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Post by Tosh on Oct 31, 2011 11:29:57 GMT -5
In reality most Christians cherry pick the good bits from the bible and discard the barbaric bits, it is not really blind faith, they are using their own moral judgment.
It is a bit of an urban myth.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 11:35:26 GMT -5
Why would you feel sorry for someone that has an inquisitive mind? I see that as a good thing. If people that have "blind faith" in their beliefs and us the bystanders watch all these groups that claim there way is the right way, doesn't it stand to reason that we would and should question such a practice especially considering the times when this tool is used to harm people? Good morning. You can't say that every one who " practices", harms people JA!...Come on now. You're smarter than that. Thats the point exactly, how do us bystanders determine which group practicing blind faith is harmful? It is(I believe) our social obligation to watch out for the weaker minds that are able to be brainwashed into doing things that harm themselves or others. Don't you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 11:36:03 GMT -5
In reality most Christians cherry pick the good bits from the bible and discard the barbaric bits, it is not really blind faith, they are using their own moral judgment. It is a bit of an urban myth. Good day Tosh, I call that Selective Christianity.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 31, 2011 11:39:56 GMT -5
I know religious institutions flog the notion that faith is some kind of badge of honour but in reality it is just a sales and marketing ploy.
It is like a child asking " why " with the famous parental reply " just because ".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 11:43:44 GMT -5
I know religious institutions flog the notion that faith is some kind of badge of honour but in reality it is just a sales and marketing ploy. It is like a child asking " why " with the famous parental reply " just because ". I have always encouraged my children to ask questions. The questions they ask me are often indicators of how intelligent they are, sometimes they make me think and often times I have to do some research before I can answer them. I in turn ask them difficult questions that make them use their powers of reason and deduction. Questions are a good thing. In a world without questions there would be no forward thinking, no movement it would always remain as is and not evolve.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 11:44:23 GMT -5
I know religious institutions flog the notion that faith is some kind of badge of honour but in reality it is just a sales and marketing ploy. It is like a child asking " why " with the famous parental reply " just because ". Tisk tisk...That's your idea of faith Tosh. It's not mine. We all have our opinion on that don't we? As far as the good tidbits in the Bible. Of course we quote those because they are inspirational and uplifting. Nothing wrong with that. Of course there were negative things as well that happened back in those days. The Bible was written so that we would be aware of everything before and after Christ. Nothing at all wrong with quoting the scriptures of God's promises, and/ or His goodness. Faith is not seen. Period. You believe your theory, I'll believe mine. It's all good. Peace. ;D
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Post by Tosh on Oct 31, 2011 11:50:39 GMT -5
If one asks which is more important, morality or rationality, most people pick morality, they are wrong.
Morality is a product of rationality, how can one be good if one does not know what is bad ?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 11:54:30 GMT -5
I do know what's good and what's bad? Do you?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 31, 2011 11:58:15 GMT -5
Good evening FF,
I never suggested it was wrong, I am suggesting it is not a blind process.
Why do you keep suggesting I am saying it is wrong to rationally cherry pick the good bits ?
Firstly there are a lot of immoral practices being promoted in the bible that you reject, secondly some of these are after Christ. Jesus was not perfect, he was a man of his times, he accepted slavery.
This may have sounded good in your head, on paper it is meaningless gobbledygook.
Peace.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 31, 2011 12:00:43 GMT -5
So do the vast majority of humans, most have not read the bible.
I am a human being, it is not rocket science.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:01:10 GMT -5
Good evening FF, I never suggested it was wrong, I am suggesting it is not a blind process. Why do you keep suggesting I am saying it is wrong to rationally cherry pick the good bits ? Firstly there are a lot of immoral practices being promoted in the bible that you reject, secondly some of these are after Christ. Jesus was not perfect, he was a man of his times, he accepted slavery. This may have sounded good in your head, on paper it is meaningless gobbledygook. Peace. Jesus walked without sin. Gobbledygook...That's a good one. Jesus is the only One who walked without sin.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:04:17 GMT -5
So do the vast majority of humans, most have not read the bible. I am a human being, it is not rocket science. I read the Bible...are you judging me by saying that because I read I am not good or that I don't know? Come on Tosh, why don't you just accept there are good people, even Christians. You told me yourself, you thought I was a good woman. Don't say "most of the good ones have not read the Bible"....I have saw many humble, wonderful Christians. My dear Great Grandma who has passed was a firm believer in the word of God and the nicest, most sweet lady I have ever known. Shame on you Tosh. Once again, you're picking the Christians apart, as all being bad. That's not right.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 31, 2011 12:09:39 GMT -5
So the bible says, it also said he walked on water. Go figure.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:11:18 GMT -5
So the bible says, it also said he walked on water. Go figure. And He did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 12:15:22 GMT -5
I don't think anyone has said that Christians are bad.
What I have a hard time with is hearing that people willingly accepting something just because it's written in a book. I, myself, need to have my questions answered to my satisfaction before I will accept something is true.
And before you say it, I am not in need of pity nor do I need to "lighten up" because I have no "blind faith".
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Post by Tosh on Oct 31, 2011 12:17:14 GMT -5
Do you actually read my posts ? Pardon ? What are you babbling on about ? Where are we now, are you lost ? What ? FF......are you feeling unwell ? Nurse !!......Nurse !! I have never said Christians can not be good people, I said you do not need to be a Christian to be good. Please pay attention.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:17:32 GMT -5
I don't think anyone has said that Christians are bad. What I have a hard time with is hearing that people willingly accepting something just because it's written in a book. I, myself, need to have my questions answered to my satisfaction before I will accept something is true. And before you say it, I am not in need of pity nor do I need to "lighten up" because I have no "blind faith". I never asked you to do no such thing. How you feel is your bizness! I am in need of no pity either because I "do" have faith. Nobody's judging you here Beer.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:20:40 GMT -5
Do you actually read my posts ? Pardon ? What are you babbling on about ? Where are we now, are you lost ? What ? FF......are you feeling unwell ? Nurse !!......Nurse !! I have never said Christians can not be good people, I said you do not need to be a Cristian to be good. Please pay attention. I have paid very close attention Tosh. I also pay attention to how when I quote the things you say and I call you on being judgmental, you then go into over drive and start telling me to pay attention and etc. I pay very close attention, and I think you know that. Maybe you should re-read some of your posts, and I am not your student, so don't treat me as if I am one. I respond to your negative comments and you don't like it. Sorry, I feel differently than you but I am not sorry for believing and having faith so get over it.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:24:06 GMT -5
So the bible says, it also said he walked on water. Go figure. So did Peter. Welcome to the Christian ( we are stupid and need to pay attention bash fest, Snerd). God forbid me talk about faith here. Or take up for my beliefs, it doesn't bid Tosh well. Hagd Tosh. You should learn to be a little more open- minded and not try to demean or undermine people who don't believe the way you do. God is love, we walk by faith. That is something you choose to NOT believe, so you are never going to get that "seen" evidence you so desperately want and need. Open your mind, think outside the body, my friend. Quit being hateful to believers. It doesn't look good on you. Later! Peace.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:26:03 GMT -5
As for being "good", i think Paul answered that question quite nicely in the Book of Romans. Don't even speak of the Bible here Snerd. This thread is called" Does God exist?" But as soon as we quote scriptures, we are dumb or blind...LMAO! Too funny. We will see in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 12:28:13 GMT -5
Steve Jobs final words
Steve’s final words, hours earlier, were monosyllables, repeated three times.
Before embarking, he’d looked at his sister Patty, then for a long time at his children, then at his life’s partner, Laurene, and then over their shoulders past them.
Steve’s final words were:
OH WOW. OH WOW. OH WOW.
forgive me, I meant to post this on the other God thread but I will leave it here anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 12:29:27 GMT -5
Steve Jobs final words Steve’s final words, hours earlier, were monosyllables, repeated three times. Before embarking, he’d looked at his sister Patty, then for a long time at his children, then at his life’s partner, Laurene, and then over their shoulders past them. Steve’s final words were: OH WOW. OH WOW. OH WOW. He was surprised they were still using dial-up.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:30:00 GMT -5
Well, i can only speak of my personal faith and why i believe what i believe. What i believe is based on history, the Bible and the person of Jesus Christ. I cannot discuss other faiths because that is not what i subscribe too. I cannot point to the existence of non-existence of God without taking everything in its totality including the Bible. Those who want to dismiss the Bible may do so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 12:34:41 GMT -5
Welcome to the Christian ( we are stupid and need to pay attention bash fest, Snerd). God forbid me talk about faith here. Or take up for my beliefs, it doesn't bid Tosh well. Hagd Tosh. You should learn to be a little more open- minded and not try to demean or undermine people who don't believe the way you do. God is love, we walk by faith. That is something you choose to NOT believe, so you are never going to get that "seen" evidence you so desperately want and need. Open your mind, think outside the body, my friend. Quit being hateful to believers. It doesn't look good on you. Later! Peace. I read the same Bible that you have and I didn't find inspiration in it. There is no hate towards believers, I just don't think the same way as you do. I also have never stormed off in a huff over something someone has said either.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:36:41 GMT -5
Welcome to the Christian ( we are stupid and need to pay attention bash fest, Snerd). God forbid me talk about faith here. Or take up for my beliefs, it doesn't bid Tosh well. Hagd Tosh. You should learn to be a little more open- minded and not try to demean or undermine people who don't believe the way you do. God is love, we walk by faith. That is something you choose to NOT believe, so you are never going to get that "seen" evidence you so desperately want and need. Open your mind, think outside the body, my friend. Quit being hateful to believers. It doesn't look good on you. Later! Peace. I read the same Bible that you have and I didn't find inspiration in it. There is no hate towards believers, I just don't think the same way as you do. I also have never stormed off in a huff over something someone has said either. Who stormed off? I just get tired of the snarky comments. Think what you want Beer, I'm happy dear! Tosh can say snarky things, but I can't? Hmmmm
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Post by Tosh on Oct 31, 2011 12:37:00 GMT -5
Synchronised walking on water.
Oh wow !! ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:37:33 GMT -5
IKR?? Takes a lot more than that to make me storm off! I just said "peace"....Doesn't Tosh say that a lot?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:38:00 GMT -5
Does "storming off in a huff" prove something one way or the other? I must have missed something. Nobody stormed off...just another discreet jab. No biggie.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 31, 2011 12:38:35 GMT -5
Synchronised walking on water. Oh wow !! ;D Pretty damned kewl isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 12:38:57 GMT -5
I think you're reading snark where there is none, however you and Tosh knew each other at the Health Boards so maybe there is something there that I am not seeing?
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