I pretend to to keep the peace. I guess that makes me a sociopath.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 12, 2011 20:25:17 GMT -5
I guess that makes me a sociopath. Or an asshole. You could really go either way with that
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